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Miles O'Brian posted:Cultists are a let down What is this, opposite day?
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Aug 17, 2012 21:51
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Let's just compromise and say they're both awesome, because they are.
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Aug 17, 2012 21:52
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Nothing in the WD about the Chaos codex. Last page is just a Dark Angel 
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Aug 17, 2012 21:55
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As nice as the models are, I don't think it is a great starter set. The models are super detailed and will be intimidating for new painters. The marines all have DA iconography on them so can't easily be used for other chapters. The good thing about AoBR and BfM was that they contained big piles of boys and bugs which people lapped up to be the cores of their armies. I don't know how keen chaos players will be on piles of cultists and I don't know how keen non-DA marine players will be on using those models. I think I'll just try and pick up the mini book on ebay or something but I think that's going to be hard because I don't feel people will be breaking up boxes in the same way they did when black reach came out. Cataphract fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Aug 17, 2012 |
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Aug 17, 2012 21:57
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The DA models don't seem too ornate; I mean they're still dressed up, but newer painters will probably gravitate towards them. The Chaos cultists don't seem too ornate, but the Chosen, Lord, and Hellbrute would all terrify me as a new painter. They'll be tough to paint but look so drat cool.
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Aug 17, 2012 22:05
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Fix posted:Wow, what does it feel like to be so deeply wrong? Is it a sort of tingling in your chest, or a burning sensation when you pee? I wouldn't know.  In all seriousness though, the Heavy Stubber guy, Shirtless guy, guy with all the eyes and the two champions are cool, even if the champions suffer from their casting. Nothing a bit of cutting wont fix. Im about to go full sperg here so hold on to your hats. Most of the rest look like they walked right out of Necromunda 10 years ago, complete with the posing problems that plagued metal models. The final couple look like the models you see all over the internet where someone bought a 3rd party head and stuck it on a cadian body before leaning back and congratulating himself on being the king of conversions. Really though I just passionately hate that "flat of the blade towards the front" 2d posing style so much. So so much. Like, intensely.  This image causes me physical pain.
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Aug 17, 2012 22:14
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I hate to do it to those beautiful models, but there'll be a lot of filing off of DA iconography.
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Aug 17, 2012 22:14
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New chaos models are amazing, are the marines all one piece/snap together? I've never bought a starter before. Agreeing that they could be intimidating for newbies to paint! Honestly though I will never use the DA's, does the starter stuff usually come out in boxes by itself? Really want some cultists (snap together as well?) and a hell brute. Will it work out cheaper to just buy the starter?
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Aug 17, 2012 22:25
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Cataphract posted:The models are super detailed and will be intimidating for new painters. I don't think this is how most people think. Specially not the younger players. In my experience they aren't worried at all about giving the model the paintjob it deserves or whatever. They just think it's cool to have really neat model, even if they might end up a bit disappointed by their own effort.
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Aug 17, 2012 22:33
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Ugh, seeing those new models makes me want to start a Ravenwing army. Heck, I might take the cultists to use in an inquistor army with my GKs or DCAs in my SoB. Speaking of which, am I correct in assuming that DCAs power weapons fall under unusual power weapons rule since it is not specified?
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Aug 17, 2012 22:34
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I'm trying to decide what it is that I'm looking at with those ravenwing bikes. I mean, those are new, yeah? The front wheel hood is different? The wing off the back is more sleek?
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Aug 17, 2012 22:36
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Drumstick posted:Speaking of which, am I correct in assuming that DCAs power weapons fall under unusual power weapons rule since it is not specified? No, they are power weapons and you can model them however you want. Personally I think maul + axe is the best loadout.
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Aug 17, 2012 22:37
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Miles O'Brian posted:Really though I just passionately hate that "flat of the blade towards the front" 2d posing style so much. So so much. Like, intensely. I know what you mean. I can't stand the Orks in AOBR and the Space Marine Sergeant with his sideways pointing for this reason. I'm really hoping that it's a case of that's just how it looks in a photo and in reality it's a lot more dynamic.
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Aug 17, 2012 22:47
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Phyresis posted:No, they are power weapons and you can model them however you want. Personally I think maul + axe is the best loadout. Why waste that high I and AP3?
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Aug 17, 2012 22:49
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cat with hands posted:Why waste that high I and AP3? Against more than 4+ and above you've got the maul to take care of things handily, while the axe can deal with 2+ save units, and will inflict a greater number of wounds on MEQs than going for swords; presumably you've got crusaders in the squad to soak hits before the axes get to strike.
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Aug 17, 2012 23:02
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So this may be nothing, but my LGS owner was told by his GW rep to expect an email on the 25th, with something to do with how many 6th ed rulebooks he sold. No idea if they're capping how many starters stores get, if its just bonus wholesale pricing, or what. But it's pretty funny GW would have something related to sales of rulebooks without telling stores, you know, when they went on sale. Our LGS sold 83 copies though so we should be set. 
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Aug 17, 2012 23:06
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I would also give the Crusaders axes and mauls for obvious reasons. I'm not sure how I'm going to kit out my Chaos Terminators; the kit doesn't even come with a power sword but I probably wouldn't have used it anyway. I can't decide if a power fist is worth 10 points when I can just give them a power axe for free instead. Combi-meltas should give them enough anti-tank capability and I'm not really afraid of getting them stuck in combat with a walker. e: I'm highly disappointed that Abbadon isn't going to make Terminators Troops. And that there are no Cult Terminators (you can make ghetto ones with Marks and Icons but it's hella expensive.) Phyresis fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Aug 17, 2012 |
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Aug 17, 2012 23:09
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Fix posted:I'm trying to decide what it is that I'm looking at with those ravenwing bikes. I mean, those are new, yeah? The front wheel hood is different? The wing off the back is more sleek? I think the standards are more slimline, also the feathers between the bolters are new, and you're right about the front wheel hood being different. It's slightly 'beakish'.
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Aug 17, 2012 23:19
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Nephilm posted:Against more than 4+ and above you've got the maul to take care of things handily, while the axe can deal with 2+ save units, and will inflict a greater number of wounds on MEQs than going for swords; presumably you've got crusaders in the squad to soak hits before the axes get to strike. The axe is a no-brainer, but the maul I don't know about. Seems like you would end up with larger/more expensive units just to ensure you can soak hits and do enough damage vs 3+ units. Is henchmen spawn even worth it now when you need a landraider to assault from relative safety?
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Aug 17, 2012 23:24
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Phyresis posted:
What's up with the knee pads on the AC terminator?
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Aug 18, 2012 00:07
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I can't decide whether to buy a couple of starters and split them for sale, or not bother. I did it with IoB and made enough from 2 boxes to pay for a 3rd which i kept, but nobody knows what the crap a Hellbrute will be, or if anyone wants any cultists.
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Aug 18, 2012 00:29
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Lungboy posted:I can't decide whether to buy a couple of starters and split them for sale, or not bother. I did it with IoB and made enough from 2 boxes to pay for a 3rd which i kept, but nobody knows what the crap a Hellbrute will be, or if anyone wants any cultists. If you do, I'll buy a mini rulebook or two from you...
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Aug 18, 2012 00:35
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That fuckin' Hellbrute is just asking for a Nurgle paint job.
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Aug 18, 2012 00:37
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Aw gently caress, I knew I should've gotten rid of my CSM while I had the chance
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Aug 18, 2012 00:45
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:What's up with the knee pads on the AC terminator? He doesn't have any; his greaves come up to cover his knees. As much as I'm smitten with the CSM models, I do have to wonder how much use I'll get from them. Still, I'm gonna get the set and will happily swap the DA half for another CSM half.
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Aug 18, 2012 00:46
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I expected to be able to happily ditch the Dark Angels until I realized how good the Deathwing would look back in Space Hulk.
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Aug 18, 2012 03:07
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The box set seem horribly imbalanced points wise? There seems to be around 900 points of dark angels (and 3 HQs...) and there's 450 odd points of chaos (presuming the hellbrute is a dreadnought) plus whatever the cultists cost. Even if the cultists are 10 points each that still means there's only around 650 points of chaos... that's a big gap.
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Aug 18, 2012 03:24
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If anyone doesn't want their cultists, I'll buy em for GK henchmen conversions. We should set up a thread once the box hits for goons who want to split kits.
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Aug 18, 2012 03:37
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Cataphract posted:The box set seem horribly imbalanced points wise? It's like that for the Island of Blood in fantasy, too. I think they justify it by not having the full set of codex-specific rules, like how AoBR didn't have ATSKNF, or similar. Who knows? Maybe Crazed is really good now.
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Aug 18, 2012 03:37
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Well, seeing those models has sold me on the starter set. I've played Dark Angels since I started this stupid hobby and I want to start up a Night Lords army. This thing is almost tailor-made for me. Those terminators are awesome, especially the assault cannon dude. They even have the little knives the old models did. I'm not a big fan of the DA captain, but the librarian and chaplain look good. Some of the chaos models look absolutely amazing. I really want to see what they'd look like in different colors.
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Aug 18, 2012 05:59
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SRM posted:Let's just compromise and say they're both awesome, because they are. Seconded! How can you even say that the cultists are a let down? Every model there is pretty amazing.
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Aug 18, 2012 06:00
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I'm seriously considering buy the starter straight up. I'm just floating this out there, but would anyone in the US want to split one with me? I'd just want the Chaos stuff and mini-rulebook; the only Dark Angel model that interests me is the Librarian, maybe.
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Aug 18, 2012 06:42
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Yeah, that starter set looks great. Looks like I'm heading over to Seattle again at the end of the month. Can't wait to see what the full line of new Chaos/DA minis are going to look like.
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Aug 18, 2012 07:14
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Yup gonna buy the starter set to paint and sell. That big chaos thing is worth the cost alone.
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Aug 18, 2012 07:21
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What chaos demons stuff is in the box set, or is it CSM?
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Aug 18, 2012 07:46
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Cataphract posted:The box set seem horribly imbalanced points wise? The starter sets are never balanced and almost always favor the "good guys". numerrik posted:What chaos demons stuff is in the box set, or is it CSM? It's all CSM: a lord, 6 chosen, 20 cultists, and a dreadnought.
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Aug 18, 2012 07:54
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Y'all are going to poo poo steam when they say the starter kit costs $150. 
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Aug 18, 2012 07:55
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numerrik- no Daemons stuff since GW seems set on keeping the CMarines and CDaemons lines separate. That Hellbrute is amazing, and made me double take since I thought that it was the new Chaos Dread for a second. Pity to see the double in the Chosen. Going to be definitely picking up that set for the Chaos minis. They'll be a pleasure to paint.
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Aug 18, 2012 07:57
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PeterWeller posted:He doesn't have any; his greaves come up to cover his knees. that was my point. Corvus-pattern terminator armor? Idk
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Aug 18, 2012 08:15
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:that was my point. Corvus-pattern terminator armor? Idk Some of the Black Reach terminators had it too: 
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