XyloJW posted:

My aunt posted about REALID and how Obama made it's mandatory for all Americans to have a new photo ID with facial recognition built in, by january 15, 2013. "And then they complain that voter ID laws are racist!" I pointed out that A) it was Bush's law, not Obama's, B) Democrats had lead the fight to repeal it, and C) it doesn't require everyone to have an id, it requires states to install facial recognition software at their ID centers, to stop illegal immigrants and terrorism suspects from obtaining ID's.

She demanded my sources, so I gave her a bunch of reputable links that explain it. So she responds with a bunch of links to infowars, conspiracy blogs, and then the entire 400 page Congressional minutes from the vote to pass the law.

She refused to believe my links so I said "Okay, so do you support this law or not?" "NO!" "So you agree with Obama that this law should be repealed?"

No response.

Sarion posted:

What do people like these do when January 15th rolls around and no one demands to see her ID card with built in facial recognition? I mean its four months away.

Sarion posted:

What do people like these do when January 15th rolls around and no one demands to see her ID card with built in facial recognition? I mean its four months away.

Sarion posted:

What do people like these do when January 15th rolls around and no one demands to see her ID card with built in facial recognition? I mean its four months away.

30.5 Days posted:

Change the date on the email.

Mitchicon posted:

I saw this gem on Facebook today:



It's so dumb I don't even know where to start.

Mitchicon posted:

I saw this gem on Facebook today:



It's so dumb I don't even know where to start.


Edit: I suck at image hosting

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I guess it makes sense if you don't understand that "merge" and "together" are not the same thing.

It's really common in these emails to abuse language to make a point. It's mentally jarring to me when I see it but I guess that's not a universal reaction.

I can't remember the exact phrasing but someone once told me "paying your fair share in taxes" is self contradictory because taxes are forced but to 'share' is to give something freely.

It's jarring to me because the word 'share' switches meaning halfway through the thought.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I guess it makes sense if you don't understand that "merge" and "together" are not the same thing.

It's really common in these emails to abuse language to make a point. It's mentally jarring to me when I see it but I guess that's not a universal reaction.

I can't remember the exact phrasing but someone once told me "paying your fair share in taxes" is self contradictory because taxes are forced but to 'share' is to give something freely.

It's jarring to me because the word 'share' switches meaning halfway through the thought.

CarterUSM posted:

I got in a big argument with some dipshit on Facebook who was pissing and moaning that Labor Day should represent HIM, too, since he certainly labored to build his business!

I explained that he was conflating two different definitions of the word "labor", and that Labor Day was specifically about the labor class (i.e. non-capital owning).

Then he went into a sperglord derail about "moochers" and Ayn Rand and taxes being slavery and such so I got out of there right quick.

It still amazes me, though, that people can't seem to grasp the concept of, "the same word can have different meanings."

Gourd of Taste posted:

Also they spelled Mussolini wrong. That always bothers me with these things, put some goddamn effort into your point.

Mitchicon posted:

I saw this gem on Facebook today:



It's so dumb I don't even know where to start.

CarterUSM posted:

It still amazes me, though, that people can't seem to grasp the concept of, "the same word can have different meanings."

Sarion posted:

They're just being contrarian. Bill Clinton said it, so I must support the opposite!

Sarion posted:

Its a very common tactic. For example:



At the DNC they were using it in the sense of being part of the same group or organization. Like when someone says "I belong to such-and-such Church". They don't mean the Church owns them like property, they mean they're part of that Church. But here they've turned it around to suggest that the Democratic Party thinks the Government owns all citizens.

I also think this plays on the Conservative idea that the Government is a separate entity from the citizens. Its kind of an easy way to look at it, and at times we all use language that would suggest it, but its not really true. The government is just a bunch of citizens, carrying out the will of all citizens as voiced by our votes.

Bruce Leroy posted:

The thing that gets me about all this voter ID bullshit is that it entirely focuses on in person voting. None of these conservatives who are oh so concerned about voter fraud (e.g. "one case is one too many!!!") ever talk about similar reforms for absentee voting when that's actually where almost all voter fraud takes place. Even more frustrating is that absentee voting tends to skew quite conservative/Republican while the voter who would be disenfranchised by voter ID laws are those who tend to vote Democratic and more liberal, like non-White minorities, the poor, etc. So, it's pretty obvious that the people pushing for voter ID laws are intentionally trying to suppress legitimate voting for the opposition while insulting real voter fraud that actually helps them.

Nevvy Z posted:

A few weeks back moveon had a video in which a Republican politician was actually saying that the voter ID laws were going to help them win.

That's why they always get weird about college students registering in the state they go to school. Disenfranchise the opposition.

Armyman25 posted:

Do the states communicate back and forth on this type of registration? I mean, if you're registered to vote in Utah, but you go to school in Nevada and register there, is there anything stopping you from voting absentee in Utah and in person in Nevada? Voting twice that is?

Armyman25 posted:

Do the states communicate back and forth on this type of registration? I mean, if you're registered to vote in Utah, but you go to school in Nevada and register there, is there anything stopping you from voting absentee in Utah and in person in Nevada? Voting twice that is?

CarterUSM posted:

I got in a big argument with some dipshit on Facebook who was pissing and moaning that Labor Day should represent HIM, too, since he certainly labored to build his business!

I explained that he was conflating two different definitions of the word "labor", and that Labor Day was specifically about the labor class (i.e. non-capital owning).

Then he went into a sperglord derail about "moochers" and Ayn Rand and taxes being slavery and such so I got out of there right quick.

It still amazes me, though, that people can't seem to grasp the concept of, "the same word can have different meanings."

CarterUSM posted:

It still amazes me, though, that people can't seem to grasp the concept of, "the same word can have different meanings."

XyloJW posted:

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myron cope posted:

You can read that "article" here btw. Though if you've ever read a site like unionfacts.com then you get the idea.

The New America posted:

Black Pastors Rally Against Obama:
Owens accused Obama of taking the black voting bloc forgranted and ridiculed the idea that the effort to normalize homosexual behavior and legalize “gay marriage” was similar to the black civil rights movement of the 1960s. “We are really tired of the homosexual community hijacking the civil rights movement,” Owens said in mid-July as the NAACP endorsed same-sex “marriage.” “I did not choose to be black and you did not choose to be white — and homosexuals make a choice to be homosexual. Sowhy compare what we went through with your situation? It’s notthe same thing. There’s no comparison.”


Pelosi Insists That She Received Messages From the Dead:
“My chair was getting crowded in. And then I realized Susan B. Anthony,Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Lucretia Mott, Alice Paul, Sojourner Truth, youname it, they were all in that chair … and I could hear them say, ‘At lastwe have a seat at the table.’”
Speaking to a recent Women’s Political Committee event in the nation’s capital, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) claimed the experience occurred while she was in the White House shortly after havingbeen named Speaker in 2009.


Diet do-gooders:
Thanks to the “lipid hypothesis,” McDonald’s once-delicious french freshcooked in beef tallow and palm oil are now the not-so-delicious version cooked in trans fats. Government regulation of our diets may follow: New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants to ban super-size soft drinks in his city.

RagnarokAngel posted:

I thought mcdonalds stopped doing super size of their own volition because marketing trends were leaning towards healthier eating (not that knocking it down to a large really helps your diet) and supersize me kind of made it look bad? I haven't seen super size in like a decade. Are there other parts of the country it's available still?

RagnarokAngel posted:

I thought mcdonalds stopped doing super size of their own volition because marketing trends were leaning towards healthier eating (not that knocking it down to a large really helps your diet) and supersize me kind of made it look bad? I haven't seen super size in like a decade. Are there other parts of the country it's available still?

The Macaroni posted:

The "lipid hypothesis"? Is that like the "theory of evolution," I'm guessing?

darthbob88 posted:

Eh. Kinda. The lipid hypothesis is fairly solid science, suggesting that there's a causal link between cholesterol and heart disease. It's only a "hypothesis" in the same way that evolution's a "theory"; it just hasn't been proven to be so, and considering that it's human biology, it probably never will. On the other hand, I'm powerfully tempted to pull an argumentum ad populum/auctoritas, and just say that 90% of the scientific community can't be wrong.

ETA: And also, they're wrong about the kind of fats McD's should be frying in. You want cis-polyunsaturated fats, not trans- fats.

Glitterbomber posted:

To be fair not like that poo poo wasn't pretty easy to counter with 'uh don't eat our food as literally your only food, you idiots?'

NBC Article posted:

The company has called the documentary “a super-sized distortion of the quality, choice and variety available at McDonald’s.” It says the film is not about McDonald’s but about Spurlock’s decision to act irresponsibly by eating 5,000 calories a day — “a gimmick to make a film.”