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What are the best bang-for-buck suspension upgrades for a 2012? Sway bars for the body roll, then some springs? (My wife keeps stealing my somewhat tricked-out z31 because it's more fun.)
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A set of decent shocks.
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Sep 8, 2012 18:12
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what about an eibach pro-kit?
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Sep 8, 2012 22:51
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I'd like to get a Panhard Bar on my '11 GT, but I'm not confident I can put it on myself being not even close to a guru on car tech. I would love to get some suspension mods going, but that is definitely my weakest point of knowledge. Should I go with a $150-200 bar or save my money and go with a more major job?
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Sep 10, 2012 03:16
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I've got a list of questions for either the best or worst idea I've had for a project car in a while (Merkur XR4ti w/ V8 and more): 1. 302's - I've heard they do not handle boost/power very well. Is this true? 2. Barring a 302, I've also been thinking on a 4.6 or 5.4, because I generally like the Mod motors. I'm definitely planning of running boost (via a snail) but which ones can handle boost and which can't? 3. Also thinking of getting a T-56 for a trans and either a live axle or I will try and hunt down a Cobra IRS - thoughts? If all goes well (and I can get the body shell for cheap - it's currently sitting in the salvage yard in town with a rusty snow plow on top of it), stay tuned for the project thread.
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Sep 10, 2012 05:45
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There are probably nicer XR4Ti shells around; they're not terribly valued cars despite the rarity. I know of at least one locally that's been sitting in a parking lot but vaguely looked after for a few years. There's a thread on Hooniverse where a guy is dropping the live axle out of the back of an SVO and swapping it for Cobra IRS; it went fairly easily but had a few little hangups that would annoy me. I'd probably keep the 2.3 turbo since it is a really strong motor, but I can also understand the temptation for a boosted V8.
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Sep 10, 2012 05:53
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Seat Safety Switch posted:There are probably nicer XR4Ti shells around; they're not terribly valued cars despite the rarity. I know of at least one locally that's been sitting in a parking lot but vaguely looked after for a few years. I've heard bad things about the Pinto/Lima I4, though. Curious to see if/how well a Cobra IRS would fit into an XR4ti. Lastly, I live here so getting a whole car is a pain in the rear end. I might be able to get the XR4ti really cheap (like $50) from the salvage yard (and some connections), so fingers crossed.
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Sep 10, 2012 06:13
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:1. 302's - I've heard they do not handle boost/power very well. Is this true? I think it was frozenphil who noted that 302s wouldn't have enjoyed the longevity they've had if they couldn't cheaply get reliable power. You should be able to get 300hp for very very cheap.
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Sep 10, 2012 07:13
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kimbo305 posted:I think it was frozenphil who noted that 302s wouldn't have enjoyed the longevity they've had if they couldn't cheaply get reliable power. You should be able to get 300hp for very very cheap. Absolutely true, but "can they handle power" depends on your definition of power. 300-450hp? All day. Beyond that if you aren't careful they start splitting down the valley.
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Sep 10, 2012 07:19
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:I've got a list of questions for either the best or worst idea I've had for a project car in a while (Merkur XR4ti w/ V8 and more): A 4.6 DOHC can make 650WHP way way way cheaper than a 302 can. Literally any stock 4.6 DOHC with a cobra intake and an appropriately sized turbo will make that level of power. You will need to build a bottom end for it but you can get forged I beams for a pittance, H beams very reasonably and pistons for about the same price as a 302. A 302 can handle around 400-450WHP before the block gets cranky and decides to break up with itself. Everything gets very expensive from there. That said the 302 is much smaller and in the fox chassis cars the k member is the same between the 2.3 and the 302 so its likely a bolt in type setup. The 4.6 DOHC is BIG. Take this with a grain of salt though because IIRC the Xr4tis are not fox chassis cars. Use a Ford 8.8 solid axle and I say this as a person who is using a Mark VIII IRS in his next project. If youre asking questions of this level youre not ready to be fabricating subframes. A solid axle has 4 mounting points + the brakes, is cheap and you can adjust pinion angle very easily. Lord Gaga fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Sep 10, 2012 |
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Sep 10, 2012 07:21
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Sep 10, 2012 16:11
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Why is there an AT&T VRAD in your photo. 
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A.o.D. posted:Why is there an AT&T VRAD in your photo. It's Miami Beach, the local hydrology and geology's not suited to keeping anything big and expensive underground.
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Sep 10, 2012 17:40
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And taking a good photo requires ~effort~
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Sep 10, 2012 18:02
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Lord Gaga posted:And taking a good photo requires ~effort~ Especially when all the spots are full on Sunday night.
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Lord Gaga posted:A 4.6 DOHC can make 650WHP way way way cheaper than a 302 can. Literally any stock 4.6 DOHC with a cobra intake and an appropriately sized turbo will make that level of power. You will need to build a bottom end for it but you can get forged I beams for a pittance, H beams very reasonably and pistons for about the same price as a 302. A 302 can handle around 400-450WHP before the block gets cranky and decides to break up with itself. Everything gets very expensive from there. That said the 302 is much smaller and in the fox chassis cars the k member is the same between the 2.3 and the 302 so its likely a bolt in type setup. The 4.6 DOHC is BIG. Take this with a grain of salt though because IIRC the Xr4tis are not fox chassis cars. Hmmm... I had a chance to think it over: 1. What if I kept/rebuilt/modified the T5 that came with the XR4ti? IIRC, Mustang GT's were sold with a 4.6 and a T5 for about a decade or more. 2. Since the XR4ti came with an IRS, what about swapping out the rear end for an 8.8 from a Cobra and just upgrading the rear suspension with some kit for an XR4ti?
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:Hmmm... I had a chance to think it over: I dont think they ever had T5s, they had T45s and a T5 wont bolt up to the 2.3 bolt pattern which IIRC is the same between the Lima (2.3) and the Windsor (302) but not between the mod motors. Neither the T5 nor the T45 will handle the power level that you will make pretty easily with a turbo on a 4.6 DOHC. Meanwhile you can pretty easily build a 4R70W to hold the kind of power youd make and those did come behind 4.6s, but I digress. Why swap the rear end? Better yet why convert your Merkur to a Mustang GT when you can just buy a Mustang GT? Youre pretty much stuck with a 302 swap for the Merkur without a lot of effort.
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Lord Gaga posted:And taking a good photo requires ~effort~ So does making a terrible Photoshop, but we still got one of those.
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Lord Gaga posted:I dont think they ever had T5s, they had T45s and a T5 wont bolt up to the 2.3 bolt pattern which IIRC is the same between the Lima (2.3) and the Windsor (302) but not between the mod motors. Neither the T5 nor the T45 will handle the power level that you will make pretty easily with a turbo on a 4.6 DOHC. Meanwhile you can pretty easily build a 4R70W to hold the kind of power youd make and those did come behind 4.6s, but I digress. After a bit more digging, XR4's had neither a T5 nor a T45. Guess this thing really was a bad idea - back to the drawing board 
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Sep 11, 2012 12:20
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Well whatever trans IS in there it should bolt up to a 302 except maybe for needing a different input shaft. The 2.3T is known for being pretty stout, since that's whats in there youd probably be best off just building it.
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Sep 11, 2012 14:48
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What were your goals and specifically power goals?
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:
To expand upon what Lord Gaga said, the T5 came behind the 302 from 83-95. The T45 was introduced along with the 4.6 in 1996, and the TR3650 came in 2001 and ran until the MT-82 in 2011. It's confusing because all of these transmission changes occurred mid-generation. It also makes SN-95 cars annoying because the 302 is a better engine than the non-PI 4.6, but the 302 is stuck with the weaker T5.
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Sep 11, 2012 19:30
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Hey guys, can somebody tell me about '71-'73 fastbacks? I've started to get a bit of an itch for one and noticed that they're cheaper than I expected on Craigslist. I understand they're less desirable than the earlier models - is that mostly because of size and weight? examples: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/3267583739.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/3198530233.html I don't really know anything about mustangs
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The big fastbacks are the least desirable, but I've always liked them more than any other generation. The black one looks ok for the price, but that maroon one is waaaaay to expensive. I'd pay no more than $5k for it from those pictures.frozenphil posted:I like SCT, but Diablo makes a good one too. Go with whatever your tuner uses. Not a Mustang, but I have a Diablo for my Ram and it's great, too. Diablo and SCT seem to be the best programmers on the market for a whole range of applications. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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Sep 13, 2012 20:23
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The XR4Ti came with the T-9 transmission which is a very flimsy transmission for performance applications, you wouldn't want to put it behind a V8 even if it was easy to do so.
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Hog Obituary posted:Hey guys, can somebody tell me about '71-'73 fastbacks? I've started to get a bit of an itch for one and noticed that they're cheaper than I expected on Craigslist. I understand they're less desirable than the earlier models - is that mostly because of size and weight? I would probably pickup a 2005+ GT for those prices, well for significantly less then those prices heh Ford.
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Elephanthead posted:I would probably pickup a 2005+ GT for those prices, well for significantly less then those prices heh Ford. but it's not a fastbaaaaaaaaack
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Hog Obituary posted:Hey guys, can somebody tell me about '71-'73 fastbacks? I've started to get a bit of an itch for one and noticed that they're cheaper than I expected on Craigslist. I understand they're less desirable than the earlier models - is that mostly because of size and weight? It's mostly because they are ugly.
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 Is there an  big enough?If you can seriously drive around in one of those, and declare this  ugly, well more power to you I guess... Q_res fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Sep 14, 2012 01:36
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Q_res posted:
Hell yea cheap shots a frozenphil. Now for what a 71-73 Mustang ACTUALLY looks like since thats a boss 302.  Still better than the non terminator new edge, though.
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Lord Gaga posted:Hell yea cheap shots a frozenphil. Ah, I'm just having a little fun with him... Also, that's a Boss 351 (though there was a prototype Boss 302 on that bodystyle), you should have posted a coupe instead of a fastback though. The 71-73 coupes are legitimately horrific looking.
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Q_res posted:Ah, I'm just having a little fun with him... 'cept he was askin' bouts a fast back
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Lord Gaga posted:Well whatever trans IS in there it should bolt up to a 302 except maybe for needing a different input shaft. The 2.3T is known for being pretty stout, since that's whats in there youd probably be best off just building it. Yeah, that 2.3 doesn't appear to be working, that and I've heard varying accounts of good and bad about that engine. I was hoping for an easy V8 switch with big power but the trans likely won't hold it and there is no easy way kimbo305 posted:What were your goals and specifically power goals? I was aiming for 600-700 whp. By the looks of it though, yeah this isn't gonna go. I was even briefly thinking of maybe swapping in a Cosworth YB, but finding one used is drat hard and at the prices I've seen, I might as well import a whole goddamn Sierra or Escort Cosworth RS! lazer_chicken posted:To expand upon what Lord Gaga said, the T5 came behind the 302 from 83-95. The T45 was introduced along with the 4.6 in 1996, and the TR3650 came in 2001 and ran until the MT-82 in 2011. It's confusing because all of these transmission changes occurred mid-generation. Yeah, that's what I was hoping, but... ehnus posted:The XR4Ti came with the T-9 transmission which is a very flimsy transmission for performance applications, you wouldn't want to put it behind a V8 even if it was easy to do so. This is what stopped everything. So yeah, looking to drag me in a Cossie when I have the money to do so... in the next 5+ years.
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The only bad thing I've ever heard about the Turbo Lima is to stay the hell away from the non-intercooled versions. I'm curious, what problems have you heard about? edit: Don't give up on having a V8 XR4ti, a 302 + T5 shouldn't be too difficult since the Sierra came that way in South Africa. Technically the transmission in the Sierra XR8 was the T5G, but the T5 out of a Mustang should be fine I imagine. edit2: I forgot he wanted "600-700 rwhp", with a more realistic power goal it'd be fine. But to each his own. A 302 with 300-350 crank hp in an XR4ti would still be plenty of fun. Q_res fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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What did the quickest car you've ever driven regularly run in the 1/4 mile? Cause your HP goal and your knowledge about cars aren't really lining up to be honest. I think you way way under estimate the cost of building a manual trans car that will make that power with any domestic 5-6 speed transmission. You will need a T56 at minimum. The cheapest motor to do it with is the 4.6 DOHC or LSx but its not really a viable swap. The 4R70W can be built to take a lot of power for pretty cheap but again if youre just starting out, thats probably not going to come together.Q_res posted:The only bad thing I've ever heard about the Turbo Lima is to stay the hell away from the non-intercooled versions. I'm curious, what problems have you heard about? The EFI sucks compared to any modern turbo car. VAM included.
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Soooo hey, here's you're jealous-rage-inducing picture for the day! I give you my upstairs neighbor Trevor Bayne's latest ride, situated conveniently right next to mine!  (yes that is the laguna seca edition, lucky bastard  )e: Taaaaaaarb! posted:I was aiming for 600-700 whp. By the looks of it though, yeah this isn't gonna go. I was even briefly thinking of maybe swapping in a Cosworth YB, but finding one used is drat hard and at the prices I've seen, I might as well import a whole goddamn Sierra or Escort Cosworth RS! Some Random Asshole fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Lord Gaga posted:The EFI sucks compared to any modern turbo car. VAM included. Well, of course, the FI on that engine is over 20 years old. I took him to mean something more along the lines of "shits headgaskets like an Essex V6". Q_res fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Sep 14, 2012 03:34
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Right but it still sucks. Plan on a mega squirt or other stand alone if you want one that doesnt. From what I have heard its worse than the comparable vintage A9L.
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Sep 14, 2012 03:40
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Q_res posted:
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frozenphil posted:Let's do this! Oh, it's on now.   edit: Sorry about that last pic, the ride height fooled me... thought it was a stock New Edge GT.  Joking aside, I did come across this during my image search.  TinEye didn't turn anything up. Could this be the fabled Maverick-based 2nd gen that almost happened instead of the pimped out Pinto we got? Q_res fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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