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Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

prussian advisor posted:

Quick question--I think I'm about halfway through the game based on he stat screen Story Progression indicator, and my Triad experience is lagging well behind Police and especially Face (which is nearly eight.) Is there anything I can do to catch up? I've found police experience can easily be made up by doing drug bust side missions, but if there's an analogous one for triad experience I'm not aware of it. Am I missing something obvious? I don't want to be stuck at like triad level five or something at the end of the game and have little chance of getting 100%. I'd look it up elsewhere but I'm really enjoying the game blind-playing it and would rather not risk any spoilers.

Nope. Get the 15% triad xp bonus outfits ASAP, because missions are the only way.

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ZombyDog
Jul 11, 2001

Ere to fix yer gubbinz

Jerusalem posted:

Was anyone else upset that you only get to hang with Old Salty Crab once, and he only appears twice in the game? :smith:
:zoid: Wei, you're pretty and talented
:c00l: Whaaat?
:zoid: I said you're pretty talented
:c00l: Oh sure, you too Salty.

Sputnik
Jul 21, 2003

I felt like a ninja, and my kung-fu was strong.

Crappy Jack posted:

Nope. Get the 15% triad xp bonus outfits ASAP, because missions are the only way.

Death by 1000 cuts gets you triad experience, even post game (as does the highway shootout). Missions are not the only source.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Sputnik posted:

Death by 1000 cuts gets you triad experience, even post game (as does the highway shootout). Missions are not the only source.

Too bad that required a pre-order/DLC

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.

RandallODim posted:

This is a sentiment I share 100%. I loved the final walk up the Eiffel Tower in The Saboteur, and I loved the final throw down with Big Smile Lee. By that point, you have punched, shot, kicked, stabbed, exploded, beaten and broken more men than any other Triad in existence, even just in the last four missions. Hell, you probably just cut and blasted your way through the entirety of Big Smile Lee's remaining men on your way to him. It's no longer a matter of proving you're a bad enough dude to avenge your sister and Jackie. You did that when you were leaping around a graveyard with a grenade launcher and turning the tide of a full-scale two-front assault on your turf single-handedly. Now it's just a matter of finishing what you came here to do before your death by a thousand cuts (and a shotgun blast) finally catches up to you. And there's just something so satisfying about seeing a brutalized and exhausted Wei still hand Big Smile Lee's rear end to him with a side of ice.

Dammit, now I need to go out and get The Saboteur again. I miss being a pyromaniac Irishman in Nazi France.

I think everyone in this thread, if they haven't already done so, should check out The Saboteur. It's very similar to this game in so many ways. That game was almost killed too, except they canned the dev team right at the end so it ended up being slightly rushed and no chance of a sequel. It was also sniffily dismissed as being just a mashup of other games, despite that being a bloody good thing. In that game's case it was GTA + Assassin's Creed in Nazi occupied Paris. How anyone could see that as a bad thing ...

Like this game it also had a likable protagonist, a decent story, a sense of progression from unlocking perks, and a distinct foreign locale. It's no coincidence that these two games are tied for my favourite single-player sandbox games of all time. The Saboteur even had a button dedicated to making the protagonist light up a cigarette.

Sleeping Dogs and The Saboteur are GTA clones that offer something different and better than GTA games. If you like one, good chance you'll like the other.

Baby Babbeh
Aug 2, 2005

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with Turkeys!!



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The Saboteur even had a button dedicated to making the protagonist light up a cigarette.

I think you just sold me.

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 14 days!

Parkingtigers posted:

The Saboteur even had a button dedicated to making the protagonist light up a cigarette.

Been needing a game to tide me over until October, and here you are with this hot jam.

Nemesis Of Moles
Jul 25, 2007

The Saboteur and this both have this thing where I can't just drive from one street to the next without having to stop and do something else. In Saboteur its planning daring raids and blowing up German weapons depots. In this its finding statues and the like. I dunno, Saboteur rules though. The Black and White/Color thing is a neat gimmick too.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Sputnik posted:

Death by 1000 cuts gets you triad experience, even post game (as does the highway shootout). Missions are not the only source.

Yeah, but a pathetic amount. Past something like Triad Level 6, a full clear of of the Highway DLC gets you something like 1/30th of a level. I guess 1000 cuts could get you more, but I was dead bored of it around 100 kills in so I don't know if there's a ceiling on the number of enemies there.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
The Saboteur also marks all the collectibles on the map. All of them. But when I say collectibles, some of them are V2 launchers you need to blow up. Some of them are things you need to parkour up to view an Assassin's Creed style highpoint. Some of them are Nazi generals that you need to stab/shoot/punch. There are so many hundreds and hundreds of these things you can basically create your own missions. And every single rampage that you go on, well it's not with the cops or rival gang members, it's with the goddamn Nazis and your murder spree is helping to liberate Paris from their evil clutches.

Oh and your safehouse is the Moulin Rouge, compete with burlesque dancers.

Oh and you get to have a fistfight on a burning zeppelin.

Oh and your character says things like "I could eat a nun's arse through a convent door".

You guys should totally play that game. We'll never get a sequel, but we'll always have Paris.

ZombyDog
Jul 11, 2001

Ere to fix yer gubbinz

Parkingtigers posted:

You guys should totally play that game. We'll never get a sequel, but we'll always have Paris.
To be honest The Saboteur doesn't need a sequel, the ending was really satisfying, it does need to be on Steam though.

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Yeah, but a pathetic amount. Past something like Triad Level 6, a full clear of of the Highway DLC gets you something like 1/30th of a level. I guess 1000 cuts could get you more, but I was dead bored of it around 100 kills in so I don't know if there's a ceiling on the number of enemies there.
It doesn't seem like 1000 Cuts gives you signfiicantly more after you max out the Triad triangle meter. You can just kill about 20 dudes and die. I was midway through Triad level 9 when I beat the game, so it took about five rounds of that to max it out.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Parkingtigers posted:

The Saboteur also marks all the collectibles on the map. All of them. But when I say collectibles, some of them are V2 launchers you need to blow up. Some of them are things you need to parkour up to view an Assassin's Creed style highpoint. Some of them are Nazi generals that you need to stab/shoot/punch. There are so many hundreds and hundreds of these things you can basically create your own missions. And every single rampage that you go on, well it's not with the cops or rival gang members, it's with the goddamn Nazis and your murder spree is helping to liberate Paris from their evil clutches.

Oh and your safehouse is the Moulin Rouge, compete with burlesque dancers.

Oh and you get to have a fistfight on a burning zeppelin.

Oh and your character says things like "I could eat a nun's arse through a convent door".

You guys should totally play that game. We'll never get a sequel, but we'll always have Paris.
Guess it's a good thing I bought it back when it was 5 dollars but have yet to play it.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

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Gotta nuke something
Throw in another recommendation for The Sabatouer. Game is just loads of fun. It doesn't break any new ground, isn't the best thing out there, but it's just so drat good in the end. It's like a really good bacon-cheeseburger; not as fancy as some goatcheese and truffle bison burger, and it's hardening your arteries with every bite, but there's very little out there quite as satisfying.

I really liked the stealth stuff on the game too. It has all the best parts of stealth gameplay, but the enemies aren't ultra-aware robots that can spot you if one pixel is poking out of cover. So satisfying to stealth around an outpost, slapping dynamite on everything and then detonating the entire camp in one go.

That, and putting dynamite on your own car and then turning it into an explosive missile that you bail out of at the last second.

HellishWhiskers
Mar 29, 2012

She was an awkward girl

Jerusalem posted:

Was anyone else upset that you only get to hang with Old Salty Crab once, and he only appears twice in the game? :smith:

I really wish we could see some more of that strange, dirty Hong-Kong man with a strangely bostonian accent.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
So what's the best way to grind for money? I kinda blew nearly all my money on clothes...:smith:

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

OldMemes posted:

So what's the best way to grind for money? I kinda blew nearly all my money on clothes...:smith:
Debt collection (Roland in the phone), stealing cars (Tran in the phone), winning races nets quite a bit too. I think also the martial arts clubs give you about 20,000$ when you win. 10,000$ or so for hijacking an armoured car.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Run over every parking meter in Hong Kong. Every last drat one!

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME
Doing all the car theft missions left me with about $1 million in the bank, which was enough to get all the decent cars/bikes to win the races. It's all gravy after that.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
I love hijacking armored cars so much, it's hard to resist doing so at every opportunity. I'll be driving to go on a mission or do a drug bust or have whatever goal in mind, but then I see that big blue truck with the orange shield and am compelled to action hijack it. You get more money with each truck you bring in (not sure what the cap is or if there is one) and gradually you get more police coming after you as soon as you jack one, but that's okay because the real attraction is driving an unstoppable armored box and just smashing the absolute hell out of anything that gets in my way or beside me.

Then of course when I finally do get the police off my I end up getting them back on my nuts when I drive down the wrong side of the highway making puny "civilian" cars fly wildly out of control as I ram each one I see head on.

ChetReckless
Sep 16, 2009

That is precisely the thing to do, Avatar.
I missed the conversation, but my two cents: The Saboteur is one of my favourite games of this generation, full stop. It's visually interesting (selective colour, bringing colour back to areas, etc.), its mechanically competent (maybe not as sophisticated as some, but it gets the job done) and Sean Devlin is one of my favourite protagonists ever. There are around 1300 "ambient freeplay events" (something to blow up, someone to kill, etc.) and getting every single one never really felt like a drag. So much fun.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

ChetReckless posted:

I missed the conversation, but my two cents: The Saboteur is one of my favourite games of this generation, full stop. It's visually interesting (selective colour, bringing colour back to areas, etc.), its mechanically competent (maybe not as sophisticated as some, but it gets the job done) and Sean Devlin is one of my favourite protagonists ever. There are around 1300 "ambient freeplay events" (something to blow up, someone to kill, etc.) and getting every single one never really felt like a drag. So much fun.

Saboteur is like the prequel that Mercenaries never had and I agree with everything you have to say.

I also have to say this: i had even more fun with it than I did with Just Cause 2, and that is not something to be said lightly. Partly because everything you blow up has tangible benefits for you in Saboteur. The less things there are for the Nazis to guard, the easier it is to get around, and this goes double for their sniper towers. The game itself recommends blowing up as much stuff as you can get away with pre-emptively just to make missions easier. That's something that never happens in Just Cause 2.

Doctor Doodler
Feb 14, 2012
Running down a crowded city sidewalk in central, push a guy out of the way, he busts his head on railing, breaks the railing, and falls a short distance to the ground below and dies.

Doctor Doodler fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Sep 4, 2012

Oceanbound
Jan 19, 2008

Time to let the dead be dead.

Jerusalem posted:

Run over every parking meter in Hong Kong. Every last drat one!

Makes you wonder where all the money from the meters come from, considering nobody ever parks there, and whenever you park at one, everyone tells you to pok gai.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

I feel like I'm not 100% getting the melee, but I picked this up and it's pretty great. I sort of wish things were explained a little better, like what exactly a full Face meter does aside from adding some graphical effects and (I think??) giving you some health regen.

Do you eventually start carrying a gun, or is it basically "hey here is a shooting part, and here is a gun for you to use." I haven't run into any in the story, I just happened upon a drug bust that had a hilariously convenient pistol so I'm wondering if that's just how it's going to be.

I will say that the lack of explanation HAS led to some really fun accidental discoveries. "Oh hey, I can throw dudes over this railing? Welp, gonna fill that alley below with bodies!"

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Pharmaskittle posted:

I feel like I'm not 100% getting the melee, but I picked this up and it's pretty great. I sort of wish things were explained a little better, like what exactly a full Face meter does aside from adding some graphical effects and (I think??) giving you some health regen.

A full face meter also allows you to gently caress up those special enemies with your whole array of moves. Grapplers can be grappled, brawlers can be interrupted.

Tunahead
Mar 26, 2010

Pharmaskittle posted:

Do you eventually start carrying a gun, or is it basically "hey here is a shooting part, and here is a gun for you to use." I haven't run into any in the story, I just happened upon a drug bust that had a hilariously convenient pistol so I'm wondering if that's just how it's going to be.

The latter. You can carry guns with you from missions or lockboxes or the trunks of police vehicles once you have the police XP perk for that, but for the most part guns and ammo are super sparse outside of specific missions and generally the game just supplies you with a gun when you need one. And yes, this does apply even to drug busts on such occasions when the guys there are armed. Also guns totally suck against melee dudes so don't bother with that if you have one. Everyone is a gigantic bullet sponge unless you get headshots and good luck doing that when every unarmed person responds to seeing you with a gun by running at you at the speed of sound.

Thievery
Jul 15, 2008

What happens in 3rd Street stays in 3rd Street.

FronzelNeekburm posted:

Doing all the car theft missions left me with about $1 million in the bank, which was enough to get all the decent cars/bikes to win the races. It's all gravy after that.

I'm sure you can get way more than that from Car Theft. Some missions might only give you $20000 but the majority give you nearly $100000 a car, and when you luck out and get $300000 for a limo it's amazing.

edit - ^^^^^ re: guns in melee, no they are the best. I was doing a favour for that racer who always loses races, and went to destroy the winners car. As I got there three guys jumped me, thing is, I had a pistol and am really good at headshots. Also when I tend to have a gun any enemies in melee always do the cower thing and back off.

Thievery fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Sep 4, 2012

Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010

The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

SynthOrange posted:

A full face meter also allows you to gently caress up those special enemies with your whole array of moves. Grapplers can be grappled, brawlers can be interrupted.

Only once you get the unlock.

I believe at the start the face meter just regenerates health and makes enemies mildly frightened of you and easier to attack. As you unlock more it tends to add other things to it too.


Guns are a pretty small part of the game. You never really carry one around for long, although it's pretty easy to get hold of guns if you know where/how. Generally if you don't go actively trying to mug cops or taking them from police cars (cop power up) then you will only commonly encounter them in missions where it wants you to have them.


EDIT:

Tunahead posted:

Also guns totally suck against melee dudes so don't bother with that if you have one. Everyone is a gigantic bullet sponge unless you get headshots and good luck doing that when every unarmed person responds to seeing you with a gun by running at you at the speed of sound.
Nah guns own, you just need to jump kick and stuff to trigger slow mo.

Shanakin fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Sep 4, 2012

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Thievery posted:

Also when I tend to have a gun any enemies in melee always do the cower thing and back off.

I find shattering the arms and legs of their buddies in front of them does that and somehow is far, far more satisfying :)

Seriously, I watch loving all the guys in the background go,"AHHH! :gonk:" as you kick in a leg or wrench an arm out of its socket.

Zaii
Nov 6, 2005

Check it out, I downloaded a little dance!
Well, Sleeping Dogs joins the company of such great games as Saints Row, Just Cause and the Saboteur for titles that I love wandering around aimlessly, collecting inane objects or breaking poo poo.

I enjoyed the storyline, and while it wasn't on par with something like the Yakuza games, I still liked the majority of the characters, pretty well handled. I'm just terrified of how DLC is going to be approached, the lovely cheat code-esque DLC we've had already doesn't instil a great amount of confidence.

Looking forward to Wei Shen and Kazuma Kiryu meeting up and cracking Triad/Yakuza skulls together. It's a crossover made in heaven.

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012

Zaii posted:

I enjoyed the storyline, and while it wasn't on par with something like the Yakuza games, I still liked the majority of the characters, pretty well handled. I'm just terrified of how DLC is going to be approached, the lovely cheat code-esque DLC we've had already doesn't instil a great amount of confidence.

Is there even a way to turn off that DLC once you get it?

Personally it'd be awesome if we got DLC that gave you Triad missions in the style of the Cop missions, where they're not exactly tied to the main story and you can do them whenever. They'd just give you Triad XP (like how Cop missions only give you Cop XP) and they involve things like fighting 18k or other enemy Triads, busting up their drug trafficking/porn/prostitution/whatever businesses, and other fun things. I really want to see a sampan chase scene.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
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Sober posted:

Debt collection (Roland in the phone), stealing cars (Tran in the phone), winning races nets quite a bit too. I think also the martial arts clubs give you about 20,000$ when you win. 10,000$ or so for hijacking an armoured car.

The amount of money you get for armoured cars goes up by 5k every time you do it, to a maximum of 55k.

Syrant
Jun 28, 2006
This post is brought to you by: Goat Bouillabaise.

First 9
Tried to order pork buns last night from local chinese restaurant.


They didn't sell them so I went with steamed dumplings. I will never be whole man.

Nemesis Of Moles
Jul 25, 2007

Syrant posted:

Tried to order pork buns last night from local chinese restaurant.


They didn't sell them so I went with steamed dumplings. I will never be whole man.

WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A PORK BUN IN YOUR HAND

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012

Syrant posted:

Tried to order pork buns last night from local chinese restaurant.


They didn't sell them so I went with steamed dumplings. I will never be whole man.
I think we went over this already in the thread but the pork buns the pork bun guy sells are really shanghai pork dumplings, so you're good.

Doctor Doodler
Feb 14, 2012
"A man who never eats pork buns is never a whole man!"
"My duck has magical healing powers!"
"My curry fish balls will blow your mind!"
"Try my noodles! Best in hong kong!"

Frag Man
Sep 2, 2011
Just gotta chime in on The Sabouteur love. I was hoping for more parkour in this game, but then again you have the WALL-KICK!

Regarding guns: I was kinda sad that you lose your guns at the start of every mission. Being prepared with a ton of guns etc before some missions could make all the difference in GTA3 (And the Mutant Bash in RAGE, jesus...)

I'm also a bit sad to be one of the guys to have the pre-order DLC on Steam. While being able to replay shooting car tires endlessly as a tacticool cop, I kinda wanted to be able to carry the uniform in the main game.

Also, why can't we mix and match parts from the preset outfits? If you select particular parts after an outfit, you can still se Wei with the Just Cause 2 jacket on top of the track pants until you equip it.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Frag Man posted:


Regarding guns: I was kinda sad that you lose your guns at the start of every mission. Being prepared with a ton of guns etc before some missions could make all the difference in GTA3 (And the Mutant Bash in RAGE, jesus...)


The game wasn't really designed around being a gun game though. In any GTA game melee is never an option beyond like an intro mission. The fact that you don't keep your guns between missions allows the developer much more control over how they want a storyline missions to go.

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Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
I enjoyed platting this game so much I'm going to do it all over again on Xbox. Currently just driving around in the retro Triad dragon van listening to the radio and enjoying the view. No regrets, this game is just the best drat thing.

E: Sagittarius FM, retro van, the open highway and a bunch of goon clean drive scores to beat. Absolute bliss. 4:42 on the clock in the end, and good times.

Parkingtigers fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 4, 2012

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