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Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
I'm intensely curious about both of your scripts.

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Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

Magic Hate Ball posted:

I'm intensely curious about both of your scripts.

I have three pages of notes to incorporate into mine before I show anybody but you'll be one of the first to get it :)

Digi_Kraken
Sep 4, 2011
It's still blowing my mind how much work I'm doing this summer script-wise. First spec done, the 1st draft of the second spec is like 40% done, and the third is in planning. I feel so responsible!

How's it going for you guys?

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Griff, your specs are only 12 pages. Tell me when you breeze through a screenplay.

And you don't NEED more than two specs, unless you're doing animation/comedy/drama.

Otcho
May 4, 2012

Slowly gaining ground on my graduation script. It needs to be good so I spent a lot of time rewriting the outline. I'm really happy with how it turned out - but that doesn't make the first draft of my treatment any less lovely.

I'm too much of a control freak to be a writer, really.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe
I'm looking for more people to read and give me their thoughts on the 1.2 draft of my second feature screenplay. It's only 89 pages and should be a pretty breezy read. I have some ideas of what I need to fixed/worked on but some confirmation would be nice.

Golden Bee posted:

Griff, your specs are only 12 pages. Tell me when you breeze through a screenplay.

And you don't NEED more than two specs, unless you're doing animation/comedy/drama.

Remember that one guy in here who wrote a feature, they actually made, in six days? Even though he admitted it was lovely, that's still an impressive feat.

Digi_Kraken
Sep 4, 2011

Golden Bee posted:

Griff, your specs are only 12 pages. Tell me when you breeze through a screenplay.

Gee, thanks :jerkbag:

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Just teasing, man. Your notes really helped my rewrite.

Digi_Kraken
Sep 4, 2011

Golden Bee posted:

Just teasing, man. Your notes really helped my rewrite.

I love you too :3:

Digi_Kraken
Sep 4, 2011
Just finished the first draft of my "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" spec. Anyone wanna give it a read?

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010
Treatment writing: What should I be doing for it? I'm so confused about it. Should it be detailed as all hell or should it just be short descriptions of what happens in each scene? What is the correct way to do it.

Fire Safety Doug
Sep 3, 2006

99 % caffeine free is 99 % not my kinda thing

screenwritersblues posted:

Treatment writing: What should I be doing for it? I'm so confused about it. Should it be detailed as all hell or should it just be short descriptions of what happens in each scene? What is the correct way to do it.

Depends what it's for, but let's say you get asked for a one-page treatment for a feature length screenplay. You should write it so that the reader gets an idea about your whole movie within that one page (and one page only, if that's what you were asked for).

Focus on what the story is really about and try to crystallize that onto paper. If you haven't developed it enough, it will show. Don't write "he says, she says" descriptions of single scenes – if you have room for that, the story is not there yet. A treatment is not a step outline. Skip detail in favor of the big picture.

In school we had to start our degree project screenplay by writing out a one-page treatment that was then expanded to 2, 4, and finally 8 pages. It's a great way to see what you've really got and spot the weak areas.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.

Fire Safety Doug posted:

Depends what it's for, but let's say you get asked for a one-page treatment for a feature length screenplay. You should write it so that the reader gets an idea about your whole movie within that one page (and one page only, if that's what you were asked for).

Focus on what the story is really about and try to crystallize that onto paper. If you haven't developed it enough, it will show. Don't write "he says, she says" descriptions of single scenes – if you have room for that, the story is not there yet. A treatment is not a step outline. Skip detail in favor of the big picture.

In school we had to start our degree project screenplay by writing out a one-page treatment that was then expanded to 2, 4, and finally 8 pages. It's a great way to see what you've really got and spot the weak areas.

I'm gonna try this, thanks!

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010

Fire Safety Doug posted:

Depends what it's for, but let's say you get asked for a one-page treatment for a feature length screenplay. You should write it so that the reader gets an idea about your whole movie within that one page (and one page only, if that's what you were asked for).

Focus on what the story is really about and try to crystallize that onto paper. If you haven't developed it enough, it will show. Don't write "he says, she says" descriptions of single scenes – if you have room for that, the story is not there yet. A treatment is not a step outline. Skip detail in favor of the big picture.

In school we had to start our degree project screenplay by writing out a one-page treatment that was then expanded to 2, 4, and finally 8 pages. It's a great way to see what you've really got and spot the weak areas.

Thanks for this. I went out and found an example of it and it works much better than the way I was doing it. However, I have a feeling that it's going to be over 8 pages.

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010
Question about introducing characters. If I have already introduced a character earlier in the script, do I have to reintroduce the character when I start to use her more or can I just have her start talking?

Great Horny Toads!
Apr 25, 2012

screenwritersblues posted:

Thanks for this. I went out and found an example of it and it works much better than the way I was doing it. However, I have a feeling that it's going to be over 8 pages.

Just to clear up a wee bit of terminology:

SYNOPSIS - This creature is 1-3 pages long. It is more-or-less a pitch in text form.

OUTLINE - Average length is about 10 pages. This is a run-through, in paragraph form, of your plot.

TREATMENT - 30-60 pages. You may have heard the TV production term "bible". It's a big reference document that includes story outline, aesthetic references, character sketches, artwork, location stuff, etc.

In film, this is called the treatment. Back in the old studio days, treatments ran about 300 pages. You could say the old films were so great because they were all basically novel adaptations. These days, 30-60 is acceptable. I think I have a treatment for E.T. sitting on an external. I can email it to you, if you like.

screenwritersblues posted:

Question about introducing characters. If I have already introduced a character earlier in the script, do I have to reintroduce the character when I start to use her more or can I just have her start talking?

When first introducing, put character's name in caps, and give a brief description. After that, just hav her start talking.

Fire Safety Doug
Sep 3, 2006

99 % caffeine free is 99 % not my kinda thing

Great Horny Toads! posted:

Just to clear up a wee bit of terminology:

SYNOPSIS - This creature is 1-3 pages long. It is more-or-less a pitch in text form.

OUTLINE - Average length is about 10 pages. This is a run-through, in paragraph form, of your plot.

TREATMENT - 30-60 pages. You may have heard the TV production term "bible". It's a big reference document that includes story outline, aesthetic references, character sketches, artwork, location stuff, etc.

In film, this is called the treatment. Back in the old studio days, treatments ran about 300 pages. You could say the old films were so great because they were all basically novel adaptations. These days, 30-60 is acceptable. I think I have a treatment for E.T. sitting on an external. I can email it to you, if you like.

In my experience the terminology is far from being set in stone; my teachers (working writers with experience in the UK and US) would always talk about treatments when referring to what you'd call synopsis/outline. The same holds true for screenwriting books, where the terminology seems to vary from one to another.

That is not to say that you're wrong, and you may well be more knowledgeable about the business than I am – just pointing this out :)

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010

Great Horny Toads! posted:

Just to clear up a wee bit of terminology:

SYNOPSIS - This creature is 1-3 pages long. It is more-or-less a pitch in text form.

OUTLINE - Average length is about 10 pages. This is a run-through, in paragraph form, of your plot.

TREATMENT - 30-60 pages. You may have heard the TV production term "bible". It's a big reference document that includes story outline, aesthetic references, character sketches, artwork, location stuff, etc.

In film, this is called the treatment. Back in the old studio days, treatments ran about 300 pages. You could say the old films were so great because they were all basically novel adaptations. These days, 30-60 is acceptable. I think I have a treatment for E.T. sitting on an external. I can email it to you, if you like.


When first introducing, put character's name in caps, and give a brief description. After that, just hav her start talking.

Thanks, I never really understood what everyone was talking about in the books that I read. It makes sense now.

For the character stuff, I've been doing this basically, but never understood what happened if I introduced the character, say on the first page, and did use him or her until the like the 8th or ninth page.

Mozzie
Oct 26, 2007
I don't know poo poo about writing at all but I spent 6 months in Mumbai living and working in Bollywood on some 3D movies, and despite their movies being mostly terrible crowd-pleasing fluff, I've had this spy thriller stuck in my head based vaguely on my experience in Mumbai as a westerner.

I've been biting my teeth about teaming up with a writing friend at home or just flying back for a week and renting a hotel in Juhu and just slamming out a first draft. I've beaten my first hurdle on a log line, but I don't know if it sounds like that pleasing of a concept.

A disgraced american security analysis loses his grasp on reality while working for the Indian government and inadvertently is used to orchestrate a nuclear terrorist attack that threatens Mumbai

It's kinda Sum of All Fears, meets Apocalypse Now set in Slumdog Millionaire

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
It's got too many words (29).

An American security analyst working in India is used as a pawn in a nuclear attack.

[This is still an odd log; we don't get the villain, and much more than the intro to the 2nd act. Who is the guy ahead of time? Who's using him? Who's helping him?]


[Also, "in Slumdog Millionaire" is odd, but I don't like single movies being used for entire cultures. It certainly says what you think it does, but I feel it's used broadly a lot of the time.]

Great Horny Toads!
Apr 25, 2012
American Bollywood movie extra used as pawn in nuclear attack. "Wow, these sets look so real". "Does this AK47 replica really need realistic recoil and gun sounds?" :downs:

Then the warlord orders his guards to perform the dance they practiced for this occasion.

Okay, I dunno where that came form.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
"American Bollywood Extra" is a MUCH, MUCH funnier idea. I love it 100%, since instead of playing up "India is a funny country", you get to go to "India's perception of America is funny." Maybe the guy is pretty poor, but since he's American is always cast as a billionaire CEO. The tradeoff is that the humble pauper on screen is a preening diva, and the grip department has rigged the set to explode during the making-of DVD.

Mozzie
Oct 26, 2007
Yes but if you replace extra with 3D Camera specialist it practically becomes an autobiography, which I am not interested in making as it would expose all my shady dealings.

Also white people who have some kinda of crypto-reverse-racism about Slumdog Millionaire are the worst, I lived in Mumbai for 5 months before I even saw the movie and it's a very genuine depiction of the city. Hell, I was shocked when I saw the hotel the kids run into is the tulip star which I knew top to bottom as it was a principle location in the film I was working on.

Mozzie fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Aug 14, 2012

Jabrosky
Aug 11, 2012

by elpintogrande
I've never written a screenplay before, but I would like to convert one of my stories into a screenplay sometime in the future. Of course I first must write a story that's worth a cinematic adaptation to begin with...

pipes!
Jul 10, 2001
Nap Ghost
Hello writers! If you could take a moment to read this sticky, I'd very much appreciate it:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3501699

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010
I'd like to thank this thread for all the help that they provided over the past few weeks. I'm finally getting back into writing and I find myself writing for at least four hours a day now. This should be one of the bigger threads on SA, but because of the fact that it's such a challenge to write a decent script, it isn't.

I would like to update the OP a little bit, maybe throw in a few good resources or sites that offer help and the like. If anyone has any or knows of any good sites, please post them and I will happily put them in the OP.

EDIT:

Also, I'm 43 pages deep and roughly have 55 scenes planned out. This thing got big really fast and I'm happy thus far with it.

screenwritersblues fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Aug 23, 2012

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

screenwritersblues posted:

I'd like to thank this thread for all the help that they provided over the past few weeks. I'm finally getting back into writing and I find myself writing for at least four hours a day now. This should be one of the bigger threads on SA, but because of the fact that it's such a challenge to write a decent script, it isn't.

I would like to update the OP a little bit, maybe throw in a few good resources or sites that offer help and the like. If anyone has any or knows of any good sites, please post them and I will happily put them in the OP.

EDIT:

Also, I'm 43 pages deep and roughly have 55 scenes planned out. This thing got big really fast and I'm happy thus far with it.

Good for you, man! I'm glad to hear you've finally given plotting a chance and that it's working out for you :)

Lately, I've been taking my sweet time plotting out my third feature. The first one was too bloated, meandering, overwritten cold, the second one was too lean, on the nose, rushed hot and I'm hoping this one will be juuust right. I'm going way out of my wheelhouse on this one. Kind of fantasy/adventure. A movie kids can enjoy.

I was actually going to contact you about making a new thread with a new OP. Beyond a list of good recommended books/resources/sites/programs, which is a great idea, I thought it would be awesome if most of the people in the thread could write a summary of where they are at and what they have learned from screenwriting so far.

Some people are amateurs, some have indie credits, some are working on original features, some are working on original tv shows, some are working are spec tv shows, some are working on shorts, some are working on comedy skits. It's probably the most interesting aspect of screenwriting. The freedom. The lack of set-in-stone rules beyond a few formatting requirements. It's a tough thing to wrap your head around at first.

Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Aug 23, 2012

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010

Sporadic posted:

Good for you, man! I'm glad to hear you've finally given plotting a chance and that it's working out for you :)

Lately, I've been taking my sweet time plotting out my third feature. The first one was too bloated, meandering, overwritten cold, the second one was too lean, on the nose, rushed hot and I'm hoping this one will be juuust right. I'm going way out of my wheelhouse on this one. Kind of fantasy/adventure. A movie kids can enjoy.

I was actually going to contact you about making a new thread with a new OP. Beyond a list of good recommended books/resources/sites/programs, which is a great idea, I thought it would be awesome if most of the people in the thread could write a summary of where they are at and what they have learned from screenwriting so far.

Some people are amateurs, some have indie credits, some are working on original features, some are working on original tv shows, some are working are spec tv shows, some are working on shorts, some are working on comedy skits. It's probably the most interesting aspect of screenwriting. The freedom. The lack of set-in-stone rules beyond a few formatting requirements. It's a tough thing to wrap your head around at first.

Plotting makes everything seem much realistic. If I need to put a scene in some where, I just adjust the plot in the word doc and then keep going. I have a system worked out too. Sunday and Monday are plotting days, while Tues-Sat are strictly writing days.

My dialog still needs a lot of work. I can't seem to get it to be short at times, but others it seems like its too short. Live and learn I guess.

Sprodic: shoot me an email at jarrett.brown@live.com. I think that we can some how start working on a new thread and have it ready in a couple of weeks. It would be great to see if we can convince some of the people who have worked in the industry to share what they have to say about it. I will create a new thread if people want me to and I will make it good.

WerthersWay
Jul 21, 2009

I have a very small question:

When writing a teleplay in Final Draft, what option do you select when writing the "1ST ACT" or "END OF COLD OPEN"? I usually use "general" or "action" and just center the alignment for that one line so it looks like a professional script.

I don't even know if there's one correct answer, but I remember editing a screenplay once and because I used one of those, it kept undoing the centering of that line once I went back and started cutting and pasting chunks of the script.

WerthersWay fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Sep 6, 2012

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010

Mordecai Sanchez posted:

I have a very small question:

When writing a teleplay in Final Draft, what option do you select when writing the "1ST ACT" or "END OF COLD OPEN"? I usually use "general" or "action" and just center the alignment for that one line so it looks like a professional script.

I don't even know if there's one correct answer, but I remember editing a screenplay once and because I used one of those, it kept undoing the centering of that line once I went back and started cutting and pasting chunks of the script.

If you're using Final Draft 8, in the drop box that is above the document, you can choose that stuff in there. It also says stuff like scene heading and dialogue in it.

WerthersWay
Jul 21, 2009

screenwritersblues posted:

If you're using Final Draft 8, in the drop box that is above the document, you can choose that stuff in there. It also says stuff like scene heading and dialogue in it.

That's not my question. I'm asking which is the correct option/element, if there even is one, when writing the one line of text starting and ending each act in a teleplay, such as "END OF ACT I"

Something Else
Dec 27, 2004

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Mordecai Sanchez posted:

That's not my question. I'm asking which is the correct option/element, if there even is one, when writing the one line of text starting and ending each act in a teleplay, such as "END OF ACT I"

I would use the Transition element for END OF ACT I and Scene Heading for ACT II, etc.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.

Mordecai Sanchez posted:

That's not my question. I'm asking which is the correct option/element, if there even is one, when writing the one line of text starting and ending each act in a teleplay, such as "END OF ACT I"

You're on FInal Draft 8, right? The elements you SHOULD be looking for are "New Act," "End of Act," and "Teaser/Act One."

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010

Mordecai Sanchez posted:

That's not my question. I'm asking which is the correct option/element, if there even is one, when writing the one line of text starting and ending each act in a teleplay, such as "END OF ACT I"

It will autoformat it for you if you use the drop box at the top. If not then I would just use the general, center it, capitalize the entire thing, and underline it.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe
Quick question, how would I format somebody watching a certain thing on TV?

In my new script, after mom throws away his VHS collection, main character pulls a hidden tape out from under the couch (where he sleeps) and pops it in.

The idea is we'll see a small bit of it (Night Of The Living Dead - Johnny: You're still afraid? *tape drops out* Barbara: Stop it, you're acting like a child. Johnny: They're coming for you. Look! There comes one of them now.) before the next scene.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Put a slug: ON TV. Nearly every slacker movie has an example of them watching a meaningful film, so take a look at anything and you'll see a good way to do it.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

Golden Bee posted:

Put a slug: ON TV. Nearly every slacker movie has an example of them watching a meaningful film, so take a look at anything and you'll see a good way to do it.

I'm having a trouble finding an example. So I just tried to go with it. Does it look ok? I'm not sure if it needs the RETURN TO SCENE or not.

code:
INT. APARTMENT, LIVING ROOM - NIGHT

A glimpse of Mom before the door swings shut.

Jimmy appears to be asleep until he opens a single eye.
The coast is clear. He pulls a VHS tape out from under 
the cushion. Pops it in.

ON TV

A well-worn public domain copy of the original Night Of 
The Living Dead. Johnny and Barbara are in a graveyard.

                      JOHNNY
               You’re still afraid?

The tape drops out. The sound warbles.  

                      BARBARA
               Stop it, you're acting 
               like a child.

                      JOHNNY
               They're coming for you. 
               Look! There comes one of
               them now.

RETURN TO SCENE

It continues to play as Jimmy curls up under the blankets.

bushisms.txt
May 26, 2004

Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.


Over the last couple of months, I kind of lost my mind and wrote this. It's in script form barely. It's a big screen robot flick script. I started writing it in response to Prometheus, and the CD Prometheus thread. I just finished this tonight, so I feel like I exorcised a demon. I would really like any and all criticism.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9JHLyj_p0z0TW9YTVJuNkQ1c0U

I am formatting this in Final Draft, and would love to hear any thoughts.

edit:I'm a prick, sorry.

bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Sep 19, 2012

clown shoes
Jul 17, 2004

Nothing but clowns down here.
What's with all the "read more at Brainy Quotes" copypasta at the bottom?

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bushisms.txt
May 26, 2004

Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.


wordsauce posted:

What's with all the "read more at Brainy Quotes" copypasta at the bottom?
Research. I wrote the whole thing on my phone, and at one point a character was going to say one of those, still might, I just never removed it.

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