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iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd
Sweet pictures!

Couple comments....

dayman posted:


The aircraft powered by the Wright engine, an SNJ/SBD Dauntless

The SNJ was what the Navy called the T-6 advanced trainer...completely different from the SBD. Also the T-6/SNJ was powered by the P&W R-1340 Wasp (but the SBD was in fact powered by that Wright).

dayman posted:


Army trainer glider. This was the first flying thing cadets soloed in. Somewhat puzzling considering gliders are very different to fly from powered aircraft.

The USAF still does something sort of like this in that cadets at the Academy still train in gliders (they have the option of either gliders or jumping). It's not really part of the pilot training syllabus, since everyone does it regardless of whether or not they are going to go on to fly as a job (and in fact the pilot training pipeline starts with something called IFS where you are trained to fly a simple prop aircraft) but it's basically intended to introduce people to the concept of flying in a very cheap and simple fashion, even if it is completely different from flying a powered aircraft. I would imagine that the idea with the USAAF doing it during WWII was much the same thing, especially considering that airplanes were still very much a "new-fangled" concept at the time so it would be likely that a much larger number of cadets would be completely clueless as to the basics of flight.

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dayman
Mar 12, 2009

Is it a yes, or...

iyaayas01 posted:

The SNJ was what the Navy called the T-6 advanced trainer...completely different from the SBD. Also the T-6/SNJ was powered by the P&W R-1340 Wasp (but the SBD was in fact powered by that Wright).

Oops, I should have paid more attention. I was going over the pictures later and just assumed the identity of the craft. I'll go back and edit.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Those are some awesome pics, I need to get down to Virginia Beach sometime.

dayman posted:


1911 Wright EX Flyer. This plane was famously used as the first plane to cross the continental United States (The whole US at the time). The pilot navigated by rails for two reasons. Firstly it was an easy, straight navigable feature and, secondly, the plane constantly broke down and needed spare parts. Apparently by the time the plane reached the west coast, only 3 original parts remained. I'm unsure if this includes the pilot.

That's a similar model, but it's not the actual Vin Fiz Flyer - she's still in the Smithsonian Air & Space. I thought Vin Fiz was the only Wright EX model produced but I might be mistaken.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
What camera/lense were those shots taken with?

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!
So, I was in Tucson on Wednesday. Entirely for the purpose of visiting the local scrap yards. I'll get to that later, but first some AMARG porn!

I'm terrified of when this:

72-1874 Head On by Powercube, on Flickr
is going to get the chop. After all, they cut up the YC-15 in place a few months back.

The tour guide insisted this belonged to NASA:

N910SF by Powercube, on Flickr
Apparently it is actually the carrier of some obscure next gen sensor array that pops back and forth from DMA about as often as it changes hands.

And now for some good ole destruction:

56-3612 by Powercube, on Flickr


56-3643 by Powercube, on Flickr


131890 by Powercube, on Flickr
The above HU-16A has been sitting just outside the perimeter fence of DMI for at least 15 years according to photographic record.

The full set is being updated as I sort through my mountain of photos...

Powercube fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Aug 27, 2012

Rorac
Aug 19, 2011

dayman posted:


Here's a B-17 they had parked out back.

To me, even though it's well past it's prime this looks like it's still ready to go out and gently caress somebody's day up. I'm not sure what it is exactly but it's there.

dayman
Mar 12, 2009

Is it a yes, or...

Terrifying Effigies posted:

Those are some awesome pics, I need to get down to Virginia Beach sometime.


That's a similar model, but it's not the actual Vin Fiz Flyer - she's still in the Smithsonian Air & Space. I thought Vin Fiz was the only Wright EX model produced but I might be mistaken.



Yes you are correct. It was done as part of a soft drink promotion, I guess Red Bull reached way back for their inspiration when it comes to sponsorship.

Rorac posted:

To me, even though it's well past it's prime this looks like it's still ready to go out and gently caress somebody's day up. I'm not sure what it is exactly but it's there.
I'm fairly certain that Fort is airworthy so add a crew, a few thousand 50 caliber rounds, and a few thousand pounds of bombs and she could.

Captain Apollo posted:

What camera/lense were those shots taken with?
All I know is it's a Nikon DSLR. Most likely with the stock lense. We borrowed it from my step-mother.

dayman fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Aug 27, 2012

Bugsmasher
May 3, 2004

So this came to Calgary for the weekend:


B-17G Sentimental Journey by BigtimeYYC, on Flickr


B-17G Sentimental Journey by BigtimeYYC, on Flickr

So awesome, first time I've seen a B-17 in flight.

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

Rorac posted:

To me, even though it's well past it's prime this looks like it's still ready to go out and gently caress somebody's day up. I'm not sure what it is exactly but it's there.

It's the oil leaks beneath each engine.

CroatianAlzheimers
Jun 15, 2009

I can't remember why I'm mad at you...


Powercube posted:

So, I was in Tucson on Wednesday. Entirely for the purpose of visiting the local scrap yards. I'll get to that later, but first some AMARG porn!

I'm terrified of when this:

72-1874 Head On by Powercube, on Flickr
is going to get the chop. After all, they cut up the YC-15 in place a few months back.

What is that?

Leviathor
Mar 1, 2002


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YC-14

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!

Exactly. The other one is about two miles away from it at the Pima Air and Space Museum. Back to AMARG oddities though

163050 by Powercube, on Flickr
This is the only EC-24A. An aircraft constructed entirely to mimic a Soviet ECM platform and used to train carrier battle groups in methods of burning through the jamming.


85-1596 by Powercube, on Flickr
A Fairchild T-46A. The last aircraft Fairchild built that actually flew.


91-0105 by Powercube, on Flickr
This is an Alenia C-27A. I thought most of these were still in service with the U.S State Department. Guess I was wrong.


59-1518 by Powercube, on Flickr

This C-135K was used as a VIP aircraft, despite its lack of windows.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Powercube posted:

This C-135K was used as a VIP aircraft, despite its lack of windows.
Some VIPs are quite ugly.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Powercube posted:


91-0105 by Powercube, on Flickr
This is an Alenia C-27A. I thought most of these were still in service with the U.S State Department. Guess I was wrong.

C-27A was only a little less embarrassing a program than the C-27J! Hoooray!

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!

Cygni posted:

C-27A was only a little less embarrassing a program than the C-27J! Hoooray!

Oh? I have absolutely no idea about the original Spartan clusterfuck. What happened?

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Powercube posted:

Oh? I have absolutely no idea about the original Spartan clusterfuck. What happened?

Pretty much the same thing with the J.

'Hey, were gonna buy a lot of these drat things! Ok maybe only a few. Ok, a handful so that we have no economies of scale. GEEZE these thing are pricey to run now! Aw gently caress it, even though they are still new airframes just fuckin' throw em away'

The A's at least got 5-6 years of actual use, though. A lot of the J frames are going to end up with like 1 year of use.

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!

Cygni posted:

Pretty much the same thing with the J.

'Hey, were gonna buy a lot of these drat things! Ok maybe only a few. Ok, a handful so that we have no economies of scale. GEEZE these thing are pricey to run now! Aw gently caress it, even though they are still new airframes just fuckin' throw em away'

The A's at least got 5-6 years of actual use, though. A lot of the J frames are going to end up with like 1 year of use.

Ehhh, I bet we sell them to our allies at a loss before we toss them away. But if you have an idea of when they'll be joining the 309th- let me know and I'll get a shot of them before they cross the bridge of no return.

Edited for more scrap shots:

APSA Convair 990 by Powercube, on Flickr

Powercube fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 27, 2012

Rorac
Aug 19, 2011

Lightbulb Out posted:

It's the oil leaks beneath each engine.


:aaaaa:

I did not even notice that the first time I saw it. I guess I just thought those were shadows and thus unimportant.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

This got linked in #flightsim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5aMT9MBfZI

:stonk:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That came up earlier in the thread, but it's so loving crazy it should probably come back every 50 pages or so. That guy that grabbed the cable probably felt like such an rear end.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Bugsmasher posted:

So this came to Calgary for the weekend:


B-17G Sentimental Journey by BigtimeYYC, on Flickr


B-17G Sentimental Journey by BigtimeYYC, on Flickr

So awesome, first time I've seen a B-17 in flight.

Calgary? drat, she gets around. She's stationed somewhat near my house and have had her fly over a few times.

:allears:

Bugsmasher
May 3, 2004

Maker Of Shoes posted:

Calgary? drat, she gets around. She's stationed somewhat near my house and have had her fly over a few times.

:allears:

Yeah she does. I last saw her up here in 2005, making a fuel stop on the way to a show somewhere. She came in for the weekend from Cranbrook, BC and left this morning for the Edmonton area.

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.


:britain:

meltie fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 27, 2012

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

You know it's a sleek bomber when it looks exactly like a fighter in a wide angle shot.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Powercube posted:


85-1596 by Powercube, on Flickr
A Fairchild T-46A. The last aircraft Fairchild built that actually flew.

I love it when planes have large canopies.

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!

A student posted:

I love it when planes have large canopies.

I love it when Fairchild builds anything... even the Fairchild-Dornier 728 :smith:

galliumscan
Dec 25, 2006

Dammit, Jim, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! No, wait...
The NTSB released the proximate cause of the crash of the Galloping Ghost as high speed flutter due to loosening fasteners in the elevator trip tab assembly. There is an amazing amount of data (ie, science) in the docket:

http://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=51746&CFID=256561&CFTOKEN=82086778

with a final report synopsis here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/2012/reno_nv/index.html

The most damming quote from the report summary is:

“In Reno, the fine line between observing risk and being impacted by the consequences when something goes wrong was crossed,” said NTSB Chairman Deborah A. P. Hersman. “The pilots understood the risks they assumed; the spectators assumed their safety had been assessed and addressed.”


galliumscan posted:

(re-post from GBS, to a forum where there might be more enlightened comments)

Re: earlier comment about "airplanes lose their trim tabs all the time"...

Early P-51's were delivered with cloth covered elevators (the moving surface, not the fixed horizontal stabilizer); later versions were retrofitted with metal covered elevators. Cloth covered were used to reduce the incidence of aerodynamic flutter, as they were more naturally damped. The loss of the tab could have indicated that there was a failure due to flutter.

It's also possible (any others know more about this?) that this was a booster tab, used to actually drive the elevator - the control linkage moves the tab down, the elevator moves up in reaction, the plane goes up in response to that. No booster, no elevator.

Captain Postal
Sep 16, 2007

Rorac posted:

:aaaaa:

I did not even notice that the first time I saw it. I guess I just thought those were shadows and thus unimportant.

As the old guys say, it's when they stop leaking that you worry. That means you've run out of oil.

dayman
Mar 12, 2009

Is it a yes, or...

Captain Postal posted:

As the old guys say, it's when they stop leaking that you worry. That means you've run out of oil.

Where does the oil leak from? My best guess would be the back of the crankcase seals or where the propeller shaft exits. The radial planes seemed to all have catch pans so I'm wondering if it's something to do with the normal design of these engines.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

dayman posted:

Where does the oil leak from? My best guess would be the back of the crankcase seals or where the propeller shaft exits. The radial planes seemed to all have catch pans so I'm wondering if it's something to do with the normal design of these engines.

There's a reason that saying has been around for 70 years.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Cygni posted:

C-27A was only a little less embarrassing a program than the C-27J! Hoooray!

I saw two of these in Bagram, had US Army on them.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

dayman posted:

Where does the oil leak from? My best guess would be the back of the crankcase seals or where the propeller shaft exits. The radial planes seemed to all have catch pans so I'm wondering if it's something to do with the normal design of these engines.

The oil lliterally pours out of the bottom cylinders in a radial engine. Most radials use a form of dry-sump lubrication, and with no scavenging in the crankcase, the oil naturally finds its way into the lower cylinder bores. If the valves are open, the oil will drip out the exhaust or into the intake manifold. If the valves are closed, the oil will accumulate, which is why before running the engine, the prop is pulled backwards through a few revolutions.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

CommieGIR posted:

I saw two of these in Bagram, had US Army on them.

The army wants em bad, because its a hell of a lot safer to put stuff in a C-27 and fly it around, than it is to move it by ground convoy through ground that may or may not be full of people that want to kill you.

The air force bought em to keep the army from getting its claws into fixed-wing tactical lift, just like the Caribous in the sixties.

Basically, "You can't have it, but its not a shiny jet, so we don't really want it."

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Captain Postal posted:

As the old guys say, it's when they stop leaking that you worry. That means you've run out of oil.



B-17 gear well behind #2 engine. I had to move very carefully to avoid destroying my clothing.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Aug 29, 2012

angryhampster
Oct 21, 2005

Took this at the Omaha air show over the weekend at Offut AFB:


And here's a video I shot of the Harrier demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpGr4LLEBKk

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


Two weeks until Reno - who's going and where are we meeting up?

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!
Here, have some more oddities!

The Budd RB-1 Conestoga by Powercube, on Flickr
This is a Budd RB-1 Conestoga. 20 were built, but it could not hold a candle to the C-47.

N9995Z by Powercube, on Flickr
A Grumman AF-2S. As far as I can tell, none exist with radomes any more.

55-5118 by Powercube, on Flickr
A North American YF-107A
Last but not least,

124629 by Powercube, on Flickr
A Douglas F3D-2

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

angryhampster posted:

Took this at the Omaha air show over the weekend at Offut AFB:



CHEMTRAILS :tinfoil:

Powercube
Nov 23, 2006

I don't like that dude... I don't like THAT DUDE!
I'm bored posting wrecks. Here's some 787s:


CC-BBA Delivery by Powercube, on Flickr


JA815A by Powercube, on Flickr


N20904's first flight by Powercube, on Flickr

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Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

For some reason, those look so strange to me. My brain didn't realize it was already time to see the 787 in all these liveries.

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