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Elemennop
Dec 29, 2004

only the martyrs have their identities remembered. please remember me, i beg you!
Hey I tried to update my system from 11.04 to 11.10 and then 12.04 using the update manager. However during some point in that second step there was some issue, and it froze. Upon rebooting, the grub gnu shows only 5 options. "Ubuntu, with linux 3.0.0-24 generic" being the first, ten recovery mode, then previous linux versions, and finally memtests. When I try the first, it goes to the command line with an error of "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ling.so.6 version 'GLIBC_2.14' not found". Filesystems can't be mounted, and whenever I try to do something it says read only. I've tried recovery mode as well. Any ideas?

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ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Elemennop posted:

Hey I tried to update my system from 11.04 to 11.10 and then 12.04 using the update manager. However during some point in that second step there was some issue, and it froze. Upon rebooting, the grub gnu shows only 5 options. "Ubuntu, with linux 3.0.0-24 generic" being the first, ten recovery mode, then previous linux versions, and finally memtests. When I try the first, it goes to the command line with an error of "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ling.so.6 version 'GLIBC_2.14' not found". Filesystems can't be mounted, and whenever I try to do something it says read only. I've tried recovery mode as well. Any ideas?
Put in a 12.04 cd and do the reinstall (while preserving home directory) option. If the glibc package didn't get configured right then things just plain aren't gonna work.

Elemennop
Dec 29, 2004

only the martyrs have their identities remembered. please remember me, i beg you!

ShadowHawk posted:

Put in a 12.04 cd and do the reinstall (while preserving home directory) option. If the glibc package didn't get configured right then things just plain aren't gonna work.

I figured, thanks. I copied my old home folder to an external harddrive, can I just dump it into my new home folder without issue?

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Elemennop posted:

I figured, thanks. I copied my old home folder to an external harddrive, can I just dump it into my new home folder without issue?

Pretty much. Make the user have the same name and rename the default userfolder it gives you before said dumping

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
12.04.1 is out.

Ubuntu (desktop/server)
Kubuntu
Xubuntu

I've been zsyncing my 12.04 CD images; looks like about 40% of each file needs to be replaced.

(Different subject: I also zsync the Quantal ISOs every day, and the last two daily builds have replaced almost the entire CD image for both Ubuntu and Kubuntu.)

Lysidas fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Aug 25, 2012

Crayvex
Dec 15, 2005

Morons! I have morons on my payroll!

Lysidas posted:

12.04.1 is out.

Ubuntu (desktop/server)
Kubuntu
Xubuntu

I've been zsyncing my 12.04 CD images; looks like about 40% of each file needs to be replaced.

(Different subject: I also zsync the Quantal ISOs every day, and the last two daily builds have replaced almost the entire CD image for both Ubuntu and Kubuntu.)

Stupid question time, I'm running 12.04 right now. How do I update to 12.04.1? I ran all the updates and lsb shows:

Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
Release: 12.04
Codename: precise

Am I already upgraded? Hurr... I am sorry if I am stupid. I'm coming from SUSE.

angrytech
Jun 26, 2009

Crayvex posted:

Stupid question time, I'm running 12.04 right now. How do I update to 12.04.1? I ran all the updates and lsb shows:

Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
Release: 12.04
Codename: precise

Am I already upgraded? Hurr... I am sorry if I am stupid. I'm coming from SUSE.

Not a stupid question, but yeah you're up to date.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Lysidas posted:

12.04.1 is out.

Dell users rejoice, the liveCD no longer locks up on boot if you have a Broadcom B43 wireless chipset! :toot:

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Crayvex posted:

Stupid question time, I'm running 12.04 right now. How do I update to 12.04.1? I ran all the updates and lsb shows:

Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
Release: 12.04
Codename: precise

Am I already upgraded? Hurr... I am sorry if I am stupid. I'm coming from SUSE.
Ubuntu doesn't pool updates into explicit downloadable "service packs"; they're simply released by update manager as they become available. All the point releases are is a reminting of the CDs* (which is especially useful to capture install-critical fixes, such as the above mentioned Broadcom bug)


*also cloud images

Crayvex
Dec 15, 2005

Morons! I have morons on my payroll!
Thanks for the clarifications, everyone. I hope that this takes care of my intermittent wireless issues. It will just stop being able to authenticate to my WPA2-PSK home network. I have to delete the wireless config and power off the machine and then upon reboot I can config it and it work fine...for awhile.

I'm doing tons of stuff with ettercap, sslstrip, and Kismet so I thought maybe that had something to do with it even though it shouldn't. Messing around with ARP tables and IP-forwarding shouldn't have any affect on associating with a wireless network.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001

Lysidas posted:

12.04.1 is out.

I didn't see any announcements or anything. I just noticed my 12.04 servers updated to 12.04.01 last week, and my 10.04.4 servers started alerting me to upgrade...

quote:

New release 'precise' available.
Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.

dont skimp on the shrimp
Apr 23, 2008

:coffee:

Crayvex posted:

Thanks for the clarifications, everyone. I hope that this takes care of my intermittent wireless issues. It will just stop being able to authenticate to my WPA2-PSK home network. I have to delete the wireless config and power off the machine and then upon reboot I can config it and it work fine...for awhile.

I'm doing tons of stuff with ettercap, sslstrip, and Kismet so I thought maybe that had something to do with it even though it shouldn't. Messing around with ARP tables and IP-forwarding shouldn't have any affect on associating with a wireless network.
You could also try playing around with the wl driver too if you have a broadcom card.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Xenomorph posted:

I didn't see any announcements or anything. I just noticed my 12.04 servers updated to 12.04.01 last week, and my 10.04.4 servers started alerting me to upgrade...

FWIW they did sound out an announcement to the ubuntu-announce list, and I assume posted it somewhere on their site.

They were waiting for the .1 release before giving users the upgrade prompt from within the OS.

Edit: Also, don't be an idiot like me. Read the release notes. I just spent a really embarrassing amount of time wondering why the gently caress DNS resolution didn't work. Turns out you can't manually write values to resolv.conf anymore!

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 27, 2012

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001

Docjowles posted:

Edit: Also, don't be an idiot like me. Read the release notes. I just spent a really embarrassing amount of time wondering why the gently caress DNS resolution didn't work. Turns out you can't manually write values to resolv.conf anymore!

Aha! I knew this one already!

I had set up a test 12.04 several months ago and kept wondering why networking seemed to die. Every now and then I couldn't even get to Google.com! It looked like resolv.conf kept blanking!

Now we even have DNS settings in /etc/network/interfaces on our 10.04 servers, just in case we upgrade them.

angrytech
Jun 26, 2009
So it looks like 12.10 won't have an alternative install cd. I definitely see where they're coming from: while it does make it more difficult to set up RAID, it also removes a bunch of complexity, which frees them up to make everything else better.

Read
Dec 21, 2010

I didn't see anything about this in the OP or in the thread when I skimmed through it , apologies if it's already been discussed. Could someone give me a quick writeup of why you use Ubuntu over Windows, OSX or another distribution of Linux? Do you consider Ubuntu flatly superior over Windows, or would you only recommend certain people use it? Concrete examples of things that are difficult to achieve in another OS but easy in Ubuntu? Stuff like that.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
It's free, pretty much all the programs I use are free, the gaming I do on my PC (emulation, Minecraft, etc) works fine under Linux, and there's less hassles with viruses and security. That and the software center is so convenient!

I choose Ubuntu because it's the most supported distro for end user things like little apps, games, etc. Chances are if you find something for Linux it's going to have a .deb package available or a launchpad ppa meaning you don't have to compile it from source unless you want to.

I don't hate Windows or anything, Win 7 is pretty dang good, but I'm not a big PC gamer and I don't do like high level graphics stuff where I'd need something other than mtpaint or GIMP. I don't see the point in paying for a Windows license when Ubuntu will do what I want for free.

The few times I've used OSX I haven't liked it, and I'm cheap to begin with so there's no way I'd want to spend the cash to buy a mac to run OSX on.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001
I'm a fan of Ubuntu because it seems like the people behind it want to achieve something. "Linux on the Desktop" just hasn't worked, and Canonical is willing to try anything and everything to make Ubuntu stand out. If there ever is a "year of Linux on the Desktop", Ubuntu will be the distribution people will be using.

Most of my Ubuntu usage is the Server edition. It quickly installs, I paste in some configs, and it's done. It handles our DHCP, DNS, web servers, our ticket system, mailing lists, our wiki/documentation site, our users' web sites, etc. Canonical says they will support their stuff for 5 years, and the support community has been great help. A Google search for "ubuntu" plus whatever I'm working on usually gets me two or three pages where someone else already did what I was trying.

That being said, I honestly cannot use it as my primary Desktop OS. I rely far too much on quirky hardware (usually a TV card with zero Linux support), Microsoft Office (especially Outlook), and current game support. Steam will help with a lot of the game stuff (L4D2), but not Guild Wars 2. :3:

Huggable Bear King
Jan 12, 2006
H.B.K.
I like Ubuntu because it's stable and incredibly powerful. I don't have to worry that much about virus's and security flaws. Windows 7 is nice but nothing about it really wows me, it's a a fine OS but it doesn't feel like it's the best OS that's out there right now. I feel like OSX keeps getting better and better and Ubuntu is such a great alternative to it for PC users. Open source software in general has just gotten awesome. I mean just today I used Filezilla to ghost the hard-drives on our graphics computers at work(I do graphics and IT support for a small sign company) it was great! It backed up my ISO to an external drive so when this hardidrive dies I can restore the existing OS to a new drive and be up and running within an hour. The amount of cool stuff you can do with open source software now is simply amazing.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Read posted:

I didn't see anything about this in the OP or in the thread when I skimmed through it , apologies if it's already been discussed. Could someone give me a quick writeup of why you use Ubuntu over Windows, OSX or another distribution of Linux? Do you consider Ubuntu flatly superior over Windows, or would you only recommend certain people use it? Concrete examples of things that are difficult to achieve in another OS but easy in Ubuntu?
Ubuntu vs Windows or Mac and Ubuntu vs insert other Linux distribution is a battle nobody wins.

That said, there's plenty of reasons to use Linux:

The majority of the software doesn't cost anything. You don't need to buy a $29 upgrade when a new version comes out, and you don't have to buy a $150 copy of Linux when you build a new computer.

The majority of the software is open source. That means if you find a bug in a program or want to change how it works, you can download the source code and make that change. Not that many people do this, however. You're also raging against Microsoft/Apple and benefiting from free software, not just free in price but free as in there are no restrictions on modifiying it for your use (and sharing it with each other).

It's loving UNIX, man. You can do all kinds of cool poo poo you never dreamed about in Windows with a Unix-based or Unix clone operating systems. There's a ton of shells, window managers, and hundreds of little programs that you can cobble together to make amazing stuff out of.

You can customize the gently caress out of it. OS X basically doesn't let you change a single loving thing, Windows lets you change a little bit. Search for 'post your desktop' threads on Linux-related websites and your mind will be blown.

Linux is great to just tinker with. You can spend hours just playing around with stuff, re-installing different versions of it, and learning about it. It's like working on an old car or any other hobby.

Linux is awesome for programming. There's support for so many different languages, many of them built in. Perfect for learning programming, taking computer science classes, and writing programs that do whatever you want. C, C++, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, whatever.

Linux can stripped down to run faster than Windows or OS X on the same hardware. You can get life out of a machine that is too slow to run Windows 7 or Apple quit supporting OS X on.

Linux is great for servers. Web server? File server? Database server? Email server? Linux does all of this, for free. No paying hundreds or thousands of dollars in client access licenses or expensive server software.

Why use Ubuntu specifically?
It's very common, so there's plenty of support out there for it. Chances are, if you're stuck with a problem, someone else already had the same problem and figured it out. If you need help, just go on IRC (https://www.freenode.net), the Ubuntu forums (https://www.ubuntuforums.org), or the Ubuntu Stack Exchange site (https://www.askubuntu.com) That also means there's lots of software out there, specifically for it. You don't have to dick around with a software package, compiling, re-configuring, etc. You literally just find it in the software center and install it.

Bob Morales fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Aug 29, 2012

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


The programming aspect of Linux is something that gets lost on people that don't know it's history.

Linus created Linux as a way to explore the inner workings of the 80386 processor, which is pretty drat cool.

Additionally, the entire kernel is written in C. Not C++, C. Which is pretty awesome, too.

I use Linux a lot as a secondary for work stuff (generally within a VirtualBox VM), since 90% of my job (AIX Administration) is tied into Office (Outlook) and Remedy (ticketing).

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.
Been away from linux for a while. I just put together a new pc for the family, basically just an internet browsing machine. I installed 12.04 and all is well (once I figured out the whole nomodeset thing for my AMD APU ;) ). I have a Dynex Wireless desktop card I want to use with it. Of course there are no drivers for it. I remember in the past MadWifi used to be the default answer for Atheros chipsets (which I believe this card uses). However it seems the project is dead. I tried downloading the last version still available on sourceforge but when I used the make command I got an error saying something about not recognizing my kernel version.

I also tried downloading the ndis wrapper but of course dynex doesnt have just the .inf file on their website.

If anyone wants to take a stab at helping me at this it would be greatly appreciated.


Basically I'm an idiot. I took a close look at the card and found that it uses a Broadcom chipset (4318). Seems pretty straightforward to enable support for that.

vulturesrow fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 29, 2012

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
I wanted to use a Unix OS for programming so my options were Linux or Mac, and the former costs less (for both the OS and third-party apps) and gives me better control and performance. I do miss being able to play things like Battlefield 3, but Valve's support of Linux gaming should help that a lot; and there's always Wine or a proper Windows install for when I really need to use a Windows app (which has yet to come up.)

Schizophrenic Orb
Nov 16, 2009

Intriguing...
I use linux because it's more convenient for me than windows. Whenever I want to do something in windows or linux, I have to download a new program. But in windows, each program wants to run on startup, check for updates all the time, and just slow my computer down. For some things like gaming or printing (hooray for having a lovely dell printer!) I still use windows, but most of the time what I want to do I can do in either windows or linux, and in linux everything seems to work so much faster.

Also I spent a couple hours making a custom theme in linux, which is something that I'm pretty sure you still can't do in windows.

Read
Dec 21, 2010

Thanks everyone for all the responses! I'd tried out Ubuntu a couple years back and wasn't sold, but I think once I clean out some space on this laptop I'm going to give it another run.

Schizophrenic Orb posted:

Also I spent a couple hours making a custom theme in linux, which is something that I'm pretty sure you still can't do in windows.

Would you mind screencapping this and posting it? Just curious.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.
How would I go about making the printer attached to my desktop running Ubuntu being available for all users (Windows 7) on the wireless network ?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Read posted:

Would you mind screencapping this and posting it? Just curious.

Check these out:

http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

vulturesrow posted:

How would I go about making the printer attached to my desktop running Ubuntu being available for all users (Windows 7) on the wireless network ?

Try this

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.
Thanks. Meant to ask this earlier, but is there any reason not to use the 64 bit version of Pangolin?

angrytech
Jun 26, 2009

vulturesrow posted:

Thanks. Meant to ask this earlier, but is there any reason not to use the 64 bit version of Pangolin?

I generally always use x64 unless there's a problem that requires x86. Generally it's either driver issues or a 32 bit processor, but I haven't run into that for years now.

dont skimp on the shrimp
Apr 23, 2008

:coffee:

angrytech posted:

I generally always use x64 unless there's a problem that requires x86. Generally it's either driver issues or a 32 bit processor, but I haven't run into that for years now.
Wine can be finicky too, depending on distro of choice.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
The majority of the 64 bit compatibility issues seem to be ironed out, I've been using the 64-bit distro since 8 something, don't remember if it was .04 or .10. It used to suck jumping through hoops to get Flash and such working, now it's mostly random obscure programs or drivers that were only compiled for x86 and haven't been updated in yonks.

Schizophrenic Orb
Nov 16, 2009

Intriguing...

Read posted:

Thanks everyone for all the responses! I'd tried out Ubuntu a couple years back and wasn't sold, but I think once I clean out some space on this laptop I'm going to give it another run.


Would you mind screencapping this and posting it? Just curious.

Sure no problem. A good part of it is from this theme but I had to modify the gtk-3.0 theme from the default high contrast inverse theme that comes in Ubuntu. Firefox is the native theme with just a couple files changed to remove gradients. Something Awful matches my theme using greasemonkey. I also edited files to customize the unity theme.

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Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.

Schizophrenic Orb posted:

Sure no problem. A good part of it is from this theme but I had to modify the gtk-3.0 theme from the default high contrast inverse theme that comes in Ubuntu. Firefox is the native theme with just a couple files changed to remove gradients. Something Awful matches my theme using greasemonkey. I also edited files to customize the unity theme.


Do you miss the days of green and black CRT displays or something?

angrytech
Jun 26, 2009

Nystral posted:

Do you miss the days of green and black CRT displays or something?

Don't you?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Nystral posted:

Do you miss the days of green and black CRT displays or something?

Reminds me of looking up books on DYNIX at the library. I always thought there was some secret way to break into those, get into UNIX, and get the 'net.

The Merkinman
Apr 22, 2007

I sell only quality merkins. What is a merkin you ask? Why, it's a wig for your genitals!
No one here has been to YOSPOS?

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Zom Aur posted:

Wine can be finicky too, depending on distro of choice.

How would you say Wine in Ubuntu compares?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

ShadowHawk posted:

How would you say Wine in Ubuntu compares?

Wine in Ubuntu is mostly fine. Just add the WineHQ PPA for the latest unstable build if you want additional game compatibility with the possibility of "not stable enough to be left on it's own for a week" issues.

I expect that I'll be moving back from Debian with 12.10 since a GNOME-based spin is coming and Valve is supporting Ubuntu first with the eventual Linux Steam. I do love rolling updates instead of a whole new version with changed default packages coming at me constantly (hello, Rhythmbox-Banshee-Rhythmbox), but I'll just learn to live since I guess that's a regular part of a consumer-oriented distro.

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dont skimp on the shrimp
Apr 23, 2008

:coffee:

ShadowHawk posted:

How would you say Wine in Ubuntu compares?
Oh right, we're in the ubuntu thread. :shobon:

I haven't actually used it in 64-bit ubuntu at all, so I can't say. My experience was mostly based on 64-bit arch.



I've actually started dualbooting with the 12.10 alpha, and unity has kinda grown on me to be honest. I like the way you can do most things just by keyboard hotkeys.

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