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Aug 31, 2012 09:37
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Fried Chicken posted:This. People credit Abnett for writing the Imperium so that it actually works - how things get done, why people do what they do, etc so it makes a horrible sort of sense rather than being author fiat of "do it or else". ADB does the same for Chaos. You come away understanding how they could decide to turn to Chaos, how things get done, why they do them instead of just being "argle bargle maim kill burn!" I love ADB but I think the first decent Chaos book was probably 'Storm of Iron'. It doesn't quite hold up to some of the HH Chaos books but it showed a pretty good representation of how a Chaos Marine would act and feel. Can't say too much about the other books though. I like Abnett's understanding of the Imperium but I think the Caiaphas Cain series shows a much better slice of Imperial life and is by far the most accessible. It might be tongue in check but the series describes everything from Planetary Goveroers to your general snack sellers in an Imperial city.
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Aug 31, 2012 09:43
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MisterFuzzles posted:23rd Horus Heresy book being written by ADB. Hes got the opening quote and prologue on his site. Angron and Lorgar going about wrecking some Ultramarines that weren't on Calth for the slaughter. I believe Kharn is going to be the main character.
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Aug 31, 2012 14:58
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Kegslayer posted:
I love Ciaphas but my suggestion for anyone diving in is Do NOT chain read more than maybe 3 of em at once. Again, I love it but the repetition gets a bit grating. I understand why it is but when you read about Jurgens body ordor and everything else for the 90th time in the 5th or 6th book it kills the enjoyment slightly. ...Then again I am just weird and stupid so eh.
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Aug 31, 2012 16:29
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:ADB's Night Lords trilogy. Kegslayer posted:I love ADB but I think the first decent Chaos book was probably 'Storm of Iron'. It doesn't quite hold up to some of the HH Chaos books but it showed a pretty good representation of how a Chaos Marine would act and feel. Can't say too much about the other books though. Arquinsiel posted:Possibly go with Ciaphas Cain for a bit of light relief first. You'll need it. Okay thanks for the suggestions. I'll probably look up ABD first given how much good praise his stuff gets. And getting an insight into Chaos would be nice. EyeRChris posted:After the first Gaunts omnibus. Whats the second? Just finished Ravenor and I got time till Pariah comes out. The next one is 'The Saint.'
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Aug 31, 2012 16:45
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MisterFuzzles posted:I love Ciaphas but my suggestion for anyone diving in is Do NOT chain read more than maybe 3 of em at once. Again, I love it but the repetition gets a bit grating. I understand why it is but when you read about Jurgens body ordor and everything else for the 90th time in the 5th or 6th book it kills the enjoyment slightly. I completely agree, all the plots and the storyline is completely cut and paste but it is very easy to read and a nice diversion from your typical bolter porn. Has anyone managed to get a copy of 'Fear to Tread', the new HH book about the Blood Angels? Nemesis and Flight of the Eisenstein were pretty bad so I'm not sure if it's worth getting.
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Aug 31, 2012 16:57
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Arquinsiel posted:Oh hey, look, it just so happens that this guy from the new starter box is in that. That's gotta be a lucky coincidence right? I think this might be a joke but uh, that's not the same guy by a long shot.
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Aug 31, 2012 17:42
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Aug 31, 2012 17:48
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Fellblade posted:I think this might be a joke but uh, that's not the same guy by a long shot.
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Aug 31, 2012 17:59
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Arquinsiel posted:Probably not, but the similarity is striking. I wouldn't put it past GW to do that, given that they'll be releasing a novel about the box set anyway. We can always check then. The guy on the cover is Lorgar what are you even talking about 
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Aug 31, 2012 18:31
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Ok, now I'm just confused since that's clearly a Grey Knight.
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Aug 31, 2012 18:37
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My point is that the miniature looks like a reasonable "add 10k years" aproximation of the artwork, and that GW's novels exist to sell more mans.
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Aug 31, 2012 18:38
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Helicon One posted:Ok, now I'm just confused since that's clearly a Grey Knight. It's a shop. He's poking fun at the blood tide fluff. Pretty terrible joke even if you get it right away.
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Aug 31, 2012 18:59
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Nephilm posted:
Meh, I was bored and the picture was easily shoppable.
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Aug 31, 2012 19:19
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Arquinsiel posted:My point is that the miniature looks like a reasonable "add 10k years" aproximation of the artwork, and that GW's novels exist to sell more mans. So you're saying...space marines in one Warhammer thing have similar art to space marines in another Warhammer thing? Where are you even going with this 
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Aug 31, 2012 19:52
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Trast posted:It's like Abnett got told that trench warfare and demons weren't grim dark enough so he whipped up Cuu in his last draft to put the screws to the reader.
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Aug 31, 2012 20:04
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Baron Bifford posted:What's scarier is that Cuu sounds exactly like the kind of guy who might have been recruited by a Space Marine Chapter. The Space Marines are said to often recruit the most vicious of hive ganger scum (particularly in the older fluff). It depends on chapter; most aim for the strongest on whatever world they have available for recruitment, and in the case that's a hive world, then they'll go for ganger youths. However, once they're in they're subjected to all the rigorous psych screening and indoctrination that makes them proper marines of their chapter. Of course, a proper marine is also up to interpretation on a per chapter basis, which means that anywhere from mild psychopathy to utter disregard for the life of anyone outside the chapter may be acceptable.
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Aug 31, 2012 20:24
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Yes, I suppose every Chapter has its standards. I bet the Salamanders would not want anyone like Cuu. I don't think Cuu is suitable for any Chapter, really, because he's a total dick to his own comrades.
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Kegslayer posted:I completely agree, all the plots and the storyline is completely cut and paste but it is very easy to read and a nice diversion from your typical bolter porn. I got it the other day from Amazon. I forgot I ordered it months ago and it showed up like a birthday surprise. So far, I've only read through the prologue (which is like 40 pages,) so I can't really say much about the book. It's pretty much just explaining how much Sanguinius and Horus are best buds, and how the Blood Angels are starting to realize that the Black Rage is a thing. A little prose-heavy, but typical for the HH books. It's by James Swallow, so I guess your take on it will be dependent on how well you like his previous stuff. Unlike ADB or Abnett, I don't feel a compelling need to voraciously read this book, so it may take me a while. I think I am becoming jaded regarding the BL fiction - if it isn't by the Dynamic Duo, I'm kind of meh about it anymore... 
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Aug 31, 2012 20:42
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Nephilm posted:It depends on chapter; most aim for the strongest on whatever world they have available for recruitment, and in the case that's a hive world, then they'll go for ganger youths. I finished Wrath of Iron a week or so ago and man, the Iron Hands are dicks.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:So you're saying...space marines in one Warhammer thing have similar art to space marines in another Warhammer thing? Where are you even going with this berzerkmonkey posted:and how the Blood Angels are starting to realize that the Black Rage is a thing.
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Arquinsiel posted:But.... how? The Black Rage is the marine being overwhelmed by the memories of Sanguinius' death, caused by taking geneseed from him after that to rebuild the Legion..... *sigh* This has always been a thing, the Blood Angels went crazy fighting a buttload of daemons the first time Sanguinius fought the Bloodthirster who he fucks up on Terra later on. The flaw was always there just only caused by extreme circumstances, his death meant that that extreme circumstance is a memory stuck inside the head of every single Blood Angel, hence the Black Rage of 40k time period.
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Weeeeeellll, yes... that has always been the fluff. Up to this point... Apparently, this might change from the looks of things... Like I said, I've just read the intro, so I'm expecting more explanation.
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As it turns out, the Black Rage has existed from the very beginning. Sanguinus tells Horus that he hasn't told anyone because he doesn't want to be wiped out like the other 2 primarchs.
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Fellblade posted:This has always been a thing, the Blood Angels went crazy fighting a buttload of daemons the first time Sanguinius fought the Bloodthirster who he fucks up on Terra later on. The flaw was always there just only caused by extreme circumstances, his death meant that that extreme circumstance is a memory stuck inside the head of every single Blood Angel, hence the Black Rage of 40k time period.  Sometimes I feel like the Heresy books are just trying to outdo the main line stuff for grimdark, for no real reason.
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MisterFuzzles posted:23rd Horus Heresy book being written by ADB. Hes got the opening quote and prologue on his site. Angron and Lorgar going about wrecking some Ultramarines that weren't on Calth for the slaughter. I believe Kharn is going to be the main character. I hate to dash your hopes, but I'm pretty sure those marines are from the Alpha Legion.
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Arbite posted:I hate to dash your hopes, but I'm pretty sure those marines are from the Alpha Legion. Odd if it is because it isnt my hopes, that is what the books about. That cover is also what ADB has linked as the final cover. Artist must have screwed something up then. MisterFuzzles fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Sep 1, 2012 |
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Those are ultras alright. It's just their shoulderpad trims that have green (probably a company thing), and all their iconography is the omega. Alpha Legion have blue-green helmets and the chained A they had during the Heresy is very distinct.
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Nephilm posted:Those are ultras alright. It's just their shoulderpad trims that have green (probably a company thing), and all their iconography is the omega. Also, Alpha Legionaries openly fighting an opponent? Don't be ridiculous.
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Baron Bifford posted:Yes, I suppose every Chapter has its standards. I bet the Salamanders would not want anyone like Cuu. I don't think Cuu is suitable for any Chapter, really, because he's a total dick to his own comrades. I dunno, the Fists might like him. He's basically a walking pain glove.  And then there's the Marines Malevolent, who are basically World Eaters with better PR.
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Not giving a poo poo about people outside the Chapter is OK so long as you respect your brethren within the Chapter. Cuu can't seem to do even that.
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Baron Bifford posted:What's scarier is that Cuu sounds exactly like the kind of guy who might have been recruited by a Space Marine Chapter. The Space Marines are said to often recruit the most vicious of hive ganger scum (particularly in the older fluff). He'd make a perfect Night Lord.
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Yeah, but come on, there always seems to be that one jackass marine and his cronies in every poorly written SM book. The one who openly disrespects the main character and finds him to be weak because he cares for humanity, or clings to old ways and stuff like that.
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jadebullet posted:Yeah, but come on, there always seems to be that one jackass marine and his cronies in every poorly written SM book. The one who openly disrespects the main character and finds him to be weak because he cares for humanity, or clings to old ways and stuff like that. The thing is, the Marines Malevolent are an entire Chapter of that Marine. Cuu'd get along just fine there.
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Arquinsiel posted:I don't remember it ever being there before now. I could go through the 2nd ed codex here but a) An inherited genetic flaw that has been present from the beginning (i.e. some recessive trait that was missed on the initial genetic coding.) or b) A genetic flaw that somehow magically appeared when a few of them saw their dad get killed (i.e. you see your father die and you get spontaneous cancer.) Personally, if they plan on going this route, it makes more sense and removes the idea of a "magical" genetic flaw that appeared because some Marines saw something.
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It was that they took geneseed from his corpse, so most of the later marines were made with the "magic gene memory" of being dead. It doesn't make sense that way, but it was what it was. Red Thirst I could see being a thing that was always there, but hidden. Black Rage was always a very specific silly thing.
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I'm still pretty new to WH40K so this part has left me a bit confused when reading through the Horus Heresy series: Did the Great Crusade begin only after the 20 primarchs have been found? Or only some of them? On one hand it seems like some of the primarchs know each other very well (Horus and Sanguinius, Fulgrim and Ferrous Manus), and then on the other most of the views towards other primarchs seem like first impressions (Guilliman and Dorn are pompous) or based only with the short time campaigning (Kurze bloodthirsty, Russ a savage, etc).
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I'm still pretty new to WH40K so this part has left me a bit confused when reading through the Horus Heresy series: Did the Great Crusade begin only after the 20 primarchs have been found? Or only some of them? On one hand it seems like some of the primarchs know each other very well (Horus and Sanguinius, Fulgrim and Ferrous Manus), and then on the other most of the views towards other primarchs seem like first impressions (Guilliman and Dorn are pompous) or based only with the short time campaigning (Kurze bloodthirsty, Russ a savage, etc). The Great Crusade began with zero primarchs, they found them along the way, with Horus being the first, and Alpharius the last. The Emperor did have the Legiones Astartes though.
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I'm still pretty new to WH40K so this part has left me a bit confused when reading through the Horus Heresy series: Did the Great Crusade begin only after the 20 primarchs have been found? Or only some of them? On one hand it seems like some of the primarchs know each other very well (Horus and Sanguinius, Fulgrim and Ferrous Manus), and then on the other most of the views towards other primarchs seem like first impressions (Guilliman and Dorn are pompous) or based only with the short time campaigning (Kurze bloodthirsty, Russ a savage, etc). Yeah, it's weird. Up until Deliverance Lost, I'd assumed the 2 missing Primarchs were lost before the start of the HH series, but after all 20 had been found. Then, in DL, Empy mentions the two as being lost when he first meets Corax. And says that Corax has 17 brothers. Seeing as Alpharius was the last to be found, either the Emperor is being optimistic and including Primarchs not yet found, or this Gav Thorpe guy is screwing with continuity. You're right, though, about the Primarch's knowing each other to varying levels. Some were super close, like Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus, and there were strong rivalries and active dislike in there as well (Everyone seems to have loved Horus, though) There's almost two groups in the Crusade, 'bad' and 'good' Primarchs, and that line is not necessarily along the Traitor/Loyalist split either. It's interesting to see them bicker and form cliques like a bunch of children. Personally, I like the  to  relationship Angron and Peturabo are hinted at having.Speaking off, does anyone else want Matthew Farrer to handle all World Eater related stuff? I love ADB as much as the next guy, but After De'Shea is pretty much the best short story the Black Library has ever produced. Read this: http://matthewfarrer.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/after-deshea/ and tell me this guy doesn't give it his all when it comes to coming up with his stories. Some authors seem to have their specific Legions they get to write about, and he's shown himself to be more than capable. I think the World Eaters and Angron are pretty interesting, especially Loyalist/Pre-heresy marines. For all the Space Wolves (  ) arrogant posturing, they weren't the only "controlled aggression and absolute destruction" legion out there.
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