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Schubalts posted:Imagine owned so hard back when it first came out. I was the only person with an Empusa and so many people got creeped out when I would run her up to them and just sit there. Empusa wrecked faces at lower levels, too, so it was practical as well. I still have the little fusion guide I made to beeline for them. I love those scaly, hooved, cat lady things. Man I remember when it first came out too. I managed to get a Jack Frost hat from a random drop and wore it everywhere.
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Morpheus posted:I'm not saying that Kanji is the best character in mechanics, I am saying that he is a tough guy who knits and hits things with a folding chair, and therefore he is the best character period. This is the best way to look at anything.
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Sep 6, 2012 16:43
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Schubalts posted:Imagine owned so hard back when it first came out. I was the only person with an Empusa and so many people got creeped out when I would run her up to them and just sit there. Empusa wrecked faces at lower levels, too, so it was practical as well. I still have the little fusion guide I made to beeline for them. I love those scaly, hooved, cat lady things. Those things are creepy. Real cool dudes roll with a Mizuchi that has been rebirthed way too many times and with a bunch of Ma-Dynes and Spins.  Man, Imagine had such a fun fusion system. You could just create some loving insanely overpowered poo poo. And then you could take it to PVP and stomp on people forever. Or at least until you got chain-Megidolaoned. drat it, now i want to play it again.
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Sep 6, 2012 17:12
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Nate RFB posted:Sadly Yosuke is one of the best all-around characters for combat. Has good physical and magical stats, fastest character, a decent party-wide buff, and even a good single-person heal spell. On the other hand, he has some of the lowest damage output in the game, the worst buff, and Diarama is worse than just using items for single-target healing.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:17
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Lowest? Outside of the MC and Yukiko, I don't think anyone hits harder spell-wise than Yosuke (he even gets a nice Physical too, albeit with no Power Charge). There's basically no reason to not clean up every random battle with Magarudyne if no one is immune to Wind, and most endgame enemies weren't. There's also really no such thing as a "bad" buff.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:22
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Youske was pretty great for Dekaja. Though the problem with using him as a mage was his SP pool was middling at best. While he hit hard he didn't couldn't do nothing but cast. Luckily he had good physicals to make up for it.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:25
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Morpheus posted:I'm not saying that Kanji is the best character in mechanics, I am saying that he is a tough guy who knits and hits things with a folding chair, and therefore he is the best character period. Everyone should use Kanji.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:54
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Stat wise, Yosuke is identical to Gale from DDS, high everything, low luck.
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Sep 6, 2012 21:00
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Nate RFB posted:Lowest? Outside of the MC and Yukiko, I don't think anyone hits harder spell-wise than Yosuke (he even gets a nice Physical too, albeit with no Power Charge). There's basically no reason to not clean up every random battle with Magarudyne if no one is immune to Wind, and most endgame enemies weren't. Against trash, damage dealt with spells barely matters since most enemies will go down with an all out attack. Against bosses, Yosuke is only a little bit better than Naoto and Teddie damage-wise and significantly worse than Kanji, Chie and Yukiko. Masukukaja is probably a waste of a turn to cast. This isn't Nocturne, where bosses have 2-4 actions, a miss removes 3 of them and it lasts until the boss uses Dekaja. Boosting accuracy/evasion relies way to heavily on being lucky and even in the best case scenario you might gain a turn or two by not needing to heal over the course of the entire fight.
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Sep 6, 2012 21:21
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MrAristocrates posted:Everyone should use Kanji. Kanji can't
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Sep 6, 2012 21:37
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W.T. Fits posted:Kanji can't Use both of them.
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Sep 6, 2012 21:50
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WrightOfWay posted:Against trash, damage dealt with spells barely matters since most enemies will go down with an all out attack. Against bosses, Yosuke is only a little bit better than Naoto and Teddie damage-wise and significantly worse than Kanji, Chie and Yukiko. Also to get an all out attack you have to knock everyone down in the first place, which in the end is probably going to use up more SP than just blasting them with one Magarudyne (or Magidyne since Yukiko is basically a nuke) and cleaning up the rest with a few regular attacks. Chie is honestly kind of bad, in that she only has one attack (a Power Charged God Hand). She'd be be close to perfect if she learned some -dyne spells and Matarukaja, though. Thankfully, it seems like Kanji in The Golden is picking up that slack. As it is she's more or less better than Kanji in vanilla P4, but her lack of versatility is really annoying.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:02
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MrAristocrates posted:Use both of them. I used everyone and rotated them out after level ups. 
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Sep 6, 2012 23:08
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It's been said before, but Kanji and Chie could really benefit from swapping movesets. Chie's actually fairly well-rounded stat-wise, but her ice skills top out at Bufula/Mabufu. And Kanji has Maziodyne and Matarukaja and Elec Amp but absolutely no goddamn SP. Either way, I played through enough to use everyone.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:10
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Yeah I rolled with Chie Yukiko and Teddie and obliterated everyone. It was kinda awkward at first having two healer/buffers, but with MC and chie doing all the attacking(with yukiko chiming in from time to time with her crazy damage) I felt really strong with that team.
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YggiDee posted:It's been said before, but Kanji and Chie could really benefit from swapping movesets. Chie's actually fairly well-rounded stat-wise, but her ice skills top out at Bufula/Mabufu. And Kanji has Maziodyne and Matarukaja and Elec Amp but absolutely no goddamn SP. Either way, I played through enough to use everyone. I'm pretty sure Chie actually has less SP than Kanji does by the endgame.  It was still never a problem for me because Kanji mostly just cast Matarukaja and Primal Force. Power Charge in Golden will add a lot to that, though... The GIG posted:I used everyone and rotated them out after level ups. I usually do this too. It doesn't actually take that long due to the way experience scales, but sometimes I'll skip it and just level up Kanji/Teddie/Chie if I just want to get through a playthrough since I know I'm just going to use that party anyway. Arist fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Sep 6, 2012 |
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Sep 6, 2012 23:35
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Nate RFB posted:Chie is honestly kind of bad, in that she only has one attack (a Power Charged God Hand). She'd be be close to perfect if she learned some -dyne spells and Matarukaja, though. Thankfully, it seems like Kanji in The Golden is picking up that slack. As it is she's more or less better than Kanji in vanilla P4, but her lack of versatility is really annoying. Chie can get Bufudyne actualy, though only from doing Bike Dates. ... Which is something. 
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Sep 6, 2012 23:52
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Kanji is going to be a beast in Golden now that he has power charge, literally every boss will die from Primal Force in like three turns.
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The GIG posted:I used everyone and rotated them out after level ups. 'sup. Level up everyone supremacy. 
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Sep 7, 2012 00:03
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And to add to the Chie vs. Kanji debate, I think Chie is more useful for dungeon crawling with her multi enemy attacks. Slap something that raises critical hits on her and bring the pain on a once mores from one dude out of 5 falling down. Not to mention she gets Dragon Hustle in Golden which is a full party Heat Riser 
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Sep 7, 2012 00:12
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The GIG posted:Not to mention she gets Dragon Hustle in Golden which is a full party Heat Riser Seriously? Welp, no reason for her to ever leave my party then.
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ImpAtom posted:Seriously? Welp, no reason for her to ever leave my party then. You have to max her S.Link to get it though. Also it pretty much kills her SP bar, but it's Chie so you really aren't losing much in exchange for being beast for the next 3 turns.
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I am preemptively disappointed that Dragon Hustle won't feature a Kung Fu Hustle esque dance animation
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I have no idea what Lord of Vermilion is (apparently some sort of Japanese arcade CCG?), but it's adding some... interesting versions of Persona characters in its latest update.
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YggiDee posted:It's been said before, but Kanji and Chie could really benefit from swapping movesets. Chie's actually fairly well-rounded stat-wise, but her ice skills top out at Bufula/Mabufu. And Kanji has Maziodyne and Matarukaja and Elec Amp but absolutely no goddamn SP. Either way, I played through enough to use everyone. Chie Power Charge Then Kanji Mataru Break everything. Mataru will wear off on a charge turn.
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Sep 7, 2012 04:01
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Spiffo posted:Chie Power Charge You forgot using Rakunda. Everything is going to die. 
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gtrmp posted:I have no idea what Lord of Vermilion is (apparently some sort of Japanese arcade CCG?), but it's adding some... interesting versions of Persona characters in its latest update. Why the hell is Aigis using Messiah? Could she even use him in FES?
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So here's some P4 Golden screenshots in English. I think they're the first translated ones.
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Dogbutt posted:Why the hell is Aigis using Messiah? Could she even use him in FES? She's supposedly able to according to the Wikia, I don't see why you'd carry Orpheus for so long to do it, though.
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LightningKimba posted:She's supposedly able to according to the Wikia, I don't see why you'd carry Orpheus for so long to do it, though. You can get Orpheus from Shuffle time in the Answer.
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Well, I've finished P4 now and, just as I thought, it killed my desire for P4: the golden. Seriously, after all the grinding I just did only to have the boss kill me with hamon right before the forced death followed by another round of grinding gave me my fill of Atlus bullshit for a while. I suppose I might try Imagine again. I bought a bunch of credits when they were having a massive sale and only just got past the tutorial missions. It seemed just about like any other MMO I've seen. Sure, it's not the best, but it's SMT with other SMT fans.
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So I'm doing a hard mode run on P3P and I've never actually taken the time to checl out the Monad. How do I unlock it and what does it get me, aside from a good place to grind? I'm currently level 45 in late October.
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DeathBySpoon posted:So I'm doing a hard mode run on P3P and I've never actually taken the time to checl out the Monad. How do I unlock it and what does it get me, aside from a good place to grind? I'm currently level 45 in late October. You have to defeat the Reaper after getting Elizabeth's quest and give her the Bloody Button it drops. Once down there, you can fight Elizabeth.
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Playing Devil Survivor, which I started years ago but am finishing now. Two questions; Any advice for beating Belberith? Like, specific demons I should get? I have a maxed out magic stat and some vitality for Anti-most, but get absolutely shredded by his global attacks. Also, is there any new game+ type things?
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Use something with flight/phantasim and stick it on your MC, give him drain Elec and Ice so Belberith heals him and just jump past the cultists to his platform and Force Dance him to death. Have the rest of the team go blitz any skill cracks you want then don't worry about them.
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Anatharon posted:Also, is there any new game+ type things? You unlock some new bosses and fusions in newgame+ as well as an ultimate one right before the end. And you keep all your demons and money I think (It's been a while since I played the original non OC version of DS which I'm almost positive has a different newgame+ transfer system)
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The main character can also move one more space IIRC. You also don't incur a penalty for defeating enemies at a lower level than yourself, which makes grinding a lot easier (as in, you can actually grind as opposed to not being able to do so at all the first time through).
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Sep 9, 2012 20:10
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MrAristocrates posted:You have to defeat the Reaper after getting Elizabeth's quest and give her the Bloody Button it drops. Once down there, you can fight Elizabeth. Is there any other quest I need to look out for to unlock that quest, or will it show up on its own? Kind of like how you only get the next "Bring me a Persona that knows X" quest when you've completed the previous one.
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DeathBySpoon posted:Is there any other quest I need to look out for to unlock that quest, or will it show up on its own? Kind of like how you only get the next "Bring me a Persona that knows X" quest when you've completed the previous one. Nope. You'll get the request in January, by the way. Also, I'm an idiot, you can only fight Elizabeth in NG+. 
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MrAristocrates posted:Nope. You'll get the request in January, by the way. Also, I'm an idiot, you can only fight Elizabeth in NG+. So in that case, is it better to just ignore it on my first run and try on my second run? Also, what about the fights for Margaret? I remember seeing those sometime when I first played this on the PSP but I don't remember what I did to unlock them.
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