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Suenteus Po posted:Darksaber. You're a monster.
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If I may (having read about 5 pages of this rather than all 200 given the hour... I'll work my way through it) Is discussion of the Tales of the Jedi comics series (written by Kevin Anderson and Tom Veich) allowed here? Or do i have to go and dig another thread out of the wide world of Something Awful. Personally, I stopped reading the books when the Yuzzan Vong were introduced. Mainly because I saw in the back of the first book a story from the publishing agent along the lines of "Well, we decided we were gonna do a META PLOT!" and then looked at the four books I had, from three different authors, and realized that she was talking complete garbage. Also the removal of Coruscant from the equation as a galactic planet was me no likey. I do think one author that should be added to the "terrible authors" list would be Dave Wolverton. Courtship of Princess Leia is... special. It's a book that feels like it should have had a prequel (and finally got one 15 years later I think) and completely messed with your brain. Although it did give us hot chicks shooting lightning from the backs of Rancors so *shrugs* Final Note: The Old Republic is getting a unique let's play if you wanna sink your teeth into that.
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Sep 6, 2012 03:47
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Calax posted:Is discussion of the Tales of the Jedi comics series (written by Kevin Anderson and Tom Veich) allowed here? Or do i have to go and dig another thread out of the wide world of Something Awful. Why not, its probably the best thing KJA contributed to. I got the 2 vol Dark Horse Omnibus collection a while back. I never cared for the Golden Age of the Sith part, but the archaic lightsabers with belt powerpacks where cool.
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Sep 6, 2012 04:23
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Jigoku San posted:Why not, its probably the best thing KJA contributed to. I got the 2 vol Dark Horse Omnibus collection a while back. I never cared for the Golden Age of the Sith part, but the archaic lightsabers with belt powerpacks where cool. Honestly I preferred a lot of the art that came out of it to the Kotor/TOR stuff that's very.... movie. Actually felt like tech had moved foreward when you saw that Basalisk war Droids were literally giant bugs with guys riding on the outside of it, rather than Xizor's ship with an extra bit. Also, Oron Kira? AWWWWEEEESOOOOMEE!
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Sep 6, 2012 04:31
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Calax posted:Also the removal of Coruscant from the equation as a galactic planet was me no likey. Coruscant was only captured and held by the Vong for like 6 books, and at least one of those featured an incursion by the heroes (including Face!!) to try to get it back. As far as current-EU (Fate of the Jedi and continuing) is concerned, Coruscant is still the seat of government for the GA.
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Sep 6, 2012 05:17
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jivjov posted:Coruscant was only captured and held by the Vong for like 6 books, and at least one of those featured an incursion by the heroes (including Face!!) to try to get it back. As far as current-EU (Fate of the Jedi and continuing) is concerned, Coruscant is still the seat of government for the GA. I basically stopped reading right around the time that the planet had been taken... with the Jedi guy who managed to make himself into some sort of Vong deity... and Borsk Fal'ya going nuclear... *shakes head* I donno... the entire NJO just seemed like Exec1: We need the Empire back to make good stories! Exec2: But they're so cliche, and passe... we need something slightly newer. Exec1: Uhhhhhhhh, can we take a potshot at the "Love all living things" people by having the villains be entirely based around living creatures, but also make them immune to the force? Exec2: BRILLIANT! But how do we start it? Exec1: ... Kill Chewbacca? Kill the family dog? Exec2: Have my babies you GENIUS MAN! Note... the killing the family dog bit? Taken directly from that interview I was talking about in the first book of the NJO.
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Sep 6, 2012 06:33
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Calax posted:I do think one author that should be added to the "terrible authors" list would be Dave Wolverton. Courtship of Princess Leia is... special. It's a book that feels like it should have had a prequel (and finally got one 15 years later I think) and completely messed with your brain. Although it did give us hot chicks shooting lightning from the backs of Rancors so *shrugs* Wolverton also writes fantasy under the name David Farland. I have heard that his Mormon beliefs have influenced his work, but I honestly don't know enough about LDS theology to say whether it's visible in the Star Wars book he's written.
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Sep 6, 2012 10:59
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Metal Loaf posted:Wolverton also writes fantasy under the name David Farland. I have heard that his Mormon beliefs have influenced his work, but I honestly don't know enough about LDS theology to say whether it's visible in the Star Wars book he's written. Gonna go out on a limb and say that it doesn't. Mainly because his only SW book (Courtship) reads like a female power fantasy rather than a Mormon book. I mean it's a bunch of women with force powers, completely dominating the men in their lives (to the point the guys are basically slaves). It takes until Luke shows up that they go "Oh dear! Man has power too!" The other major foreign culture in the book is Hapes. Which is very matriarchal as well... and from everything I've seen of the LDS church, anything matriarchal is an antithesis.
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Sep 6, 2012 20:49
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On a related note, I read The Courtship Of Princess Leia when I was eleven and I thought a "courtship" was meant to be some kind of spacecraft.
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Sep 6, 2012 21:14
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Calax posted:Gonna go out on a limb and say that it doesn't. Mainly because his only SW book (Courtship) reads like a female power fantasy rather than a Mormon book. I mean it's a bunch of women with force powers, completely dominating the men in their lives (to the point the guys are basically slaves). It takes until Luke shows up that they go "Oh dear! Man has power too!" That isn't remotely female power fantasy. It's actually the opposite. It's the cliche "feminazi hell" where the strong powerful male character comes in and 'tames' them.
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Sep 6, 2012 21:15
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Han knocks Leia loving unconscious in the same series.
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Sep 6, 2012 21:42
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SeanBeansShako posted:Han knocks Leia loving unconscious in the same series. 
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Sep 6, 2012 21:51
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Casimir Radon posted:He uses The Gun of Command on her, then stuffs her in the smuggling compartments And then it disappears and is never referenced by anyone ever again. 
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Sep 6, 2012 22:01
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Calax posted:Gonna go out on a limb and say that it doesn't. Mainly because his only SW book (Courtship) reads like a female power fantasy rather than a Mormon book. I mean it's a bunch of women with force powers, completely dominating the men in their lives (to the point the guys are basically slaves). It takes until Luke shows up that they go "Oh dear! Man has power too!" Yeah, like ImpAtom said, I would not call much about the whole Dathomir storyline remotely akin to a female power fantasy. Maybe some dude's dominatrix fantasy, I don't know.
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Sep 6, 2012 22:27
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Casimir Radon posted:He uses The Gun of Command on her, then stuffs her in the smuggling compartments The bedrock of a decades lasting relationship.
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Sep 6, 2012 22:43
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General Battuta posted:Yeah, like ImpAtom said, I would not call much about the whole Dathomir storyline remotely akin to a female power fantasy. Maybe some dude's dominatrix fantasy, I don't know.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:14
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Urdnot Fire posted:What MRA's actually believe, the society. The societies. The fact that you get two of them from nowhere in the same book always seemed like a bit of a red flag to me.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:26
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Ursine Asylum posted:The societies. The fact that you get two of them from nowhere in the same book always seemed like a bit of a red flag to me. Amusingly both Hapes and Dathomir continued to make appearances... Although it seemed like they were toned down. As to the "femenist society" thing. You guys are probably right. Of course we could say we're both right in that it's what a guy with "traditional values" wants a feminist society to be. Also, doesn't Han have somebody literally cause his molars to EXPLODE during that? or was that the prince guy who's trying to get Leia to marry him?
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Sep 7, 2012 04:49
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Calax posted:Amusingly both Hapes and Dathomir continued to make appearances... Although it seemed like they were toned down. I admit to not having read everything (thank god), but I'm pretty sure the only reason they crop up continually is because of bringing Tenel Ka into it during the YJK series. If she weren't there I doubt either of those would have made repeat performances. I could be wrong on that count. And yes, I recall cringing at Han's molar-popping torture porn.
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Sep 7, 2012 07:47
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For those who give a gently caress Karen Traviss has sunk her tainted claws into the Gears Of War franchise EU doing many terrible things including the introduction of government sanctioned rape camps. Traviss. Traviss never changes.
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Sep 8, 2012 23:31
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That's a shame, I liked her earlier Gears novels  Is she required to go off the deepend for every franchise after a few books?
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Sep 8, 2012 23:41
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SeanBeansShako posted:For those who give a gently caress Karen Traviss has sunk her tainted claws into the Gears Of War franchise EU doing many terrible things including the introduction of government sanctioned rape camps.
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Flipswitch posted:Government rape camps? I'm hoping that's slightly tongue in cheek because that sounds pretty disturbing. She grenaded a baby in one of her earlier series of her own works, so I can believe anything.
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Sep 9, 2012 01:10
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Flipswitch posted:Government rape camps? I'm hoping that's slightly tongue in cheek because that sounds pretty disturbing.
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Sep 9, 2012 02:11
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Urdnot Fire posted:That's a shame, I liked her earlier Gears novels Other way around, she brings the crazy to every franchise, and the editors slowly stop being able to contain it.
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Sep 9, 2012 02:14
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Flipswitch posted:Government rape camps? I'm hoping that's slightly tongue in cheek because that sounds pretty disturbing. It isn't. It's supposed to be a DARK FUTURE THING where humanity's numbers are so low that women are obligated to be raped to have kids or something like that. (My friend read the novels so I only know it second-hand.) The female characters who are marines are those who don't/can't have kids I think?
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Sep 9, 2012 02:33
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Yeah, if a womans lady bits aren't good enough for kids in the Gears of War EU they instead get to fight in that hosed up over the top war instead.
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Sep 9, 2012 03:00
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technically... the "baby factory' bit came from Epic rather than Karen... but I'm sure the actual Rapey part of it comes from her. (It was mentioned in Gears 3 game preview). You know it's weird, but there is like 0 sex in Star Wars. Ignoring all the rule 34 porn and fanfics.
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Sep 9, 2012 08:43
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Calax posted:You know it's weird, but there is like 0 sex in Star Wars. Tell that to those of us who came to understand that girls were...interesting via ROTJ and the gold bikini.
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Sep 9, 2012 08:51
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Calax posted:technically... the "baby factory' bit came from Epic rather than Karen... but I'm sure the actual Rapey part of it comes from her. (It was mentioned in Gears 3 game preview). Wasn't there a wookiepedia article that listed of the implied sex scenes from all the EU novels?
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Sep 9, 2012 15:34
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astr0man posted:Wasn't there a wookiepedia article that listed of the implied sex scenes from all the EU novels? Is there anything Wookieepedia won't list. 
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Sep 9, 2012 16:03
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Derek Dominoe posted:Tell that to those of us who came to understand that girls were...interesting via ROTJ and the gold bikini. I believe there was also an art book that came out a year or so ago that had a naked Aayla Secura in it. Also from the Art of the Making of ROTJ book, the original concept art of Oola was really freaky. It had her topless and wearing a ball gag/head harness type thing. In comparison the Leia slave outfit concept art was far tamer than what ended up on screen.
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Sep 9, 2012 21:36
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Pesky Splinter posted:Is there anything Wookieepedia won't list. Although many of those are just "We can have kids! YAY!" type stuff.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Is there anything Wookieepedia won't list. Speaking of terrible things found in Wookiepedia, I was reading up on The Jedi Exile's entry and clicked a link to Wound In The Force and found... Wookiepedia, Wound In The Force posted:The deaths of the crews of the Hapan Royal Navy during the Battle of Fondor were felt by Teneniel Djo and caused her to miscarry her child. Why the gently caress do people think this is an acceptable story device? 
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BigRed0427 posted:Speaking of terrible things found in Wookiepedia, I was reading up on The Jedi Exile's entry and clicked a link to Wound In The Force and found...
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Sep 10, 2012 06:02
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"Move past and force heal"
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Sometimes I wish Wookieepedia could be more like the Transformers Wiki. It has its own version of the "Ruined FOREVER" page, but that's about it and it's been shunted off to some obscure part of the site.
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Ursine Asylum posted:Taking lessons from Buckley and handling it in an equally sober and serious fashion. Oh my God. I am now seeing a version of that comic play out with Isolder and Teneniel in my head. It's a shame Star Wars Tales is gone (hard to believe I'm saying that) as they were the only place in the EU something that loving ridiculous would get published. But I totally want it to be canon now. That comic only with Isolder and Teneniel. And a medical droid, of course.
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Rogue1-and-a-half posted:And a medical droid, of course. Ooba. Ooba. Thank you, Ep3.
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Well... do we want the Oooba ooba droid? Or the one that put Luke in the most redonkulous speedo? ... I'm wondering if the Gun of Command ever made a second appearance in Star Wars. Seems like the sort of thing that'd make Kevin J Anderson and his Death Star/Sun Crusher/World Devestator/Super Torpedo/whatever droool with delight.
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