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Thermopyle posted:I have to wonder what the point of 4G is when you're only downloading 250MB/month. I get my Angry Birds in 3 seconds instead of 6.
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Yeah, you wouldn't be using that access to stream (likely why they added the 32gb of local storage) but that would cover almost all "normal" access and make features like X-Ray work while watching a locally stored movie. Also, I wonder if it's LTE only or has a 3G fall back. I'm going to go with LTE only and that's why they managed to score a deal. The LTE networks are less congested.
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Crackbone posted:Yeah, I know, I mistyped. Still, that's dirt cheap and covers all but heavy users. Um, last time I traveled with my iPad data on with wifi available many places, and I used about that in half a week and I'm hardly a heavy user by any stretch.
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Thermopyle posted:I have to wonder what the point of 4G is when you're only downloading 250MB/month. Why not? Would you prefer it be 3G?
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I'm sure there will be data plans for heavy users, or at the least, overage fees.
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Sep 6, 2012 19:58
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BonoMan posted:Not terribly since most of your usage will probably fall into WiFi. Maybe, but watch one movie on LTE and you're probably at your limit for the month.
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Sep 6, 2012 19:58
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I'd be shocked if there wasn't an option to buy an extra gig of data for 15-20 bucks in a month. Gives a solid backbone for casual email checkers at an extremely reasonable price. Amazon is really giving this a hell of an effort.
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Sep 6, 2012 19:59
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Crackbone posted:Why not? Would you prefer it be 3G? No, but I'm wondering why you'd buy the 4G one when you're limited to 250MB. Though, on second thought, I guess there's going to be overage fees or something like Cartoon Man mentions.
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Endless Mike posted:Um, last time I traveled with my iPad data on with wifi available many places, and I used about that in half a week and I'm hardly a heavy user by any stretch. If you're doing 250MB in half a week, yeah you are a heavy user. Besides, it's loving $50 a YEAR. ATT charges $14.99 a month for the same amount. How are people finding ways to bitch about this?
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Sep 6, 2012 20:00
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Thermopyle posted:I have to wonder what the point of 4G is when you're only downloading 250MB/month. Surfing the forums while at the beach 
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the littlest prince posted:Maybe, but watch one movie on LTE and you're probably at your limit for the month. You wouldn't be able to watch even one movie and I'm betting that the software doesn't let you stream movies like that over the LTE connection. The LTE connection is simply there to make all the extra features work when you aren't on wifi (like whispersync and X-ray.)
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the littlest prince posted:Maybe, but watch one movie on LTE and you're probably at your limit for the month.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:00
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bull3964 posted:You wouldn't be able to watch even one movie and I'm betting that the software doesn't let you stream movies like that over the LTE connection. This is probably the right answer. It makes all those background features continue to function, and gives you the added ability to do some minimal surfing and email checking for the low price of $50/year to stay connected.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:03
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SB35 posted:This is probably the right answer. It makes all those background features continue to function, and gives you the added ability to do some minimal surfing and email checking for the low price of $50/year to stay connected. Wonder if they will throw in prime shipping.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:03
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Was there any mention of whose LTE network they're tied to? ATT? VZW? Sprint?
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Sep 6, 2012 20:05
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Crackbone posted:How are people finding ways to bitch about this? No one is bitching about it.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:05
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Crackbone posted:If you're doing 250MB in half a week, yeah you are a heavy user. That's only 2GB/month. Or 60-80MB/day
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Sep 6, 2012 20:08
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Thermopyle posted:No one is bitching about it. Nitpicking then? It's a pretty fantastic price for a wireless data plan.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:11
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Thermopyle posted:No one is bitching about it. More like the impracticality for his/her use case and extrapolating it to everybody. 250MB/mo is more than fine for text/web only. 250MB/mo for $50 is a steal compared to today's pricing. I'm guessing if you need more than that you have to pick a standard AT&T tablet plan.
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Cartoon Man posted:Wonder if they will throw in prime shipping. The data package should be free for Prime members. (Not really, but it would be awesome)
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Sep 6, 2012 20:11
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I'm thinking about the new $69 Kindle. Looks to be the same as the previous Kindle 4 just with some new (software?) features. I'm wondering if these features will be rolled out to those who bought the Kindle 4 already as a software update.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:13
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Crackbone posted:Nitpicking then? It's a pretty fantastic price for a wireless data plan. Not really. For the price hike in models (300 to 500) they should have included it for free.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:15
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I need this clarified goons: the new Kindle touch with paperwhite display apparently has a capacitive screen - does this mean the screen won't react to being touched with my duvet when I'm lying in bed reading stuff?
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Sep 6, 2012 20:16
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At our house, we have the first gen Nook, the Nook Color, and the Nook Simple Touch. Not going to lie, I'm seriously intrigued by the Paperwhite if it has buttons on the side. Anyone want a Nook Color or Simple Touch? 
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Sep 6, 2012 20:17
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EugeneJ posted:Not really. For the price hike in models (300 to 500) they should have included it for free. Apple charges $130 for a wireless radio in their ipads, as well as $100 for 16GB of flash storage. Add in the clearly subsidized data, and you're going to be the only one holding your opinion.
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SB35 posted:I'm thinking about the new $69 Kindle. Looks to be the same as the previous Kindle 4 just with some new (software?) features. I'm wondering if these features will be rolled out to those who bought the Kindle 4 already as a software update. Probably not. Amazon really doesn't update older versions of Kindles.
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EugeneJ posted:Not really. For the price hike in models (300 to 500) they should have included it for free. The difference between an ipad 16G and an ipad 32G LTE is $220, and you still have to pay $15/mo for 250MB.
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Civil posted:Was there any mention of whose LTE network they're tied to? ATT? VZW? Sprint? I'm guessing it'll have to be VZW since ATT's 4G coverage is laughable at this point and Sprint virtually nonexistent. Also to keep the $50 fee in perspective, the value proposition isn't quite as clear cut as it seems. Under the current Verizon Share Everything plan, it only costs $10/month extra to add a tablet to your bill, which is $120/year. Granted that tablet will be using bandwidth out of your total pool, but if you already subscribe to one of the higher data plans then it might not matter. So the real differential is $60/year + whatever additional data you may have to pay for. I believe studies have shown that most people do not use anywhere near their entire monthly limit, so for them there's no additional data cost. The extra $60/year gives you the opportunity to use beyond 250mb at no extra cost (assuming there's enough left in the shared data pool), and depending on the overage charge for the Kindle, it might actually save you money if you're a power user. However I suspect that for the majority of consumers the Kindle's $50/year is still a much better value. What it'll really come down to is if the tablet itself is good quality (for the price) and easy to use. On paper it looks fantastic, I'd admit.
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Kind of sucks about the paperwhite since I just had a new Kindle delivered to me this week as my old one busted, but then again these things are always delayed before you can order them in Canada and I wasn't going to wait months without one. Really tempted to pick up one of those Fires, though.
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Has anyone liveblogged or whatever about whether the paperwhite has page turning buttons on the side? There's no way in hell I'm swiping my greasy man hand across an e-ink screen to turn pages.
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Syrinxx posted:Has anyone liveblogged or whatever about whether the paperwhite has page buttons on the side? There's no way in hell I'm swiping my greasy man hand across an e-ink screen to turn pages. No buttons on it at all EDIT: there's a lock button, that's it.
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Syrinxx posted:Has anyone liveblogged or whatever about whether the paperwhite has page turning buttons on the side? There's no way in hell I'm swiping my greasy man hand across an e-ink screen to turn pages. Looks like a tweaked kTouch. So, no buttons. The screen is matte, so wash your hands and you wont see a thing.
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Allaniis posted:It's the ATT LTE logo, so it's ATT providing the LTE. You aren't kidding! Wow I hope ATT ramps up their LTE expansion soon. Their website claims coverage of 74mm Americans, which is ~20-25% penetration rate (although personally I don't know how much I trust those coverage maps). Many major cities are still missing as well, even if you account for the very recently announced new/planned markets. In that case I hope there's 3G as a backup option, because otherwise I feel many people will be rather disappointed. edit: the value comparison remains the same - since AT&T/Verizon follow very similar cost structure. However this doesn't apply to non-ATT/Verizon folks. Socialism fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 6, 2012 |
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There's a lot of anti-Kindle Touch stuff in the last couple of pages, but as a KT owner I have to say I haven't minded the touchscreen one bit. It makes holding the thing a lot more flexible, because all you have to do to turn the page is be able to touch even the corner. I hardly have any accidental turns from blankets or anything like that, and my screen never really shows much in the way of fingerprints. Having both the touchscreen and the buttons would be great, but the missing buttons really shouldn't be the dealbreaker that some people are making them out to be.
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Yeah you don't actually have to swipe to turn the page...you can just tap anywhere on the right to move a page forward, and left to move a page back.
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Crackbone posted:If you're doing 250MB in half a week, yeah you are a heavy user. That was literally just reading the web because I was concerned with my 2 GB data cap. Maybe a Youtube video or two and no other streaming.
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Allaniis posted:It's the ATT LTE logo, so it's ATT providing the LTE. Well, the original models used Sprint, but there's no chance of going back to that. Socialism posted:In that case I hope there's 3G as a backup option, because otherwise I feel many people will be rather disappointed. I don't think they even make suitable chipsets for it that wouldn't have 3G as well, so don't worry there. RichterIX posted:I hardly have any accidental turns from blankets or anything like that, and my screen never really shows much in the way of fingerprints. And using a non-touch device with real buttons I have 0 accidental turns from things brushing the device and 0 fingerprints, and that's the way I like it. Endless Mike posted:That was literally just reading the web because I was concerned with my 2 GB data cap. Maybe a Youtube video or two and no other streaming. Yeah an average Youtube video is like 22 MB. You watch 10 videos in a month on the device off wifi and it's almost over the cap.
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Install Gentoo posted:And using a non-touch device with real buttons I have 0 accidental turns from things brushing the device and 0 fingerprints, and that's the way I like it. Fair enough on the accidental turns, but if you have to stand in direct sunlight and slowly turn the Kindle until you figure out at what angle you can finally see a fingerprint, I don't think it really counts. The matte screen really doesn't show anything unless you've been sneezing directly onto it. Of course this is SA, where there are semi-regular references to people having to use a razorblade to scrape hand gunk out of the crevices in their game console controllers, so maybe people are right to be worried about the sanctity of any screen they have to physically touch.
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