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Thwomp posted:Anyone have experience switching to Verizon from AT&T during an iPhone launch? If you are porting the numbers from a family plan i think you need to port the non primary accounts first. then the primary account last. The person who gets the corporate discount will need to be the primary account holder on verizon.
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Don Lapre posted:So its $649 for an out of contract phone. I played the add-a-line then ETF out game to get the Galaxy Nexus last year. I figured it would pay off given I got a corporate discount on the phone but only if I did it in conjunction with starting a new 2-year contract, and that I'd only pay sales tax on the subsidized price. I had them add a line, then immediately put a dumbphone on it and retro-dropped the data plan, and swapped phones. Then at the end of the month I killed that line. What I failed to factor in was that ETFs are subject to sales tax and all the other government add-on fees as though it were phone service, so that $350 ETF got closer to $400. Then I had to pay $17 ($9.99 after taxes/charges) for the voice service on the sacrificial line. So all in all it still saved a little bit of cash, maybe $50, but it was a lot of hassle for it. Not worth my time. kitten smoothie fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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Sep 13, 2012 16:26
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kitten smoothie posted:I played the add-a-line then ETF out game to get the Galaxy Nexus last year. I figured it would pay off given I got a corporate discount on the phone but only if I did it in conjunction with starting a new 2-year contract, and that I'd only pay sales tax on the subsidized price. If you cancel the line the same day though i wonder what the line charge would be. We get an additional $20 off our unlimited $30 unlimited data which we would lose moving to teired or share everything. So its worth $480 to me + keeping unlimited over a 2 year contract.
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Sep 13, 2012 16:30
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Don Lapre posted:If you are porting the numbers from a family plan i think you need to port the non primary accounts first. then the primary account last. The person who gets the corporate discount will need to be the primary account holder on verizon. The thing I don't know is how to order the iPhones and get them onto the same plan. Apple's preorder page lets you get everything ported individually but how do you get the two phones on one shared plan after that?
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Sep 13, 2012 16:40
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Don Lapre posted:If you cancel the line the same day though i wonder what the line charge would be. The customer contract says line charges are paid in advance and there are no prorated refunds when you cancel, so I take it that means starting a new line means you'll pay the charge for that whole month even if you cancel on day 1. All in all when the dust settles it was still a little cheaper than paying full price, I'm not going to argue against that point at all - it just was a fair bit of hassle to me and I'm not sure I'd do it again. I know my credit cards give a points/cashback bonus for paying cell phone bills with it, so there's that bonus you get from shifting some of the charges onto a cell phone bill rather than the purchase of the phone.
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Sep 13, 2012 16:46
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I've been going through the thread kind of quickly but I will edit my post if I answer my own question soon. On my family plan, two of four phones with data plans (one of which is mine) are grandfathered into unlimited data. I don't know if I have a partial upgrade in place on my line, can't check because the account isn't under my phone # and it needs to be reset/reverified before I can log in blah blah blah Anyway I guess I'm most worried about my unlimited data plan? And canceling the line before contract is out isn't an option because there are a lot of people on this shared family plan and it looks like the only way to keep your unlimited data is to add an unsubsidized 5 to your line. In theory if I were to wait until my contract ran out and then renewed it while purchasing a 5, I'd lose my unlimited data, right? those unsubsidized prices though 
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Sep 13, 2012 17:28
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ACID POLICE posted:I've been going through the thread kind of quickly but I will edit my post if I answer my own question soon. If you get any subsidy discount on your line at any time you lose your unlimited. Now if you use less than 2gb a month you can drop down to tiered data. You could also wait a few months and get a used 5 for cheaper.
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Sep 13, 2012 17:36
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Don Lapre posted:If you cancel the line the same day though i wonder what the line charge would be. Instead of adding a line, cancelling it, and eating the $350, why not add a line, (buy the iPhone), throw a dumbphone on it, and only pay $10/mo extra? Would end up costing $240 instead of $350.
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Sep 13, 2012 18:44
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:You say "we" so I assume you already have a family plan. Yea, this is a good idea. I bet one of our friends has a dead verizon phone i could use the IMEI of. Actually can verizon just put a dummy IMEI on to keep the line open without a phone?
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Sep 13, 2012 18:46
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:You say "we" so I assume you already have a family plan. It's only $240 if you ignore taxes and other "government imposed fees that aren't taxes" on that line. I pay around $17.80 every month on my mother-in-law's "$10" dumbphone line. I assume yours would be at least within that ballpark. At that price that's $427, which is still cheaper than $450 + sales tax difference between subsidized and unsubsidized phone. It's also pretty close to the ETF, which like I said came out to about $400 after taxes for me.
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Sep 13, 2012 18:48
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Looks like its $16.82 for my moms $10 line. Ridiculous
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Sep 13, 2012 18:52
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kitten smoothie posted:It's only $240 if you ignore taxes and other "government imposed fees that aren't taxes" on that line. I pay around $17.80 every month on my mother-in-law's "$10" dumbphone line. I assume yours would be at least within that ballpark. If you notice, they changed things back in the spring where they split the entire taxes and fees charge more equally among lines. So, while you are paying more on your dumbphone, you'll notice your taxes and fees charge on other lines went down. What I'm saying is, if you dropped that 17.80 phone, your bill would probably only go down by about $13. (at the time of the change, our "mother-in-law line" charge went from 12.48 to 14.87).
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Sep 13, 2012 19:03
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:You say "we" so I assume you already have a family plan. Is the order of operations doing this going to keep unlimited? Is it add line -> upgrade that line -> switch phone to unlimited line? Or is it add line -> switch upgrade eligibility to unlimited line -> upgrade that line and lose unlimited? I guess I would've expected Verizon to close this kind of loophole since they're making a push to get everyone off unlimited.
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Sep 13, 2012 19:47
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RVProfootballer posted:Is the order of operations doing this going to keep unlimited? Is it add line -> upgrade that line -> switch phone to unlimited line? Or is it add line -> switch upgrade eligibility to unlimited line -> upgrade that line and lose unlimited? I guess I would've expected Verizon to close this kind of loophole since they're making a push to get everyone off unlimited. If you switch upgrade elligability you lose your unlimited. Create a new line with a subsidized iphone. Swap iphone with dumbphone. Activate iphone on old unlimited account.
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Sep 13, 2012 19:59
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AlexDeGruven posted:It works out of the box if you're willing to hack your APN and spend some time on XDA finding the right settings. I know, I just haven't felt like messing with it, and the fact that Verizon promised the update and haven't delivered it just irritates me.
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Sep 13, 2012 20:13
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Just to make things muddier, I just got back from a Verizon (corporate) store. The manager there told me that if you do an alternate upgrade, the new terms apply to the line the phone gets activated on -- the line whose upgrade you use keeps its old terms and merely extends its contract for two years. She did say you could do a straight upgrade, then switch phones around, to keep unlimited. I'm not sure what to think any more.
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Sep 13, 2012 21:12
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:Just to make things muddier, I just got back from a Verizon (corporate) store. The manager there told me that if you do an alternate upgrade, the new terms apply to the line the phone gets activated on -- the line whose upgrade you use keeps its old terms and merely extends its contract for two years. She did say you could do a straight upgrade, then switch phones around, to keep unlimited. The second option is no different than buying a phone off craigslist. As long as you dont transfer an upgrade to the unlimited data line you are fine.
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Sep 13, 2012 21:15
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Don Lapre posted:The second option is no different than buying a phone off craigslist. As long as you dont transfer an upgrade to the unlimited data line you are fine. It also occurs to me that I've been worrying about this for no reason. All these shenanigans will do is keep unlimited data on my wife's line and she averages about 400Mb/mo. gently caress it, I'll just get a 2Gb tier.
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Sep 13, 2012 21:24
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Don Lapre posted:If you switch upgrade elligability you lose your unlimited. After you've activated the iPhone on the old unlimited account, the plan on the dumbphone line gets data and "smart phone tax" removed correct?
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Sep 13, 2012 21:41
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Shadowhand00 posted:After you've activated the iPhone on the old unlimited account, the plan on the dumbphone line gets data and "smart phone tax" removed correct? Yes.
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Sep 13, 2012 21:45
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Should I pre-order from Verizon or Apple tomorrow or doesn't it make a difference? Ideally I want the phone to arrive at my house on release day. I have a $30 upgrade discount on my account right now. If I order from Apple will that show up?
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Sep 13, 2012 22:12
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Both will get it to you just fine.
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Sep 13, 2012 22:13
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I just read the last few pages and spoke with Verizon - sorry to be super thick but I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Currently I have a single line - a Razr Maxx on the old unlimited data plan, and I'd like to pre-order an iPhone, but apparently you cannot pre-order at the off-contract price. So my plan is: - Pre-order by adding a line to my account on the original system. So an additional ~$70/month pre-tax with the cheapest voice/data - Swap my Razr Maxx with the iPhone - ETF the second line I just opened and pay the $350 fee - I assume my Razr Maxx will be effectively off-contract and I can sell it on ebay? If I understand it, the total cost would be: ($70 for the first month, plus taxes and fees applicable) + ($350 ETF, plus taxes on that) + ($200 for the iPhone, plus tax) So all in at least $620 before taxes and fees, which will basically be the same as buying an off-contract phone minus the waiting. The cost isn't really an issue at all, I just don't want to deal with waiting in line (in freaking NYC especially) or praying to Steve above that shipping time is reasonable right after launch.
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Sep 13, 2012 23:44
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Socialism posted:I just read the last few pages and spoke with Verizon - sorry to be super thick but I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. I believe what people are saying to do is the following: 1. Do everything + adding a new line. 2. Purchase or look for a cheap Verizon dumb-phone. 3. Activate iPhone on unlimited plan. 4. Active dumb-phone on new line, cancel the data subscription (this should effectively make this a $10 line per month). 5. Keep the $10 line for 2 years, which adds up to $240+fees which is cheaper than the $350 ETF. Or at least that's what I've seen on other websites.
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Sep 14, 2012 00:01
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Socialism posted:Currently I have a single line - a Razr Maxx on the old unlimited data plan, and I'd like to pre-order an iPhone, but apparently you cannot pre-order at the off-contract price.
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Sep 14, 2012 00:17
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Shadowhand00 posted:I believe what people are saying to do is the following: Ah ok - so the only effective difference between this and my description is using a dumbphone to keep the line open @ $10/month instead of paying the ETF. If that works, and I don't see why it wouldn't, then I think that's definitely better... Endless Mike posted:Wait, what? Are you sure? Yeah, that was the case with the 4S launch iirc, and I asked Verizon people at their store.
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Sep 14, 2012 00:48
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Socialism posted:Ah ok - so the only effective difference between this and my description is using a dumbphone to keep the line open @ $10/month instead of paying the ETF. If that works, and I don't see why it wouldn't, then I think that's definitely better... Yeah, I pulled that from this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1439872 The overall process makes sense and I'm hoping they don't close this loophole between now and tonight. Edit: Now that I think about it, when I went into to the store to purchase my iPhone last year, the Verizon rep actually did this exact process - he upgraded via my mother's line and then cancelled the data/voice plan for that. So I guess its not a loophole they're keen on closing between last year and this year.
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Sep 14, 2012 00:50
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Question: My parents are both already on Verizon, it's not the "share everything" plan. I'm on Sprint and my wife is on ATT (CELL PHONE BINGO, haha). My wife and myself are both out of contract. Can we both join on my parent's account, and if we did would we all be put on the "share everything" plan or on their current plan? Finally, can my wife keep her number even though she's got a different area code from the rest of us?
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Sep 14, 2012 03:07
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I hate to be this guy but I'm getting frustrated and just need to ask. I'm looking to switch from AT&T to verizon. I want to get the new iPhone 5. I also want to order from Apple online. Can you sign up for a new account through apple? And then I can switch over my number to verizon after the fact? Or could I could go to the store and make a new account? What's the best way of doing this. I really am sick of AT&T and want something new. MickRaider fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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I just spoke with a Sales rep from Verizon Wireless because like MickRaider I am looking to switch over to Verizon upon release of iPhone 5 and would like to preorder the phone. As an alternative to ordering from the website directly he gave me his cell phone and said I can call him any time tomorrow morning and he'd set me up? Is this normal procedure for sales reps? I wasn't sure if it sounded fishy or its just good customer service. I imagine he wants the commission and would prefer I reach him to become a customer. Does that sound suspicious?
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Sep 14, 2012 03:52
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MickRaider posted:I hate to be this guy but I'm getting frustrated and just need to ask. If you currently have AT&T and want to switch to Verizon they will make a new account with Verizon and start the number port process from AT&T to Verizon that will complete when you activate your new phone. I don't know if Apple stores can pre-order or not. I suspect they will have to wait until the retail store launch on 09/21 Verizon Wireless sales over the phone will start pre-orders 09/14 at 3:00 AM EST.
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Watch Out Smarmy posted:Apple is a licensed 3rd party retailer just like Best Buy or Costco. At the point of sale they will sign you up with the carrier of your choice so there is no switching from Apple to Verizon or Apple to Sprint. Feels like this time the best solution would be to buy online, get a new account (if they don't have a port option), and then transfer my number over after the fact.
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m3jsh posted:I just spoke with a Sales rep from Verizon Wireless because like MickRaider I am looking to switch over to Verizon upon release of iPhone 5 and would like to preorder the phone. Telesales (the customer service department that is responsible for new lines) can sometimes give out an extension number to contact them directly but that will vary by call center. I doubt anything exceedingly strange is happening. If you had a good rapport with said dude go ahead and call.
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MickRaider posted:I appologize, I meant to imply ordering from apple online. Historically it's been the most convenient but I've never tried to transfer before.  Apologize? OK?But yeah all of that should work.
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Sep 14, 2012 04:29
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Looking to get my first smartphone. I trying to decide between iPhone 5 or a SGS3. I really want to do video calling. Are skype video to video calls separate or do they use up data?
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Sep 14, 2012 05:56
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All video calls use data, my friend.
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td4guy posted:All video calls use data, my friend. I know but I didn't know if they exempted video calls from your limit since they keep saying unlimited.
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Sep 14, 2012 06:45
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I just pre-ordered an iPhone 5 and signed up for a new Verizon account. I chose to port over my existing Sprint number to VZW. Will the porting process take effect upon delivery of the phone, or sooner? I'd like to still use my Sprint account until my pone arrives...
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Sep 14, 2012 08:56
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I'm unable to get Apple's website to let me order two phones on the same rate plan, and verizon's webstore is still showing the 4S as being $199 instead of $99. If I open a new account with Verizon today for a 5, can I add a 4S to the account after the correct the price at the $99 price?
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I've done what someone earlier this (or last page) was talking about doing, which is using dumphone lines on my Family plan (not the Share, the old 700 minute one) to pre-order two iPhone 5s, with the intent of putting the dumbphones back on when they arrive. My question is what will I need to do to sell them? I imagine that the nano-SIMs will already be in the phones - will those already be connected to my account? Can they be changed in the system, or will I need to meet the buyers at the Verizon store to swap out the nano-SIMs with new ones provided by VZW?
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