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I'm pretty sure she said something before Kirito cut her off in the novel. That said, I look at Heathcliff and all I can think is the lyrics to that old cartoon.
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Alright, that was just bullshit. "Hey, I was granted a secret skill because I am special", gently caress that poo poo. I liked the series because Kirito would always see the world for the game that it is, and try to exploit the mechanics for maximum efficiency. I would be fine with him gaining his "special power" due to some weird bug that is hard to reproduce or something, but a hidden skill that is randomly assigned to a single player just ruins the whole consistency of the gaming world for me. Oh well, I can still enjoy the fact that both the gung-ho army dude and the self-important guild leader were guys who just a year ago bought a limited edition MMO at launch date 
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Rexides posted:Oh well, I can still enjoy the fact that both the gung-ho army dude and the self-important guild leader were guys who just a year ago bought a limited edition MMO at launch date Having read the light novel, I can see where the anime takes "short cuts" to send the same information to us but with far fewer (or no) words. They don't really explain the ALO (Army) in the anime like the light novel does, but you get the idea pretty much right off. Sindai posted:Yeah, I was pretty disappointed by that too. I'd really started to like Asuna after the way she threatened Kirito with a butter knife last episode. I know in "normal" game guilds, people come and go pretty easily. If you're unhappy with a guild, you open the menu and simply drop the guild membership. Bye bye. If someone doesn't like that, too bad. I would imagine it's pretty different in SAO because of the permanence of things. Reputation is everything in most MMOs as it is, and that's magnified by the SAO situation. As a result, you can leave a guild, but the impact could be extremely detrimental to a player if they leave on bad terms (no groups in the future with that guild, etc. -- even possibly making the person Kill On Sight for any guild member). So, we can assume Asuna has to be very careful. She's likely given a lot to the guild but also benefitted from it. She can leave, but not easily. We do learn later on why Kirito was granted the dual wield unique ability. It makes sense and also sets up the overall tone for the additional light novels involving Kirito and the other VRMMOs he plays.
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Sep 2, 2012 15:00
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She was hugging him for a creepy amount of time.
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Sep 2, 2012 16:53
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Alca posted:She was hugging him for a creepy amount of time.
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"What was the loot???!?!?!" it was me, I am the goonsay
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Sep 2, 2012 18:36
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It's okay, you're not the only one. I was hoping he'd get a second black coat this time, so he could wear both and look twice as cool. 
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Sep 2, 2012 19:43
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AnacondaHL posted:"What was the loot???!?!?!" The novel didn't go into it, only saying that the loot was sold off and the procedes divided between everyone.
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Sep 2, 2012 20:00
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ConanThe3rd posted:The novel didn't go into it, only saying that the loot was sold off and the procedes divided between everyone. Just how Lt. Col. Corbatz would have wanted 
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Sep 2, 2012 20:09
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The dude is overleveled enough to solo a boss on level 74. Nothing he dropped could have been of use.
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Sep 2, 2012 20:25
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Sindai posted:It's okay, you're not the only one. I can't remember where it's noted but he's transmuted the coat four or so times to keep the appearance over armor upgrades. Dexo posted:The dude is overleveled enough to solo a boss on level 74. Well, he didn't quite solo the boss entirely. Goes to show how different the game would be if it wasn't a death game. The reason they progress slowly and do boss fights with tons of people is minimize risk.
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Sep 2, 2012 20:32
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After Kirito defeated the boss, it kept nagging me on how he didn't drink a health potion even though he was at a sliver of health. If he wasn't the main character, I would have expected something to come finish him off.
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Zettace posted:After Kirito defeated the boss, it kept nagging me on how he didn't drink a health potion even though he was at a sliver of health. If he wasn't the main character, I would have expected something to come finish him off. The room had a no crystal trap, which includes healing items, I believe.
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Sep 2, 2012 22:32
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Dexo posted:The dude is overleveled enough to solo a boss on level 74. Yet hes been using the same coat since floor 1. By this I'm assuming this game has less of a level based itemization system like you might be thinking of and more of a system where if it's rare and good enough, it can be used for the rest of the game. Which probably holds true since things like bosses don't respawn.
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Zalgo posted:Yet hes been using the same coat since floor 1. By this I'm assuming this game has less of a level based itemization system like you might be thinking of and more of a system where if it's rare and good enough, it can be used for the rest of the game. Which probably holds true since things like bosses don't respawn. Either way, his coat has been changing slightly, I'm just assuming he's getting these coats and just dying them black every time. Instead of speculating I'll wait for someone who's read the light novels 
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Sep 2, 2012 23:26
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Isn't the coat a cosmetic item? That's why he laughed at the loot on the first dungeon as it wasn't useful at all. I'm guessing that as a cosmetic item it would cover-up any gear he wears. It would also be really useful for hiding his level as his gear wouldn't show.
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Sep 2, 2012 23:42
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Apparently it says somewhere in the novels that he's been using a complicated item combining / creation process to retain the look of his original coat with all his upgraded armour. I don't remember precisely where I read this, though.
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Sep 3, 2012 00:39
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It's mentioned in the side story Sound of Water, Sound of Hammer, that his current coat is the fourth crafted one that he has had made by a tailor. They are considered leather armor and if you watch some of the earlier episodes he has had 5 coats so far including the very first one which was a boss drop. The name of the tailor that has been making his coats is Ashley and she is apparently in the same crafting town as the girl who made his sword. edit: Rereading the chapter the info is from, apparently his current coat is made from black dragon leather and was so hard to make he needed a top level crafter to make it. Myurton fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Sep 3, 2012 |
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Coughing Hobo posted:The room had a no crystal trap, which includes healing items, I believe. Volume 1, Chapter 12 of the light novel: She shoves a healing potion in his mouth. The anime does not show this act. It bothered me too. Honestly, the biggest thing that bothered me is that in the original light novel, while Kirito never actually states this, it indicates that he hid his dual wield ability from everyone. Then, in the side-story and in the anime, we learn that he actually showed it to Liz. I don't know why, but that kind of inconsistency bothers me also. The light novel side story about Liz making his sword was a lot better than in the anime too. When Kirito and Liz fall down the dragon hole, in the anime, it seems like they fell, Kirito grabbed Liz and protected her by falling first and having her land on him. That's what it seemed like to me. In the light novel, he actually digs his sword into the side of the hole to break their fall. In both, they end up at the bottom with significantly reduced HP but alive.
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Dan7el posted:We do learn later on why Kirito was granted the dual wield unique ability. It makes sense and also sets up the overall tone for the additional light novels involving Kirito and the other VRMMOs he plays. Also, I figured by the time he came to his combat regen would already have him back from the verge of death. Wait, that probably only works in combat. They could have easily fit in taking a potion but it didn't bother me much.
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No, but there was a clue for what the requirement was to unlock Dual Wielding in that scene. It just isn't really obvious except in retrospect. Suffice to say, it wasn't something bestowed upon him by a conscious force, and it makes perfect sense when you look at everything.
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I doubt it, but it'd be funny if dual swords just has a level requirement and Kirito just reached it first because he never shares exp and just spends most of his time killing things instead of Socializing or waiting to form a group.
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Sep 3, 2012 04:23
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Obviously you get the skill if you solo long enough because clearly you need the extra sword.
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Alectai posted:No, but there was a clue for what the requirement was to unlock Dual Wielding in that scene. Oh! I've got it, you have to carry a nice 1h around for a while without using it. I can't think of any other potential clues, so spoilered JIC.
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I did some quick scans of the previous episodes, thinking he was inadvertently using his sword ambidextrously, but alas the only shot I saw of him using his sword in his left hand was probably just an animation error. (It was while he was flying through the air fighting the dragon back in the Dragon Poop episode). It's probably something straightforward, like he maxxed his Parry skill or something.
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Dan7el posted:The light novel side story about _____ was a lot better than in the anime too. It gets really absurd when they seem to cut out plot elements then forget that they did it. In episode 7, (novel/anime ep 9 spoilers) the novel side story has Kirito show Lisbeth his dual wielding skill before Asuna comes in. They cut that entire scene out of the anime. Normally I wouldn't care, but then they had to add that extra little scene with Lisbeth in episode 9 where she makes mention about having known about his skill all along. They've already established that Kirito was secretive and implied that he never told anyone of his skill (as volume 1 originally explained). I mean, sure, whatever, you could say that she learned of it later on after episode 7 and we never got to see it. But at that point all you are doing is needlessly writing bad plot where bad plot never existed. If you are going to change the plot, stick with it. Don't keep convoluting things. The light novels weren't perfect, and the side stories written later sometimes slightly contradict the earlier stories. But they should be taking the time to fix these little inconsistencies, not ignoring plot and creating new inconsistencies. I feel the series would have been better if they weren't trying to shove the first Nalin fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Sep 3, 2012 |
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Nalin posted:It gets really absurd when they seem to cut out plot elements then forget that they did it. It's worth noting that to meet production deadlines and episode timeslots, studios sometimes cut parts of scenes from the script out of the broadcast and complete them for DVD release. Not that this necessarily happens universally, and generally the scenes can't really be plot-important, but it is what it is. Maybe it'll be in the Japanese BD/DVD release?
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AnacondaHL posted:I did some quick scans of the previous episodes, thinking he was inadvertently using his sword ambidextrously, but alas the only shot I saw of him using his sword in his left hand was probably just an animation error. (It was while he was flying through the air fighting the dragon back in the Dragon Poop episode). Being ambidextrous in real life is my guess. It's rare enough that only 100 of the original 10000 would have it. Then if you cut that down to only people on the frontlines being capable of learning it before the skill is revealed, that only leaves a few others that could possibly have learned it.
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Nalin posted:It gets really absurd when they seem to cut out plot elements then forget that they did it. In episode 7, (novel/anime ep 9 spoilers) the novel side story has Kirito show Lisbeth his dual wielding skill before Asuna comes in. They cut that entire scene out of the anime. Normally I wouldn't care, but then they had to add that extra little scene with Lisbeth in episode 9 where she makes mention about having known about his skill all along. They've already established that Kirito was secretive and implied that he never told anyone of his skill (as volume 1 originally explained). I mean, sure, whatever, you could say that she learned of it later on after episode 7 and we never got to see it. But at that point all you are doing is needlessly writing bad plot where bad plot never existed. If you are going to change the plot, stick with it. Don't keep convoluting things. They obviously cut that part out because in the novels, the floor 76 boss fight (where said skill is reviewed) comes earlier than the Lizbeth side story. Since the anime is in chronological order instead, they had to cut it out to avoid spoiling it before the point when it was meant to be revealed. But yes, the novels sound interesting. I wish they had a readable translation.
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My main gripe with the series is how unimportant everyone except Kirito feels. Asuna for example was shaping up to be a pretty cool character but then nope now she's just downgraded to girlfriend/female in distress status for the rest of the novel/series. I get that Kirito's the protagonist, but Asuna might as well be some random object Kirito needs to acquire for how important she feels sometimes (this is the entire plot of novels 3-4). Entire characters are set up and given personalities and ambitions and then they just kinda trail off after a while because Kirito showed up and no one's allowed to be better than him, ever. The novels dealing with GGO are a perfect example, the other person the book is centered around is shown to be a very competent player, in the top 30 or so for the whole game but as soon as Kirito shows up it all just goes out the window. Sure, you could argue that it's reasonable in that case given the circumstances but it feels like it happens to everyone.
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Xythar posted:They obviously cut that part out because in the novels, the floor 76 boss fight (where said skill is reviewed) comes earlier than the Lizbeth side story. Since the anime is in chronological order instead, they had to cut it out to avoid spoiling it before the point when it was meant to be revealed. Wrist Watch posted:My main gripe with the series is how unimportant everyone except Kirito feels. Asuna for example was shaping up to be a pretty cool character but then nope now she's just downgraded to girlfriend/female in distress status for the rest of the novel/series.
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Nalin posted:Floor 76? They just beat the 74th floor. Which side story dealt with that event? I don't remember which side story you could be referring to. I meant 74. I believe the entirety of Warmth of the Heart / The Heart's Heat / whatever is a side story from volume 2, isn't it? Where he meets Lizbeth and gets Dark Repluser forged. I could be wrong as I haven't actually read the books, but I was told that in the books it's covered after his ability was already revealed, which means that the events of ep 9 in the show are presented to the reader before the events of ep 7.
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God Books 3 & 4 are amusing. It's always a laugh to me when the Final Boss is defeated due to his own laziness. Plus ALO is a better game. But yeah the plot execution is not very good. Xythar posted:I meant 74. Yes. Volume 1, is the Basic Story. It essentially jumps from episode one to Episode 8. Volume 2, Is a collection of Side Stories. writen after the fact because the first book was too long for the contest the author was writing it for as it stood. V2 contained (The Black Swordsman, Warmth of the Heart, Morning Dew Girl, Red-nosed Reindeer) With Morning Dew Girl being the only one we haven't seen yet as it takes place after these next few episodes. Volumes 3 & 4 are Fairy Dance. Volumes 5 & 6 is Gun Game Online. Volume 7 is Mother's Rosario Volume 8 contains the other two SAO Side Stories we have seen. First Day and A Murder Case in the Area. After that is Alicization, which is some weird story. In Short Kirito probably should stop playing Online Games. Dexo fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Sep 3, 2012 |
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Xythar posted:I meant 74.
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Maybe it's just me, but I thought it would be more dramatic if Kirito had actually died fighting the boss, but was saved by Klein using that one-shot "revive anyone who died (within 10 seconds of death)" item we saw a few episodes back. Or does that item come into play later on?
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I guess technically that item doesn't exist since it was added in a side story after the main one?
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Nalin posted:Yes, that is true. The side story came out in volume 2. I was fine with them removing the scene, since, as you said, it would spoil the reveal. My main complaint was that they then pretended that the scene happened without so much as a "sure, I'll share my secret *fade to black*" in episode 7, which, along with the scene with Asuna in episode 9, would foreshadow the reveal. Instead, they reference the removed scene with a single line of dialog that is out of place in the story. If you are going to remove a scene, remove it. Don't try and make the show confusing to the people watching it. That was probably just an easter egg or a nod to the people that have read the novels. It's not really confusing. It just means that one other person knews that Kirito can Dual Wield.
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Demicol posted:I guess technically that item doesn't exist since it was added in a side story after the main one? There's that, true, but unless they use it later it reeks of wasted potential. The average viewer doesn't know those episodes were from side stories, so if that item isn't used before they defeat the final boss most of the viewers will wonder "So, what about that resurrect item? How come it never showed up again?"
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Myurton posted:It's mentioned in the side story Sound of Water, Sound of Hammer, that his current coat is the fourth crafted one that he has had made by a tailor. They are considered leather armor and if you watch some of the earlier episodes he has had 5 coats so far including the very first one which was a boss drop. The name of the tailor that has been making his coats is Ashley and she is apparently in the same crafting town as the girl who made his sword. Not my image, but here is a comparison of Kirito's outfits. He definitely did change them, even if they were all black coats 
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Tamba posted:Not my image, but here is a comparison of Kirito's outfits. This is interesting considering the setting basicly gives them an excuse to never have the characters change clothing in the slightest. Where other less well produced shows never even consider changing a character's appearance despite the fact that them wearing the same outfit everyday would be rediculous.
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