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Emnity posted:Hmm, may just stop where I am then. Also, not strictly fluff/BL related, but FW has put up a sneak peek of the HH Volume 1: Betrayal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S0ZaG9xEIA I'm worried that it's obviously geared toward the higher price point as it is leather-bound with metal corner protectors. That being said, I am drooling.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Also, not strictly fluff/BL related, but FW has put up a sneak peek of the HH Volume 1: Betrayal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S0ZaG9xEIA I'm worried that it's obviously geared toward the higher price point as it is leather-bound with metal corner protectors. That being said, I am drooling. It's not like money is a concern for people who buy FW stuff 
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berzerkmonkey posted:Cain is nothing like Gaunt. You should pick one up to make your own judgment, but be forewarned that every book in the series follows pretty much the same formula. They can get somewhat repetitive. Also, pick up the Atlas Infernal book. It's another Inquisitor, but he isn't a clone of Eisenhorn or Ravenor. Will give that a try, thanks for the tip.
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Dickeye posted:THe Space Wolves omnibus is enjoyable just for how loving goofy/metal it is. William King really does banter very well, I should say, and his leaving the Space Wolves for other book lines was a real blow to the series 
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Emnity posted:Hmm, may just stop where I am then. If you like the "Inquisitor running around doin' thangs" concept, you should give Atlas Infernal a read. It's pretty wacky, but I loved it. Cain is completely different, it's a comedy series. It also gets incredibly stale after the first few books. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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CommissarMega posted:William King really does banter very well, I should say, and his leaving the Space Wolves for other book lines was a real blow to the series Same goes for Gotrek and Felix
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Therion posted:It does not. They get rid of the beasts, then the Emperor comes down and makes them into Astartes, oh and they kill some poo poo afterwards. That's glossing over what's probably the best part of the book where it covers (admittedly for only a chapter or two) the transition from feudal backwater world into an Imperial Legion homeworld. Battle for the Abyss is downright awful though.
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I just finished reading the Alpha Legion story in The Primarchs The ending got me really confused. Did Omegon secretly order the tenebrae installation to be destroyed behind Alpharius' back? Did he change his mind about the whole Cabal theory? Is this mentioned anywhere else? I'm not sure all this makes sense canon wise. Plots within plots is taking the Alpha Legion gimmick a bit too far as far as I'm concerned. Anyways, Ian Watson's Inquisition Wars omnibus just got in the mail. What can I expect besides dancing dreadnoughts?
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Mikojan posted:I just finished reading the Alpha Legion story in The Primarchs The answer is "Maybe, possibly!" *cue ominous music* (yes, the Alpha Legion are a bunch of dumb babies) Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Mikojan posted:Anyways, Ian Watson's Inquisition Wars omnibus just got in the mail.
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I'm done with Abnett. He writes some great action, but the two page denouement after 450 pages of book really gets grating. Also, Gaunt's Ghosts gets lame after he keeps killing the likeable characters. Shades of GURM.
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Fried Chicken posted:Well yes, in theory there isn't anything that is stopping your from growing a marine for 10 years, killing him, then growing 2 for 10 years, killing them, etc, getting an exponential increase in geneseed and creating a massive number of space marines. A mere 200 years would give you a million marines, 300 years a billion, and 400 would give you a trillion. Sounds like a perfect evil plan for a Black Library antagonist - probably a radical Inquisitor Lord or an Arch-Magos with an interest in bioengineering.
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The Southern Dandy posted:Also, Gaunt's Ghosts gets lame after he keeps killing the likeable characters. He just needs to either tie up the series or throw them into a new situation, like the Gereon stuff. His traditional "ho ho ho, command shafted us, time to fight Chaos in [wacky location]" got old really fast.
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Anyone else like to see more of the Inquisitorial retinue from the Emperor's Gift?
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Ephemeron posted:Sounds like a perfect evil plan for a Black Library antagonist - probably a radical Inquisitor Lord or an Arch-Magos with an interest in bioengineering. The usual answer to questions about doing odd and innovative things with Space Marine biology is "Fabius Bile tried it already". So yeah, this has probably been attempted a couple of times. The big problem is that Space Marines were designed by an incarnate god. Mortals, even superhuman ones, can't even begin to comprehend some of the stuff the Emperor put into 'em - they can (imperfectly) replicate the end product, but improving on it is outside nearly everyone's intellectual capacity.
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Are there any decent Eldar novels that tell about their society, etc? I only know of the C.S. Goto ones, and even my lovely author tolerance only goes so far.
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Therion posted:Are there any decent Eldar novels that tell about their society, etc? I only know of the C.S. Goto ones, and even my lovely author tolerance only goes so far. William King did a decent one called Farseer, that follows a Rogue Trader falling in with some wandering Eldar siblings, and it was meant to be a series but never got any follow-ups. Not sure if you can still get it but it's worth a read.
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Therion posted:He just needs to either tie up the series or throw them into a new situation, like the Gereon stuff. His traditional "ho ho ho, command shafted us, time to fight Chaos in [wacky location]" got old really fast.
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Arquinsiel posted:Will Gaunt ever get command back?!?!?! fakeout I wish Abnett killed off one of his books' main characters or had something irreversably lovely happen to them, since I have trouble feeling any tension at all while knowing that his protagonists have the thickest Plot Armor this side of Salvatore. I know that 40k novels are intended for the ARGH BADASS KILLS EVERYONE teenage crowd but there are only so much cliches one can use before the reader starts to recognize the patterns. Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Sep 16, 2012 |
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Therion posted:I wish Abnett killed off one of his books' main characters or had something irreversably lovely happen to them, since I have trouble feeling any tension at all while knowing that his protagonists have the thickest Plot Armor this side of Salvatore. Is this an ironic post or what I don't even 
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Is this an ironic post or what I don't even I know that Gaunt's dudes occasionally die and Eisenhorn falls into radicalism but the former is arbitrary in an IG novel and the latter is the main plot point in its book. When [important character] is in a proper battle, you know that they won't lose  Haven't read Brothers of the Snake yet though.
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Yeah, he just killed of Merrt, Dorden and Costin, all of which were pretty heavily featured in previous books. However, Abnett does introduce new characters each book to kill of. Basically, if someone suddenly pops into existance from a known squad, he will probably die. But the main characters of the books all still live. I think the only really big ones that died are Corbec, Caffran, Soric, MkVenner and Dorden.
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Therion posted:I wish Abnett killed off one of his books' main characters or had something irreversably lovely happen to them, since I have trouble feeling any tension at all while knowing that his protagonists have the thickest Plot Armor this side of Salvatore. I know that 40k novels are intended for the ARGH BADASS KILLS EVERYONE teenage crowd but there are only so much cliches one can use before the reader starts to recognize the patterns. Err how many of the Gaunt's Ghosts series books have you read?
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Therion posted:Are there any decent Eldar novels that tell about their society, etc? I only know of the C.S. Goto ones, and even my lovely author tolerance only goes so far. There's a series by Gav Thorpe called Path of the Eldar. The first one, Path of the Warrior followed an Eldar's journey into from an artist to becoming an aspect warrior. It wasn't awful which by default makes it one of the best Eldar book that GW has published. I think the other two books in the series are about similar Eldar journeys into the path of a seer and an outcast but I haven't read them so can't comment. There's also a Dark Elder novel as well that is suppose to be qiote readable.
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Therion posted:I wish Abnett killed off one of his books' main characters or had something irreversably lovely happen to them, since I have trouble feeling any tension at all while knowing that his protagonists have the thickest Plot Armor this side of Salvatore. I know that 40k novels are intended for the ARGH BADASS KILLS EVERYONE teenage crowd but there are only so much cliches one can use before the reader starts to recognize the patterns.  He literally kills 80% of the characters in "Know No Fear".
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Samopsa posted:Yeah, he just killed of Merrt, Dorden and Costin, all of which were pretty heavily featured in previous books. However, Abnett does introduce new characters each book to kill of. Basically, if someone suddenly pops into existance from a known squad, he will probably die.
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Just finished reading the Night Lords trilogy. Goddamn, ADB should write more, his Spehss Mehrine characters are great. Uzas, Talos, Xarl... even the 'side' characters like Malcharion or Vandred were just metal as gently caress. I loved the way lots of characters hated each other, like Talos vs. the Exalted, but still covered for each other when their asses were really on the line. gently caress Cyrion though, I never liked that guy. "Try and run now, bitch." 
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So I just finished the latest book in the Horus Heresy series, Fear to Thread by James Swallow. Completely predictable if you have read any of the previous fluff on Blood Angels. Also just realized that James Swallow wrote Nemesis, which is utter crap. Seriously, you have a brainwashed assassin and his sister as the main characters and it becomes a crappy family drama. Anyways, so how many books are there left in the series? Or are they gonna do like in Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms and just expand the series while there's money in it? They have yet to cover White Scars, Imperial Fists as well as more in depth of some traitor legions. And then we have the Battle of Terra. Easily at least 20 more books.
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Cardiac posted:So I just finished the latest book in the Horus Heresy series, Fear to Thread by James Swallow. The HH books sell really well, and it's GW, so you have to imagine they're going to stretch it out as long as they possibly can.
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We already know how it ends (Hint: Hitler loses) so really they can just keep on backfilling detail until they run out of trees to print on.
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Looked to getting that Astral Infernal last night as an ebook download, seems they have the Black (Library) Market all tied up, £6.50 for letting someone copy your file, not bad going considering most paperbacks I own cost less than that. Just needed a rant, buying it anyway.. mutter mutter.. On another note I never really felt anyone but Gaunt himself was safe (and never really out of harms way) in any of the Ghosts series. I wasn't a big fan of Salvation's Reach though, didn't have the same.. presence to it as the other books.
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Arquinsiel posted:We already know how it ends (Hint: Hitler loses) so really they can just keep on backfilling detail until they run out of trees to print on. Then they can say that it's all apocrypha and proceed to retell the REAL story.
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Emnity posted:Looked to getting that Astral Infernal last night as an ebook download, seems they have the Black (Library) Market all tied up, £6.50 for letting someone copy your file, not bad going considering most paperbacks I own cost less than that. Just needed a rant, buying it anyway.. mutter mutter..
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Kegslayer posted:There's a series by Gav Thorpe called Path of the Eldar. The first one, Path of the Warrior followed an Eldar's journey into from an artist to becoming an aspect warrior. It wasn't awful which by default makes it one of the best Eldar book that GW has published. I've read all of them. Path of the Warrior started the series off on a good note, since it was relatively enjoyable and also quite novel (HA!) being one of the first Eldar books to actually shed some light on Eldar society beyond the battlefield. The other two (Seer and outcast) are just loving boring , replete with boring characters (The main character of outcast somehow manages to be a contemptible rear end in a top hat who is also incredibly boring. The main character of seer is a frigid one-dimensional brat with daddy issues.) and a boring recycled overarching plot (Literally the same events occur in all three novels, but from different viewpoints.) and boring sequences. The novelty wears off remarkably quickly. Path of the Renegade (The Dark Eldar one) is quite enjoyable by contrast, creating almost half sympathetic DE characters without sacrificing any of the delicious SOULTORTUREBLOODFEAST grimdark of the Dark Eldar. Again, there is a lot of novelty value to be had because it expands Dark Eldar society and culture quite comprehensively. Read Path of the Renegade simply because it's the best of the lot, then Path of the Warrior if you're curious. IGNORE THE OTHER TWO and pretend that they were never written. Gormless Gormster fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The HH books sell really well, and it's GW, so you have to imagine they're going to stretch it out as long as they possibly can. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Feels like it's going to be Dragonlance all over again, and as the gullible fool I am, I will probably read them all. Never mind the fact I haven't played WH40k for 15 years and have read all the codexes, I apparently haven't had enough. Anyways, I have this vague memory from the 3d Edition that Sanguinius killed a Bloodthirster during the Siege of Terra. I'm guessing this is the same Bloodthirster as in Fear to Thread, guessing from the hints in the book.
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Gormless Gormster posted:Path of the Warrior started the series off on a good note, since it was relatively enjoyable and also quite novel (HA!) being one of the first Eldar books to actually shed some light on Eldar society beyond the battlefield. The other two (Seer and outcast) are just loving boring , replete with boring characters (The main character of outcast somehow manages to be a contemptible rear end in a top hat who is also incredibly boring. The main character of seer is a frigid one-dimensional brat with daddy issues.) and a boring recycled overarching plot (Literally the same events occur in all three novels, but from different viewpoints.) and boring sequences. The novelty wears off remarkably quickly. I dunno man, I've only read Warrior and Seer, but I quite liked the alternate viewpoint given in Seer, and how it highlights how much of an egotistical creepy sperg the protagonist of Warrior really is. The again I'm very much a "story is about the journey" kinda guy as opposed to a "story is about the end" kinda guy so ymmv v  vI liked seeing how both characters arrived at their respective story conclusions, and how they percieved each other and their third friend. So much thinly veiled contempt and dysfunction  I imagine the third book will be more of the same, which to me seems like not such a bad thing at all.
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Cardiac posted:Anyways, I have this vague memory from the 3d Edition that Sanguinius killed a Bloodthirster during the Siege of Terra. I'm guessing this is the same Bloodthirster as in Fear to Thread, guessing from the hints in the book.
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The Southern Dandy posted:I'm done with Abnett. He writes some great action, but the two page denouement after 450 pages of book really gets grating. Also, Gaunt's Ghosts gets lame after he keeps killing the likeable characters. Shades of GURM. Dembski-Bowden has usurped Abnett as the best BL writer like a wet-leopard growl.
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