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The Aberrant posted:It seems like that list might stuggle with high armor spam, and/or colossals, if you were going to drop Malice I'd drop a WWS and slap in a max unit of Thralls with ua. Failing that, if you'd rather have a jack you can't go wrong with a Seether. Im probably going to drop the mechthralls for banes, and rejig the jacks a bit. Might get an arc node in there. You make a good point, I struggled against a skorne list with 4 heavies.
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I have one of them rules questions. How does channelling (and I guess arc nodes) interact with the Covenant of Menoth and its no-spellcasting aura? Say for instance you have Kaya and Laris. If Laris is inside the aura, but Kaya is not, could you still channel a spell through Laris? I could see this going either way because the spellcaster is not inside the no-spell area, but the point of origin for the spell is.
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Ye Worse User-name posted:I have one of them rules questions. How does channelling (and I guess arc nodes) interact with the Covenant of Menoth and its no-spellcasting aura? Yep, it stops spell casting, not channeling.
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Aug 21, 2012 16:44
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Flipswitch posted:It still has the Avatar and Covenant. Give up a model or two for the rest of 2012 or something. Or at least make three character-restricted lists for a three-list format and stick to them.
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Aug 21, 2012 17:42
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Excuse me while I enter whiner mode. So n3mo's feat affects electro-leaps? As in, he can bounce poo poo off his own guys and get extra damage rolls on each leap? If that's the case it is whack as gently caress.
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Aug 21, 2012 18:05
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Sulecrist posted:Give up a model or two for the rest of 2012 or something. Or at least make three character-restricted lists for a three-list format and stick to them. I actually really like Avatar with Thyra specifically. Occultation is really good for those ranged heavy lists that have magical weapons. Nothing is scarier than an unscathed Avatar in your face. I do also like to play Ranged heavy with Thyra because Feat means unless they were in absolute base 2 base you can unEngage yourself and then just blow them up.
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Aug 21, 2012 18:10
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Flipswitch posted:It still has the Avatar and Covenant. I have that problem. I was noticing that all my lists were really similar, with slight variations from Warcaster to Warcaster. If you don't want to just ban a model for a while, do what I did! I picked a unit I rarely used/was completely different, then built lists around it. For example, I was a hardcore WGDS/Kayazy/Nyss jerky infantryMachine player. So, for a tournament, of my 6 lists I took that only once. Everything else was built around things I never found a reason to include with infantryspam. Berserkers, Doomies, etc. It felt like I was playing a whole new faction. And I went 4 for 2!
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Aug 21, 2012 18:14
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The Aberrant posted:Yep, it stops spell casting, not channeling. Cool. These days I seem to spend a lot of time trying to think of ways around Menoth b.s.
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Aug 21, 2012 18:23
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Manifest posted:Excuse me while I enter whiner mode. That's exactly the idea. He shoots his own dudes in the dome and it leaps to enemies only because the leaps can no longer target his lightning immune dudes. He fucks up Infantry Machine lists pretty hard. Especially with a Storm wall to throw down covering fire templates to stop infantry dead in their tracks, get the reach infantry in place and go to town. No clue how to deal with it as a Cryx player.
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Aug 21, 2012 18:43
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Don't the electro leaps disrupt jacks too?
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Aug 21, 2012 19:11
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Help! Finish this list for me: System: Warmachine Faction: Khador Casters: 1/1 Points: 24/35 Kommander Harkevich, the Iron Wolf (*5pts) * Behemoth (13pts) * Black Ivan (10pts) Doom Reavers (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts) I've been running that list along with an extra Doom Reaver unit, Eiriss and Gorman. I've found the Doom Reavers can be really effective but usually die early on and then I'm just left with the two jacks trying to salvage the game. Kinda would like to avoid the whole winter guard deathstar thing as I don't want to paint a ton of models (mainly why I'm playing such a jack friendly caster).
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Aug 21, 2012 19:57
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+ juggernaut + widomakers Wont be that competitive but should be really fun. You can use the juggernaut as a trade piece, and widowmakers will help you remove some problematic solos/units that your other stuff cant get to. Honestly though, WGDS is still a really good option that you should consider.
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Aug 21, 2012 20:01
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Manifest posted:Don't the electro leaps disrupt jacks too? No.
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Aug 21, 2012 20:03
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Adrian Finol posted:Help! Finish this list for me: Swap doomreavers for kayazy.
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Trying my hand at an eKreoss list, what do you guys think of it so far? eKreoss +6 35/35 Crusader 6 pts Knights Exemplar 5 pts Knights Exemplar 5 pts Temple Flameguard 6 pts UA 2 pts Gravus 5 pts K. Exemplar Seneschal 3 pts K. Exemplar Seneschal 3 pts Orin Midwinter 2 pts Carvolo 2 pts Covenant 2 pts I normally toss resolve (+2 Arm/Fearless) on my Flame Guard and Sancrosanct (when model dies model that killed it is knocked down) on a squad of Knights and have them run up and die gloriously. Book Rolls in the mid with Piper next to Flameguard and usually makes them Tough. Gravus rolls with the Seneschals/Knights to get souls then goes where needed. Any suggestions?
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Aug 21, 2012 22:12
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Gindack posted:Trying my hand at an eKreoss list, what do you guys think of it so far? It'll do so much more for you.
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:I actually really like Avatar with Thyra specifically. Occultation is really good for those ranged heavy lists that have magical weapons. Nothing is scarier than an unscathed Avatar in your face. I do also like to play Ranged heavy with Thyra because Feat means unless they were in absolute base 2 base you can unEngage yourself and then just blow them up. Sulecrist posted:Give up a model or two for the rest of 2012 or something. Or at least make three character-restricted lists for a three-list format and stick to them. Raiche posted:I have that problem. I was noticing that all my lists were really similar, with slight variations from Warcaster to Warcaster. If you don't want to just ban a model for a while, do what I did! I picked a unit I rarely used/was completely different, then built lists around it. e: oh, and a fully assembled/mostly painted Judicator is here: http://geeklyminis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/judicator-gencon-2012_21.html Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 21, 2012 |
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Flipswitch posted:Yeah I found I got really burned (hurr) hard with playing eFeora so much that I end up constantly repeating the same tactics, so I've banned myself from playing her for a bit. I wanted to switch to Vindictus but I don't own any Holy Zealots but TFG are fun with him at least, so I've mosied on over to Thyra for a bit. She's a blast to play. Yeah getting to see that baby close up was the highlight of my Gencon. I can't wait to own 2.
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Aug 22, 2012 02:53
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Finished Grim Anus  
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Yeah I can't wait till the Judicator comes out. Trying to decide who I want to run it with beside eFeora
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Grabbed Gorman de Wulfe in my latest spree, should be a bit of fun. I really need to stop getting models to spite our lone cygnar player. Also picked up a second pack of shifting stones. So was basically a day of "why don't you have these things already?!".
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Gindack posted:Yeah I can't wait till the Judicator comes out. Trying to decide who I want to run it with beside eFeora pSevvy all day erry day. POW 10 blasts and DWard on it. Also Harby since you can hide behind it and don't need to camp eleventy billion focus just to survive.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:pSevvy all day erry day. POW 10 blasts and DWard on it. Also Harby since you can hide behind it and don't need to camp eleventy billion focus just to survive. Yeah I need to pick up pSevvy, the Warcasters I have given a shot so far are; pKreoss eKreoss eFeora Reznik Harby Was thinking about maybe picking up Testament since I wasted my money on Vengers, can't seem to get them to work for me.
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Gindack posted:Yeah I can't wait till the Judicator comes out. Trying to decide who I want to run it with beside eFeora I think I might try to take the Judicator with pFeora, and start playing her. Blazing effigy on a 5" base seems loving awesome, and walls of fire might be fun to play with.
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I just started playing, and I'm having a real good time with it. I figure it's about time for me to expand out to 35 points, could you tell me if I have the right idea with this? System: Warmachine Faction: Khador Casters: 1/1 Points: 35/35 Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Prince (*5pts) * Drago (8pts) * Demolisher (9pts) * War Dog (1pt) Battle Mechaniks (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3pts) Widowmaker Marksman (2pts) Widowmakers (4pts) Iron Fang Pikemen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts) Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts) * 1 Winter Guard Rocketeer Attachment (1pts) The general plan is to abuse Signs and Portents to get as many critical effects as possible out of the pikemen and Drago, use the widowmakers to pick off solos and have the guard and Demolisher clear infantry with AOE attacks. I've got the plastic kit so I can swap the Demolisher for a Devastator or Spriggan if either of those would work better. I also see Kayazy Assassins recommended here a lot and was thinking about swapping them for the Winter Guard, how do you use them that makes them so strong?
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Won my last two games so I'm feeling pretty smug right now. Both were fifty point games played over the last two weeks and I had a blast. The first one was my eSevy list. I faced eButcher in a brutal match up. First time up against the WG deathstar and I learned to fear it. My opponent psyched me out by placing his cavalry and infantry on the left side of the board and his three jacks and butcher on the right. Rather than shoving everything in his face on the right I stupidly fell for the trap and spread my forces out too thin. If it hadn't been for eSevy's feat moving his calvary away, my front line would have collapsed and the old man would have poo poo the bed for the last time. I managed to get an assassination on him as he put eButcher behind two jacks but left just a small sliver of a gap in between them. I assualted him with my bonded Reckoner, 4 attacks later he only had one wound left. A vanquisher shot finished him off. The last game was tonight and I kinda feel a little bad about it. It was against Nemo3 but with only one lightening arching unit(Cygnar Calvary). I brought my eFeroa list with me and just tore him apart. He had no real counter to my heavy armor and no Disruption effects. The guy is pretty new so I suggested he swap the caster for Nemo2 or eHailey. Either one of those casters would have done much better for him against me. Not sure if my words got through to him since he seemed pretty set on still using Nemo3, but who knows. I do hope my Nicia comes in tomorrow as then I will have the last thing I'm missing for my Reznik list I want to run the following week. Excelsiortothemax fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Aug 22, 2012 |
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Nemo3 isn't actually a bad match up for eFeora providing he brings a lot of heavy stuff, Stormclads or the Stormwall usually does it. Escort tends to keep Feora near your Warjacks and then he can just lighting arc through with his feat and drain her health bit at a time. It's well annoying. How did you find eSev? His page looks really interesting but apart from Awareness I couldn't really see where to apply it.
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Yeah he seems like he's got a lot of really cool quirky abilities, his feat is a bit weird too, but that is a trend I did notice is that the Epic Warcasters tend to be more subtle than their Prime counterparts.
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Quest Jefferson posted:
From what I have seen at my store is that our Khador guys usually run them up behind IFP and then give them acrobatics (minifeat?) and go for the Warcaster kill. Also with eVlads feat they become amazingly strong. Excelsiortothemax posted:
Mind posting that Reznik list?
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KR Multicase people, how do you transport colossals/gargantuans/the taller battle engines? My Gun Carriage fits into a Huge tray just fine but I am not sure how to handle a Fulcrum or Woldwrath or Conquest.
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:Amusing that you use the term rockin as I was that other goon. You were seriously one of the best gm's I've had in a while. Also gently caress that farrow warlord. Heh, as a Muse on Minier, I am also a Goon. The big guy in the hat that sat to your right. That session was a blast, IRSMART said it right, you are a very good GM to do that on the fly.
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Quest Jefferson posted:I just started playing, and I'm having a real good time with it. I figure it's about time for me to expand out to 35 points, could you tell me if I have the right idea with this? Can you tell us what models you already own? That might make it easier for us to help.
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Sulecrist posted:Can you tell us what models you already own? That might make it easier for us to help. I have everything in that list except the Dog, the Mechaniks, the Rocketeer and the Pikemen, and the starter battlegroup.
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Someone posted a photo of the judicator they were building at Gencon. Looks alright I guess. I'm not really into the menoth aesthetic though. 
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Quest Jefferson posted:I also see Kayazy Assassins recommended here a lot and was thinking about swapping them for the Winter Guard, how do you use them that makes them so strong? They are very good combat infantry and you can use them to tarpit because of their high DEF when engaged. The UA makes them very dangerous because you can disengage and punch stuff behind the front line. WGI do not do the same thing as Kayazy. In most places I would prefer Kayazy+UA to WGI+UA+Joe. The WGI deathstar is really good at marching up to midfeild, spraying down a bunch of stuff with boosted attack rolls and then standing in the way. They are a bunch of dicks. WGRC+Joe are very good and worth look into if you want to have a stronger ranged element in your list.
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Gindack posted:
Sure! Note its not battle tested and I have no idea how it will fair once it hits the table. Protectorate of Menoth - 56 / 56 (50+6) High Executioner Servath Reznik - WJ: +6 - Scourge of Heresy - PC: 9 - Vanquisher - PC: 8 - Reckoner - PC: 8 Avatar of Menoth - PC: 11 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 2 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 2 Wrack - PC: 1 Nicia, Tear of Vengeance - PC: 3 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 2 Exemplar Errants - Leader and 9 Grunts+UA : 10 My goal for this list is to deny spell casting and punish my opponent when he does.
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Manifest posted:Someone posted a photo of the judicator they were building at Gencon. That looks loving awesome.
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Judicator looks bad rear end. I am all set to hate the gently caress out of them though.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:Sure! Note its not battle tested and I have no idea how it will fair once it hits the table. Looks interesting, only problem with SoH is he is Spd 4, so kinda slow compared to the rest of your army. I personally like running Saxon Orick around with Nicia so he can give her Pathfinder for at least 2 turns if needed.
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