Kugyou no Tenshi posted:

Sarion posted:

1) College Transcripts - The guy is 50 years old, and has been out of college for over 20 years. No employer gives a poo poo about your college transcripts after that amount of time, because you have (presumably) years of experience that is a much better indicator. Now, they can argue Obama doesn't have enough experience, but the voters disagreed. And now he's spent 4 years a President, giving him much more Presidential Experience than anyone else in the race. So who gives a gently caress what grade he got in Calculus I 30+ years ago?

Pfirti86 posted:

I'm pretty immune/neutral to most memes, but I'm starting to really loving hate the Willy Wonka one. Like, I viscerally react every time my eyes look at one. I'm getting to the point where I unconsciously hate Gene Wilder, and that's not a good thing .

Pfirti86 posted:

I'm pretty immune/neutral to most memes, but I'm starting to really loving hate the Willy Wonka one. Like, I viscerally react every time my eyes look at one. I'm getting to the point where I unconsciously hate Gene Wilder, and that's not a good thing .

ratbert90 posted:

It's from the facebook group liberallogic101

Bombadilillo posted:

How is there a conspiracy about him not going there? 1. How'd he get into a higher law school. 2. Wasn't he supposed to have radical leftist connection from school there?

How the gently caress is this lowlife, destined to be a lowly community organizer black guy faking all this stuff 20 years ago. Its x10 more complicated then him just going to drat college, DAMMIT MUSLIMS WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD AT THIS!!!

Alien Arcana posted:

Obama is both A) a nefarious foe of America who is going to destroy everything you know and love; and B) an incompetent nincompoop who can barely tie his own shoes.

prom candy posted:

This is how it was with Bush too, and how it will probably be with every President forever or until America somehow stops being so politically polarized.

prom candy posted:

This is how it was with Bush too, and how it will probably be with every President forever or until America somehow stops being so politically polarized.

Bwee posted:

Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle

DarkHorse posted:

While it's not nearly as rigorous as the actual explanation, this might be more palatable to the FREE MARKET audience: You could maybe mention that the rich person's wealth, assuming they are a captain of industry, was generated by the profit from each transaction their business made. Because it's unlikely their business caters exclusively to billionaires, each such exchange transfers a little wealth from the poor to the (already) rich.

When you cut taxes on the rich, you take money that was originally going to be pushed back to the bottom and instead let it float at the top, where it naturally accumulates anyway.

NatasDog posted:

The meme's actually from a piece of poo poo meme generator thing though. http://memegenerator.net/Willy-Wonka

Empire State posted:

My usual response to Facebook friends who repeat all the alarmist talking points is to disprove the usual "Obama won't salute the flag" post of the day, and reply with something like, "There are a lot of legitimate reasons for disliking Obama, they're just not as fun or outrageous. The people whose intentions I worry about are the ones who make this stuff up to trick other people."

This is really tiring, and I worry that, "There are things I dislike but it is still in our best interests to vote for him," is way too nuanced a sentiment to get through to people who don't understand nuance.

Maybe it's a Texas thing, but I swear my friends get election season mixed up with football season.

Soonmot posted:

Somewhere in the last few pages, someone posted about how the office to get IDs is only open one day a month and you need to call in advance or some crazy stuff.

myron cope posted:

What a sociopath.

People "not willing to work" is the most fuckin annoying thing to come from the right since...ever? Well maybe that's being dramatic.


Someone posted about one open four days a year

Soonmot posted:

Somewhere in the last few pages, someone posted about how the office to get IDs is only open one day a month and you need to call in advance or some crazy stuff.

\/\/\/That was it. Didn't one of those days not even exist?

Dr Christmas posted:

It's even more mean-spirited and dishonest when there aren't enough jobs to go around. I can't believe it's only become more prevalent.

ThePeteEffect posted:

Just ask them why they hate the Constitution so much, with the 24th amendment banning a poll tax. Free-of-cost-at-the-booth voting is enshrined in the motherfucking Constitution.

ThePeteEffect posted:

Just ask them why they hate the Constitution so much, with the 24th amendment banning a poll tax. Free-of-cost-at-the-booth voting is enshrined in the motherfucking Constitution.

myron cope posted:

Yeah but that one wasn't written by ARE FOUNDING FATHERS So it's only partially an amendment. Call it 3/5ths of one.

RagnarokAngel posted:

I imagine much of the right would be totally cool with removing all amendments after the Bill of Rights, citing the 18th Amendment as proof that the government doesn't reflect the will of the people and ergo cannot be trusted with the Amendment process.

XyloJW posted:

Most new voter ID laws have found a work-around, by providing them for "free" if you provide documentation that you're poor. Have fun getting that documentation, you Poor.

My state (MS) just passed a law with that caveat, but it's likely not to pass mandatory DOJ review. Pennsylvania's new voter ID law did this too, and because they're not a former Jim Crow state, the DOJ doesn't have to review their election laws. However, the DOJ has stepped in voluntarily to review that law, because it's a battleground state, and that one lawmaker said that it's designed to favor Republicans because poor people vote Democrat.

PA's ID law specifically requires proof of residence such as a utility bill, which disenfranchises the homeless.

Sarion posted:

Now, if you get into a debate with your Uncle, or someone like that, and they're a little more informed than average; they'll try to bust out a CBO estimate that says tons of jobs will be lost due to Obamacare. Its true that there is a CBO estimate, but they're wrong about what it says. It doesn't say that jobs will be lost. It says that there will be a cut in how much people work. For example, someone who wants to start their own business, but still works a second job for health insurance, will quit that second job to focus on their business. Or other people who work overtime because they need the extra money because their insurance premiums are so expensive will cut back on the number of hours they work. That's what the CBO says will happen: the law will reduce the amount of labor in the market by 0.5% by the end of the decade, because people will choose to stop working jobs/extra hours they don't really want to work. But Republicans take that 0.5% and multiply it by the number of jobs and go "CBO claims Obamacare is killing 800,000 jobs!!!!"

Pfirti86 posted:

I'm pretty immune/neutral to most memes, but I'm starting to really loving hate the Willy Wonka one. Like, I viscerally react every time my eyes look at one. I'm getting to the point where I unconsciously hate Gene Wilder, and that's not a good thing .


There's a conspiracy theory out there that Obama didn't actually go to Columbia ('no one remembers him there!') . Slightly less crazy, there's a rumor that he was registered as a foreign student during his time there, and that his transcript would reflect that ('WARES THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE'). A third group wants to see them because they think it'd 'prove' that he only got into Harvard Law because of affirmative action, which allows them to be all about Obama's academic distinctions.

Bombadilillo posted:

Affirmative action. Tisk tisk, everyone knows your supposed to get into Harvard by daddy donating a large sum of money.


How is there a conspiracy about him not going there? 1. How'd he get into a higher law school. 2. Wasn't he supposed to have radical leftist connection from school there?

How the gently caress is this lowlife, destined to be a lowly community organizer black guy faking all this stuff 20 years ago. Its x10 more complicated then him just going to drat college, DAMMIT MUSLIMS WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD AT THIS!!!

MasterControl posted:

This thread is huge and my apologies if this has been discussed before but can I mention friends and family members liking pages on facebook with crazy political rhetoric.Two people I know liked this page so I went to it.

https://www.facebook.com/ForAmerica?ref=stream

If you don't want to go to it and see which friends of yours like it I'll explain. It's essentially an entire facebook feed of FW:FW:FW:FW LIE-BRALS WANT TO TAKE YOUR CHILDREN. I'm at the point that if you like this stuff then I just don't know how I can continue to speak to you. It's just so crazy to me. Like the belief that fox news is this small bastion of tv viewers dominated by the liberal. Neilson ratings (with it's own flaws) shows fox larger than CNN and NBC combined!

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/08/15/cable-news-ratings-for-tuesday-august-14-2012/144962/

Also what the hell is up with this papa johns stuff and them saying yeah we'll pass it onto you and people taking THEIR side. How is that logical? I don't get it. help me understand or cope fellow goons.

The Macaroni posted:

Hey, I finally have one of these. Somebody on Facebook asked what was wrong with requiring photo ID to vote. His wife also got in on it. Don't have a paint program to obscure names so I'll just do text:

Me: The problem is that it's a pain to get a state-issued ID if you're old, broke, don't have a car, live in the middle of nowhere and/or can't get to a DMV during business hours. I've got no problem with requiring some form of ID (utility bill, birth cert, social security card, etc) but government issued photo ID can be tough for very old and very young folks to get in some places.

Guy: If you can't make it to the DMV because you are old and broke, how will you get to a voting booth?

Me: Voting booths are usually closer than the DMV. Also Volunteers from whichever political party. Whether Democrat or Republican, if you call up your favorite candidate and say, "Hey, I want to vote for you but I'll have trouble getting to the polls," they'd better be willing to help. But I don't know if any campaign has the resources to take folks on multiple trips for ID gathering AND voting.

Guy's Wife: Yes, and I suppose it's difficult to find a job when you're all those things too, so I guess it's only right to make it easier for them by providing financial support from the government (the taxpayers don't support them... the taxpayers don't do anything... the government does it, you know, like building roads). You don't want to make it too difficult for people to do anything... that would be cruel and unusual punishment, because the fact that you breath makes you entitled to everything everyone else has, even if you aren't willing to work for it. You may think I have gone off on a tangent, but IT'S THE SAME MENTALITY!!

Me: Hey, didn't say anything about all that. I live in a rural county full of conservative farmers who vote differently than I do, but I don't want any of them to miss on voting because their truck is broken or something.

Guy's Wife: If their truck is broken they can't get there anyway. It's called self-reliance and personal responsibility. Being prepared is the key here. If people are not able to, in a four year time span, save the money for a state ID (In most states it's free or under $15; less if you're a senior) then I suppose those same people require help pulling down their pants before they take a dump! C'mon, I'm sure they don't even care, it's the socialist politicians who are just looking for more votes from people already being supported by the government (hmm... I wonder who they're going to vote for?) It's just a ploy to get more votes. Politicians could care less about what is good for them, they're only in it for themselves and will say and do anything to stay exactly where they are. Republican/Democrat... they're all tainted politicians!!

***

Wow, seriously? She's an active Mormon, and I'm tempted to ask, "So hey, if someone in your area dies and the women's auxiliary leader asks you to help the family out by cooking a meal for them while they get the funeral arrangements together, do you say, 'gently caress you, you should have enough food in your pantry. It's called self-reliance and personal responsibility. Being prepared is the key here.'?"

Edit: And yes, I'm white knighting for democracy and everything, but you can sure as gently caress bet I'd rather see my candidates/issues lose than see them win because the people who opposed them wanted to vote but were disenfranchised by stupid poo poo.

1stGear posted:

Another point to bring up in Voter ID discussions is that the voter fraud Voter ID laws are supposed to prevent is incredibly rare. A quick Google on "instances of voter fraud in the United States" brought this up if they demand a source. This is even better because it mentions that 10-11% of Americans don't have the type of ID typically required by ID laws.

Bruce Leroy posted:

The common replies I've seen to this argument range from "it happens, we just don't catch it because they're sneaky/helped by the liberal establishment like ACORN and the Chicago Machine," to "the Democrats just want you to think that so they can get more illegals to vote for them," to "so then I guess we don't need laws against ________ <insert horrible crime du jour>," to "if they're doing nothing wrong and are responsible it shouldn't be a problem."

It doesn't matter that in-person voter fraud rarely happens or that it's transparently obvious that voter ID laws are intended to disenfranchise Democratic voters, these people have convinced themselves that it's a terrible, endemic injustice that needs to be stopped.

Bruce Leroy posted:

I thought I was informed on the issue but I wasn't aware of this part. Very interesting, though I'm having trouble understanding how that labor reduction is a bad thing. Isn't it good that somebody doesn't have to work a lovely second job just to afford healthcare or that someone doesn't have to divert attention from their new business, education, new career, passion, etc. just to have healthcare?

XyloJW posted:

and that one lawmaker said that it's designed to favor Republicans because poor people vote Democrat.

1stGear posted:

Another point to bring up in Voter ID discussions is that the voter fraud Voter ID laws are supposed to prevent is incredibly rare. A quick Google on "instances of voter fraud in the United States" brought this up if they demand a source. This is even better because it mentions that 10-11% of Americans don't have the type of ID typically required by ID laws.

Sarion posted:

I wondered about that too. Assuming he had clients, would disclosing their names be illegal? Or just unethical, without their consent or something? Cause its not unheard of to hear, "so and so is being represented by <law firm>"; so sometimes its public knowledge.

Kim Jong III posted:

Yeah, I tried this line of argument with my dad. His response: "Do you really think officials in CHICAGO or Palm Beach County is going to investigate voting fraud? Besides, any voting fraud is too much voting fraud."

Tribalism!

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Yes, merely revealing that someone is your client, without their permission, can constitute an ethical violation of confidentiality.

They're asking Obama to commit an ethics violation.

Kugyou no Tenshi posted:

In regards to the "Obama's sealed records" thing, there was an article in that same post that explains a lot of the claims and exactly why they're either false or misleading, including the "client list" one. Specifically, that Obama did disclose everything he had to when he was in the Illinois State Senate.

1stGear posted:

Another point to bring up in Voter ID discussions is that the voter fraud Voter ID laws are supposed to prevent is incredibly rare. A quick Google on "instances of voter fraud in the United States" brought this up if they demand a source. This is even better because it mentions that 10-11% of Americans don't have the type of ID typically required by ID laws.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

When conservatives hear the statistics about how many people lack ID, they get incredulous. "How can they get a job without a photo ID?"

I don't know, I never had to show my photo ID to get a job? Maybe I forgot having to show my photo ID when I got my current job, but I really, really don't think that's the case.

Also, assuming that everyone who doesn't have an ID has a job. Cute.

Guilty Spork posted:

The conservatives who are in favor of voter ID laws seem willing to make pretty much any excuse to justify them, and seem perfectly happy with disenfranchising fellow citizens. No amount of explaining the realities of who has IDs and how burdensome it can be for some people to get one has any effect at all. It's kind of amazing.