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HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

Grand Fromage posted:

Rip the paper and unroll it slowly, exposing just a bit of the sandwich at a time. :science:

But then precious, precious sauce gets stuck to the paper, and not in my mouth.

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sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

At least it'll keep the half-ton of lettuce in the sandwich though I guess.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Is every Subway in Taiwan really poorly managed or just mine? They typically don't have any of the popular bread varieties and have even run out of various meats and all of their vegetables, plus different sauces.

I basically can't ever get what I want.

SB35
Jul 6, 2007
Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Is Subway in Taiwan cheap? I mean compared to the local place around the corner. In the mainland eating at subway was always way more expensive. I could get a big bowl of noodles for a 1/6 of the price, or like 15 Chinese pork sandwiches for the price of a footlong sub. A footlong ran about 42 RMB for the cheapest (with meat, not a veggie sub).

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

SB35 posted:

Is Subway in Taiwan cheap? I mean compared to the local place around the corner. In the mainland eating at subway was always way more expensive. I could get a big bowl of noodles for a 1/6 of the price, or like 15 Chinese pork sandwiches for the price of a footlong sub. A footlong ran about 42 RMB for the cheapest (with meat, not a veggie sub).

Compared to the local food its on the expensive side. However, it's pretty much the only place in Taiwan to get a decent sandwich (at least around Taichung) so in my opinion it's worth it. Prices are about $3.75 US for a footlong cheap sandwich.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

SB35 posted:

Is Subway in Taiwan cheap?
It's a little more expensive than McDonald's, IIRC, but yeah, it's still totally more expensive than if you just want a boxed lunch or something.

Haraksha posted:

Is every Subway in Taiwan really poorly managed or just mine?
They seem to vary dramatically. Some are professional and good, others are just loving atrocious, and still others are so bad they become Subbers.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

TetsuoTW posted:

It's a little more expensive than McDonald's, IIRC, but yeah, it's still totally more expensive than if you just want a boxed lunch or something.

They seem to vary dramatically. Some are professional and good, others are just loving atrocious, and still others are so bad they become Subbers.
Subway is for cookies, and maybe a mediocre sandwich to go with them.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

duckfarts posted:

Subway is for cookies, and maybe a mediocre sandwich to go with them.

I agree with this.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer
Some of us make our own cookies :smug:

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


HappyHelmet posted:

Some of us make our own cookies :smug:

I bought loyalty forever by introducing my Korean coworkers to the chocolate chip cookie. :smug:

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

Grand Fromage posted:

I bought loyalty forever by introducing my Korean coworkers to the chocolate chip cookie. :smug:

95% of the people in Taiwan don't even know what a cookie is :(. They have no concept of the difference between a cookie and a crackers because its not in their vocabulary.

If my bakery venture is at all successful hopefully I'll change that :).

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


HappyHelmet posted:

95% of the people in Taiwan don't even know what a cookie is :(. They have no concept of the difference between a cookie and a crackers because its not in their vocabulary.

If my bakery venture is at all successful hopefully I'll change that :).

We have cookies all over the place here, but no chocolate chips and no one has a conception that you can make your own cookies. It was magic.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

HappyHelmet posted:

95% of the people in Taiwan don't even know what a cookie is :(. They have no concept of the difference between a cookie and a crackers because its not in their vocabulary.

If my bakery venture is at all successful hopefully I'll change that :).
FYI: be careful with your selection then; I've made basic chocolate chip cookies and brownies here before(don't know what it is here, but need to cut back on the oil added according to whatever recipe you're using I think), but the comments are very, very frequently "it's so sweet!" in a negative way.

what the gently caress

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Yeah, I had that reaction too but they still obliterated all my cookies. It's so weird, literally all food in Korea has piles of sugar and corn syrup but then you'll get a slice of chocolate cake and it's not sweet at all. :psyduck:

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

duckfarts posted:

FYI: be careful with your selection then; I've made basic chocolate chip cookies and brownies here before(don't know what it is here, but need to cut back on the oil added according to whatever recipe you're using I think), but the comments are very, very frequently "it's so sweet!" in a negative way.

what the gently caress

Mostly its been the opposite. When I've made muffins and things like that the number one complaint has been that they are not sweet enough. I've since started adding more sugar to those kinds of items. The cookies I had no complaints on.

There is definitely a weird cultural thing here in Taiwan (and I guess probably all of East Asia) where everyone bitches about Western foods being too sweet while ignoring the piles of sugar in their own foods.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


One of the best things I saw was when Costco opened here. They have the condiment counter for your hot dogs at the little eatery part. Your options for hot dog toppings are ketchup, mustard, and corn syrup. Just a straight up bottle of corn syrup. I watched someone spray it onto his slice of pizza.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

Grand Fromage posted:

One of the best things I saw was when Costco opened here. They have the condiment counter for your hot dogs at the little eatery part. Your options for hot dog toppings are ketchup, mustard, and corn syrup. Just a straight up bottle of corn syrup. I watched someone spray it onto his slice of pizza.

Do they drizzle simple syrup over all the baked goods in Korea? Thats the big thing here. You go into the bakery, and everything is all shiny because they coat everything in simple syrup.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


HappyHelmet posted:

Do they drizzle simple syrup over all the baked goods in Korea? Thats the big thing here. You go into the bakery, and everything is all shiny because they coat everything in simple syrup.

Yep. And garlic bread (often honey instead of syrup), the weird pizza baguette things, hot dogs, hamburgers. Corn dogs are battered with pancake mix and rolled in sugar. I bought Korean made balsamic vinegar once and it had enough syrup that you could just drink it. Then there's the completely non-sweet chocolate cake with tomatoes on top.

I stopped buying any Korean versions of western stuff, except the rare instances where they do it authentically. Imports or nothing. We have one bakery that makes real bread without added sugar or random hot dogs or red bean or whatever the gently caress, for example.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

Grand Fromage posted:

Yep. And garlic bread (often honey instead of syrup), the weird pizza baguette things, hot dogs, hamburgers. Corn dogs are battered with pancake mix and rolled in sugar. I bought Korean made balsamic vinegar once and it had enough syrup that you could just drink it. Then there's the completely non-sweet chocolate cake with tomatoes on top.

I stopped buying any Korean versions of western stuff, except the rare instances where they do it authentically. Imports or nothing. We have one bakery that makes real bread without added sugar or random hot dogs or red bean or whatever the gently caress, for example.

Sounds almost exactly like it is here. That is why I'm going to try to start a bakery here. As the market is basically empty.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


We have the one real bread bakery, and not too long ago a real pastry shop opened. The chef worked under Thomas Keller when she lived in the US and she provides key lime pie so she is my favorite person in Korea.

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.
Hey dawg we heard you liked bread so we put some pork floss and sweet mayonnaise in your bread.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

Spanish Matlock posted:

Hey dawg we heard you liked bread so we put some pork floss and sweet mayonnaise in your bread.
What? Y'all want hot dog slices and corn? Sheeeeeit, we ahead of the game yo, you think we just a buncha bakin' bustas?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I once had rye bread that was just normal bread dyed purple inside, was sweet, and full of apple chunks.

It wasn't even bad. If it had been sold as "sweet bread with apples in it" I might have even bought it. Why was it called rye bread. :psyduck:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
The Grand Lisboa casino in Macau has a sandwich shop called the crystal something something. Completely authentic but rather pricy deli. They've even got sourdough and Dutch crunch bread. Not only do they have more than one cheese (as Subway does in Hong Kong and the mainland, so presumably Taiwan too), but they have a whole assortment from provolone to white or yellow cheddar. Stanley Ho knows how to outfit his casinos with good food. If you're craving good bread and a real western sandwich, pop over the strait and I'll take the ferry over to meet you because now I'm craving one of those things. They're served with waffle fries too.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Whenever I want to have a cookout, I have to order buns a couple of days in advance to get the kind I want. Otherwise, the only bread available is decked out in sugar and sausages.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

Haraksha posted:

Whenever I want to have a cookout, I have to order buns a couple of days in advance to get the kind I want. Otherwise, the only bread available is decked out in sugar and sausages.
Yeah, that's an annoying one right there; multigrain bread is usually fine, but every loaf of white bread always has that tinge of sweet in it all the drat time, making it weird for sandwiches and such.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

There is a place called Fingaz in Taichung that is as close to an western deli. I don't usually go there, but it is the only place I have seen Dr. Pepper.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

GoutPatrol posted:

There is a place called Fingaz in Taichung that is as close to an western deli. I don't usually go there, but it is the only place I have seen Dr. Pepper.
Fountain? You can find it in a can in department store supermarkets now and then.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*


No. That is the dream though. I haven't seen it anywhere else.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Anyone else notice that City Super and Jason's stopped stocking Mountain Dew and other imported Pepsi products in favor of Shasta.

Oh, whoa is me.

duckfarts posted:

white bread

The worst part about this is that almost every "American Restaurant" in San Xia serves their hamburgers in sweet buns.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

Haraksha posted:

Anyone else notice that City Super and Jason's stopped stocking Mountain Dew and other imported Pepsi products in favor of Shasta.

Oh, whoa is me.


The worst part about this is that almost every "American Restaurant" in San Xia serves their hamburgers in sweet buns.
Family Mart hot dogs and their "salty" hot dog buns.

Bullllllllshiiiiiiiitttt

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.
Carrefour sells a decent enough kind of bread, but you could just make your own. It's really not that hard. As long as you have an oven and the ability to sit on your rear end for about an hour you can make bread.

Inu
Apr 26, 2002

Jump! Jump!


As long as we're having bread chat, I had a surprising experience yesterday. I went to the small supermarket near me for the first time. It's in the basement of a mall (so a little bit fancy), and even though Taiwan is not a bread culture, neither is Japan, and I never had trouble finding loaves of bread in even the smallest, most middle of nowhere local grocery stores there. But when I asked the woman at the cash register where the bread was, she looked at me like I was crazy. "We don't have bread..."

For real? I mean, it's not a big deal. Carbohydrates are carbohydrates, so I just got noodles instead. But it still blew my mind.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I don't immediately know what you are talking about/what you are talking about is slightly unusual -> what you are talking about does not exist and never has, you freak.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru
I was bemoaning my bread experience for a while, but, Carrefour has been pretty reliable and is my goto remedy. I found that late of an evening they usually have end-of-day variety bags with 3-5 loaves bundled together (usually all white, no sugary stuff).

I assume all the other coated-in-sugar, sticky, basically-candy, non-bread is the stuff that actually sells, and so the stuff I like is left until the end of the day hence it gets the bargain-bin treatment.

Anyways, I grab as many as I can carry, and jam it all in the freezer. I currently have 7 loaves of variety bread in my freezer atm (and some 7-11 suntory whiskey).

While we're all foodchat:

Good butter / good margarine?
More importantly good cheese, good pickle.

Wanting to avoid the usual path this conversation goes, I prefer European cheese (Cheddar/Brie/Stilton/Gruyere etc).

url fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Sep 11, 2012

dtb
Feb 1, 2011

I like to traveling world and take pictures of.
Dudes, it's time to get serious here. Sure food is nice and all, but it's not a necessary basic need for life.

There is a roller blade rink in Daan Forest Park. The lights are on until 12am.
Whose got skates and a stick? Let's do this.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

url posted:

While we're all foodchat:

Good butter / good margarine?
More importantly good cheese, good pickle.

Wanting to avoid the usual path this conversation goes, I prefer European cheese (Cheddar/Brie/Stilton/Gruyere etc).

Costco is really the only realistic answer for these things. You can find some of them elsewhere, but its always priced at a premium and usually only available in small quantities.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

url posted:

Good butter / good margarine?
More importantly good cheese, good pickle.

Wanting to avoid the usual path this conversation goes, I prefer European cheese (Cheddar/Brie/Stilton/Gruyere etc).

I get whatever imported lightly salted butter they have at Carrefour. It works fine on my waffles.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat
Butter - just get Lurpak or whatever's in your Wellcome or whatever, it's fine.

Cheese you should go to Costco for bulk, or a department store supermarket for specific types; City Super's selection looks pretty decent.

Pickles, probably Costco; not a pickle man myself.

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Sep 29, 2001




dtb posted:

Dudes, it's time to get serious here. Sure food is nice and all, but it's not a necessary basic need for life.

There is a roller blade rink in Daan Forest Park. The lights are on until 12am.
Whose got skates and a stick? Let's do this.

Who has skates and a stick in Taipei?

Also, man I can't wait till they open up the two new MRT stations there, one at YongKang and one at DaAn Park.

As far as bread goes, I go to a bakery on YongKang, between the YongKang Park and Jinhua Street, called La Petite Pearl. I found it by following the scent of cinnamon. They make some really awesome cinnamon rolls. Just soft sweet bread rolled up and covered in some cinnamon paste, it's awesome and so cinnamon-y it burns a little when you eat it.

The baker was supposedly trained by a french baker, or at least that's what I gather from the mounted 'diploma' on the wall. They've also got loaves of bread that are good and actually breadlike, and some pretty good cheesecake.

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