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raf posted:She kicked her minister for the environment, Norbert Röttgen, out of office for losing the elections so badly in Northrhine-Westphalia, the largest German state. In a 2 minute speech. Publicly. And in a tone that pretty much amounted to 'Thank you, Norbert, now gently caress off.' Oh god, this is genius. I heard that Roettgen got kicked out of office over the radio today but I had no idea it was in a public speech. Can't say that I didn't see that coming, though.
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May 31, 2012 13:47
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Today on my way to uni I saw a new book being advertised: Here is a TV discussion with the author of this book: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1715224/Kann-Bayern-es-alleine-schaffen%253F?bc=sts;suc Separatism in Bavaria is still alive? What the gently caress?
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Today on my way to uni I saw a new book being advertised: I guess this is coming up again because Bavaria is currently being pretty  about being one of 4 (?) states that have to pay for the rest in the Länderfinanzausgleich. They will never actually secede, they're just very self-important.
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^^^^^^ Edit: Also this Lucy Heartfilia posted:Separatism in Bavaria is still alive? What the gently caress? Of course it is! It's not really mainstream though. As far as I know he wants a constitutional monarchy like the UK or the Netherlands or something... I kinda would be in favor of an "Alpenstaat". Bavaria (without Franconia) + Switzerland + Austria. Why? Because why not. Honestly though I don't give a gently caress one way or the other.
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If bavarian separatism is surprising to anyone, I wouldn't recommend looking into frankonian separatism to them.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:If bavarian separatism is surprising to anyone, I wouldn't recommend looking into frankonian separatism to them. Isn't frankonian separatism more along the lines of wanting to become their own Bundesland? Also the parallels between Bavaria and Texas grow by the day...
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Aug 24, 2012 15:13
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As someone from Hamburg I cannot wait until Bavaria gtfo's.
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az posted:As someone from Hamburg I cannot wait until Bavaria gtfo's. lolz north vs south
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Aug 24, 2012 15:56
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Is there another Bundesland that basically only votes for one party all the time? What the gently caress is democracy? Lets vote for the same guys over and over because their party has 'Christian' in its name.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Is there another Bundesland that basically only votes for one party all the time? What the gently caress is democracy? Lets vote for the same guys over and over because their party has 'Christian' in its name. Yeah, because the difference between SPD and CDU/CSU is enormous  Edit: Don't get me wrong I'm with you guys on that one
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Aug 24, 2012 16:46
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^^^^ You may have missed it but we don't have a two party system.
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az posted:^^^^ Jesus, you know exactly what I mean. It's either Rot/Grün, Schwarz/Gelb or Rot/Schwarz. The difference in policy is marginal at best. Look at the cuts in social services or the intervention in Afghanistan under Rot/Grün. The CSU-only thing in Bavaria is especially lovely, I know. But while we may have "more choice" at the voting booth than for example the US, it's only in theory imo.
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Yeah it's true, especially bad considering all our major parties gravitated towards the center right.
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I don't really think so. At least there differences are more gradual so we don't end up in these crippling political trenches the USA is stuck in. Also sice there is more competition, there is less incentive for a campaign which purely consist of atack adds. And frankly our parties are quite sane. In my oppinion even the FDP is closer to the center than the American democrat party. i.e. the democrats are actually pretty conservative. But the republicans seem to be beyond NPD level sometimes, while the TEA party would call those guys socialists. And since there is no actually left competitor (this wont happen any time soon) this drift will continue. gently caress the two party system. I am glad to live in a place which makes more sence.
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Maybe the Piraten Partei will bring positive change... Hahahaha. Couldn't finish that sentence.
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^^ lmao Well yes we are still far away from the USA, thank god, but we are moving in the same direction. Compare the Green party from the days when Joschka Fischer wore sneakers to parliament and today, where they fall over each other trying to get into a coalition, any coalition. I don't think I even have to mention how much the SPD shifted to the center from were they used to be. I mean even Helmut Schmidt is ashamed of some of their policies and he used to be relatively grounded for a Hamburg social democrat. The FDP can go to hell forever, they're both useless and stupid, their libertarian policies are counter productive and literally FYGM politics. The Linke, heh, I don't even know where they gently caress they're going anymore. From the perspectives of left leaning social dems and socialists, we really need a new charismatic and influential politician that drops some truthbombs and isn't afraid of going against the cuddle politics of today, while further eroding our social safety nets.
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az posted:From the perspectives of left leaning social dems and socialists, we really need a new charismatic and influential politician that drops some truthbombs and isn't afraid of going against the cuddle politics of today, while further eroding our social safety nets. Someone like Thilo Sarazin, then?  Oh, right, charismatic. drat. I don't think we are moving in the direction of the US political discourse. So far, neither of the big parties has accused the other of literally destroying the country. Frankly, I prefer a political system that makes decisions which I do not always agree with to a political system that gridlocks itself to death. The Republicans in the US have given up on trying to work with the other side and are in full fundamental opposition mode. ArchangeI fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Aug 24, 2012 |
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...did you seriously just imply that the only problem with Sarrazin is that he's not charming enough?  I mean, the guy does have all the charisma of a rotting onion, but... vvvvv and also a big ol' racist? Does that part matter to anyone else?
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az posted:The FDP can go to hell forever, they're both useless and stupid, their libertarian policies are counter productive and literally FYGM politics. FDP has a libertarian platform, a marginalized group with one semi-sympathizer in parliament (Frank Schäffler). Libertarians in politics struggle for a night watchman state. Once you hear the social democrats in the FDP publicly advocate for anything remotely resembling that, feel free to ring me up; I'll mark the date in my calendar.
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I cannot parse what you are trying to say. The FDP is not a libertarian party but actually social democratic? What
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:...did you seriously just imply that the only problem with Sarrazin is that he's not charming enough? means that you're knowingly saying something dumb, at least that's how i always interpreted it.Regarding the FDP, i liked how the night before the NRW election the moderators on Radio Eins called them unelectable trash.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:...did you seriously just imply that the only problem with Sarrazin is that he's not charming enough? No, I meant to imply that Az's post read almost 1:1 like some comments from Sarazin fans. Finally someone who speaks the truth about all those drat immigrants! Someone who is not cowed by the PC-thought police that controls all other parties in parliament! And he was (is?) in the SPD, so... quote:Libertarians in politics struggle for a night watchman state. And the FDP only appears less than libertarian to people used to American libertarians. Whatever the goal of the FDP is, it is drat near indistinguishable from libertarianism, even if they stop short from going all in in a single blow. Bit by bit, they want to dismantle the (welfare-)state.
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ArchangeI posted:No, I meant to imply that Az's post read almost 1:1 like some comments from Sarazin fans. Finally someone who speaks the truth about all those drat immigrants! Someone who is not cowed by the PC-thought police that controls all other parties in parliament! And he was (is?) in the SPD, so... Ah, sorry, I get you now. Yeah, there's that tone to it a bit.
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ArchangeI posted:No, I meant to imply that Az's post read almost 1:1 like some comments from Sarazin fans. Finally someone who speaks the truth about all those drat immigrants! Someone who is not cowed by the PC-thought police that controls all other parties in parliament! And he was (is?) in the SPD, so... No no that was really not what I meant. Looking over it, it wasn't expressed very well. I was referring to people that break the mold of hand wringing and softballing each other in political discourse like German politicians of these times seem to love. I'd love to see politicians that actually call each other on their lies and idiotic policy proposals instead of going "ehhhhhh". People like Sarazin that unload rhetorical garbage and try to score cheap demagogue points can gently caress right off.
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az posted:I cannot parse what you are trying to say. The FDP is not a libertarian party but actually social democratic? What I browsed the topical statements on fdp.de and every single one I've read would prompt an actual defender of minimal government (which is my working definition of libertarian) to describe the general outlook of the party as "social-democratic". They believe in a comprehensive welfare state, a government-guaranteed income for small earners, green energy via government decree ... I'm especially fond of their stance on the minimum wage: they oppose that and advocate their government income instead, which is an even more social-democratic position than being pro minimum wage. I know the FDP is the archenemy of every decent and honest person (read: left-winger). They've grown to like that niche because it gets them the votes of the few remaining self-identifying bourgeois in this country. In reality, though, their policies are thoroughly social-democratic and have always been that way. Free government education, which was the main platform of the FDP in the social-liberal coalition, isn't exactly "libertarian".
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az posted:No no that was really not what I meant. Looking over it, it wasn't expressed very well. I was referring to people that break the mold of hand wringing and softballing each other in political discourse like German politicians of these times seem to love. I'd love to see politicians that actually call each other on their lies and idiotic policy proposals instead of going "ehhhhhh". People like Sarazin that unload rhetorical garbage and try to score cheap demagogue points can gently caress right off. At some level I agree with you, but sharpening the contrast between the parties brings the possibility of a deadlock, especially when Bundestag and Bundesrat are controlled by different parties. Looking at Belgium and the US (and Hesse a few years ago, come to think of it), having a political system that does not gridlock itself because everyone involved is willing to work with one another (even the CDU cooperates with Die Linke on a local level, believe it or not) seems a major boon to me. And calling politicians on their lies is the media's job. At least we are not as bad off as the Americans, where one party tells outright and outrageous lies, with no one calling them on it except for a Jewish comedian.
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Speaking of political parties... Higher res here: http://www.titanic-magazin.de/wallpapers.html
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That's pretty funny. Especially how the Piraten view everyone else.
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Hahaa the one for the CSU is even better.
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Who's the guy "Linke aus der Sicht von CDU"? Some dude from Kraftwerk? Have no idea.
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midnightclimax posted:Who's the guy "Linke aus der Sicht von CDU"? Some dude from Kraftwerk? Have no idea. Some Stasi guy from a movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others
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I don't get it. Dude being proud of getting a MLP/Piratenpartei crossover flag? Why? This is so confusing.
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Same reason one of them tweeted a photo that showed the phones in one of the party's offices were named after MLP characters: there's a certain overlap between bronies (read: young male adults on the internet) and members of the pirate party (read: young male adults on the internet). These people also tend to be socially inept and somehow think admitting this does not completely invalidate them as human beings. Tell me more about your favorite Fluttershy fanfic, self-proclaimed politician! In fact, tell me how you freaks watch MLP during your Parteitag instead of doing, I dunno, politics or something because that sure doesn't make you seem like a creepy loving bunch of neckbeards.
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One of the members of the pirate party has taken down websites offering pirated versions of her book due to copyright infringement. Considering where the party got its name from, and how heavily they oppose copyright laws, it is kind of ridiculous. So stealing is okay, as long as it's not from me!
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