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Mind_Taker posted:I called the flop because I think that often enough I have the best hand given the action so far. I am way ahead of any flush/straight/combo draws, and if he has trips I have flush outs and decent implied odds. You'd 3bet because you're never outplaying him OOP on turns and rivers that dont make you get there. We might be ahead of his bluffs now but we aren't seeing showdown for free and he can improve pretty easily. quote:He's also going to 4-bet his stronger draws (combo draws and maybe hands like K There are a great deal more combos of fds than trips/boats, so if he plays those hands like this your only choice is to 3b/get it in on the flop.
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I like calling river but I think raising is better than folding. Especially if he's seen you fold to a 3bet pre he can easily have flatted the btn with TT+. That's a lot of combos. That mixed with all the draws you can't ever fold here.
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I did end up calling but I tanked. What is your cutoff for calling? Somewhere around JJ?
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JJ is really hard. Moose how would you go about sizing to get it in on the flop? AARO fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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olin posted:JJ is really hard. Let me just say that I don't think it's a good line because i don't think we're going to get it in vs Kxcc and combodraws like mindtaker says, but if I was sizing to 3b/get it in I'd make it like 325 I guess.
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Please tell me how badly I hosed this up. This is NL2 on Carbon, 6max. Stacks: UTG $4.87 122bb UTG+1 $2.15 54bb CO $2.78 70bb BTN $7.21 180bb SB $2.53 63bb Maha (BB) $4 100bb Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 6 players) Maha is BB Q  Q 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 1 fold, SB calls $0.06, Maha raises to $0.32, UTG+1 calls $0.24, CO calls $0.24, SB folds I'd been on this table for less than 20 hands, but I remember thinking all these players were horrible, as they were limping in/calling pre with any trash, checking it down when they didn't hit and calling with any piece of the board. I reraise big here to try and see a flop heads-up. Flop: 8 2 9 ($1.08, 3 players) Maha bets $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40 Once that failed, here I bet small because I was afraid of getting raised and ready to fold if I did. Turn: 6 ($2.28, 3 players) Maha bets $2.24, UTG+1 folds, CO goes all-in $2.06 I think this creates a bunch of draws, so I put them both all-in to get at least one of them to go away. If anyone's got a set or 2p, I'm hosed. River: 7s ($6.58, 2 players, 1 all-in) CO shows 9c Tc CO wins $6.05 (net +$3.27)
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Maha posted:Please tell me how badly I hosed this up. This is NL2 on Carbon, 6max. Seems fine for these stakes, except I would 3bet bigger preflop (40 cents at least if not more) and bigger on the flop (2/3 of pot or so).
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Unamuno posted:Seems fine for these stakes, except I would 3bet bigger preflop (40 cents at least if not more) and bigger on the flop (2/3 of pot or so). Nice, thank you. A couple more, same stakes/site. I think these are probably pretty straightforward, but the newbie thread doesn't exist anymore, so: quote:$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem Same table, a few hands later: quote:Stacks:
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Fold the AQ. QQ nh. I will say tho, at even slightly higher stakes if you cbet 1/2 pot on this board a lot of regs will raise you with any decent fd causing you to fold a lot of your range. Yuu might wanna cbet bigger on really wet flops like this. I dont think that's really cogent to 4nl tho. AARO fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Sep 19, 2012 |
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Live 1-2 NL game last night... up against a guy who was pretty loving wild. Not a horrible player, but definitely super loose and prone to lots of over-bets. Just a little background of what I had seen of him before the hand: He was sitting on $3,500 when I showed up (max buyin is $300), but was down to like $2,300 during the relevant hand. He was routinely raising anywhere from $30 to $50 preflop, sometimes more, and would sometimes 3-bet to $100ish. He also wasn't afraid to follow up his preflop action with $100+ c-bets. Couple hands I had seen: He raised all-in behind a shorter stack's all-in on a QT6 flop, 2 suited, with AQo. Guy still to act behind him had like $700... I'm not sure what the pot size was going into the bet but obviously it was an excessive raise. The $700 stack ended up calling with AJo and hitting the gutshot for like $1,600 but that's a different story... was a crazy table in general I love that place. The next hand he raised to $85 with 78s and lost like $500 more with middle pair. Anywho, on to my hand: My starting stack here was about $300. Decent player (but pretty short stack) raises to $15 in early position. Villain (sitting on the raiser's left with ~$2,300) calls along with several others, I call on the button with A Q (probably red flag #1 for not reraising to like $80 here but we'll keep going). I think it was 5 or 6 to the flop including me, let's go with 5 and say it was a $75 pot.Flop comes T 85, original raiser goes call in for $55 , villain calls, and I call on the button. I was getting almost 3.5 to 1 with 2 overs and a backdoor flush draw, and it would now be HU against the crazy guy (who could have loving anything at this point) with the short stack all in. Pot is up to ~$240Turn comes 8 , villain checks and so do I.River comes Q , so I have the A-high flush but the board is paired.Villain quickly goes all in, obviously has me covered since I had about $260 left, so a little less than 2:1 for me to call. It's obviously not a straight-up bluff since there was no side pot at this point, but I figured he might try to blast my hand out if thought he was 2nd best but able to beat the guy who was already all-in. Seems like he might try that with a weak diamond hoping to knock out a higher flush, maybe even a Q or 8, again hoping to knock out a stronger hand and take it down HU. Again this was not the first time I had seen him over-bet and he was not always super strong when he did so. I called... he had Q8o (no diamond), runners for the boat of course. The other guy had 55 for the lower boat so I was smoked in the main pot either way but I couldn't really see that coming. So uh... ignoring the fact that I probably should have reraised preflop, how did I do? Deltron 3030 fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Sep 23, 2012 |
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Sep 23, 2012 15:38
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I probably fold on the flop if the maniac is playing fit or fold. "Fit" for a maniac can be any draw, any pair, etc. which can still be ahead of our AQo even if he's just on a draw. If the maniac is cbetting all the time, then I'll flat if I've got position and I think he'll slow down on the turn. Also you're implied odds are not that good for a flop call. For the river, I usually snap call or call.
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Sep 24, 2012 18:42
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Sep 24, 2012 20:18
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Flop seems like a call to me. With no sidepot we're going to get to see turn + river pretty often and i think we've got enough equity.
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Sep 24, 2012 20:33
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in general i'm not a fan of calling with the plan of hitting running cards/floating against a maniac. i mean, even if board bricks out our ace-high probably isn't good against the shortstack for the main pot. river is a snapcall though.
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Sep 24, 2012 22:03
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Folding flop as well. Crazy villain has to have a piece when he calls the flop shove from the short stack. He's prone to over-betting so even if you hit your flush draw on the turn you may not get the right price to call plus your over-cards may be dirty if he has QT or AT or 2P+ already.
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Sep 24, 2012 23:44
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Fold flop, obviously raise preflop huge, hoping to get heads up with the maniac and hitting any pair to play for stacks, or really just AQ high is probably good.
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NL4 on Carbon, 5-handed 6max. I've just sat at this table, Villain is 0/0 over 3 hands, apparently bought in for the full 100bb/$4 but doesn't have auto top-up enabled and is at $3.60.quote:Pre Flop: Me(SB) with [A I think betting that flop is standard, but do I barrel that turn? Also, do I call that shove? I understand that I was getting like 5:1, but I don't think I win often enough for even that to be profitable. e: Maybe it is, though. If he's got a set I think he would've raised the flop, plus I can river a 3. I'm ahead of any naked draw. Against something like J T, I'm ~5:1. Against QQ-JJ, ~3.5:1.
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Sep 27, 2012 09:31
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Turn card is pretty terrible to barrel. I'd only do it if villain has a history of flatting 3-bets/floating flop and even then I'd be more inclined to give up. Also your cbet on the flop seems a lil big. A 50 cent flop c-bet accomplishes the same thing but saves you ten cents.
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Sep 28, 2012 18:33
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1/3 Live. In BB, 8th hand at table. First hand played in was from UTG last hand. I raised pf and folded out 3 callers with my c-bet. A KTwo limps, SB folds, I pop to 13, get 1 caller in MP. Flop K Q8I bet out 17. Anything wrong with this? I get minraised. Have no read on villain. My gut says to call/check/fold barring the flush, and wait for a spot where i have a better idea. This is probably the longest I have ever thought about a play live. Wtf should I do? edit: I am a moron. I started hand with 230 and he has me covered.
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srsly posted:I bet out 17. Anything wrong with this? I think I'd bet out more than $17, but betting is a good idea here in general. You get value from worse top pairs (with or without a club), middle pair (QT or QJ) or JJ-TT with a single club, JT. You also set yourself up for a very profitable semibluff situation if you get raised. In the absolute worst case, ie the one where your opponent is only raising flop with sets (unlikely he has KK or QQ given he limp-called pre), 2p, and flushes (some of which can be discounted, as people will find a reason to fold suited crap like 83s), you still have 38% equity. That's just so much, especially when you consider that sometimes he either calls with worse (KJ with the Jc) or simply folds some of his raising range, that it makes 3bet jamming over his minraise a +EV play. Whether check-soulreading is better than bet-jamming flop is unclear. I feel like you're just going to make too many fundamental theorem of poker mistakes, eg folding to KJ with the Jc if this guy feels like barreling with it. I also feel like you're not going to get paid off big by much when you hit your flush, so that's another strike against check-calling. Meh.
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Yeah just raise to ~70/call shove on flop. Jam all turns if he just calls flop.
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Anyone selling books on mtts? I've been playing the 30k 100k vip freerolls on stars and have no idea what im doing past like level 2 or 3. I have the HOH's already.
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AK hand raise bigger pre raise/call off on the flop he can be drawing dead. he will always call with Kx + worse club draw.
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TheAbortionator posted:Anyone selling books on mtts? I've been playing the 30k 100k vip freerolls on stars and have no idea what im doing past like level 2 or 3. I have the HOH's already. Read Kill Everyone for short-mid stack MTT play
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1/2 NL at the new casino in Columbus. Action at the table has been pretty slow so far, but I hadn't been around very long. I'm in the sb and pick up AKo. Three people limp, and I raise to $13 (anything from $8 to $12 is pretty standard, I'm thinking I probably should have made it at least $15). Anyway the bb calls, along with two of the limpers. Four to the flop, so like $54 in the pot but that's also gonna get raked for at least $5 + $1 for the BBJ, so I guess call it a $48 pot to be realistic. Flop comes QJx rainbow. I check, bb bets $20, one limper calls and one folds. So it's back to me getting about 4.5:1 to call. The bb was some chick who had just shown up so I don't know much about her. The other caller is pretty passive and somewhat loose, have played with him before, he only had about $100 behind. I decided to call with my gutshot and overcards... a T obviously gives me the nuts and if I hit a K or A I'll at least be ahead some of the time. Turn is a K, and I'm pretty sure it matched one of the suits on the flop. I bet $65, bb folds, other dude goes all in for like $40 more so I call. He turns over KT for K's and OESD but I held up. I guess I'm mostly wondering if my call on the flop is terrible or not. If it wasn't a rainbow flop I definitely fold, but maybe since I am out of position I should just give up anyway? Any thoughts are appreciated!
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Deltron 3030 posted:AKo. Just my two pennies from the UK at 1.10am after a night out where I played poker and got it all-in good four times overall and lost every single one. 55%, 75%, 66% and 70%. Nothing special but it stings that much more when it's live rather than online where you can make it all back in 30 minutes. /rant over. 
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Preflop you have to make that at least $15, and at live 1/2 I think $20 is probably about right. If you have a $25 chip just say raise and throw that in, you're going to be called by all sorts of shiny looking hands anyways. That really is a lovely flop for you, so c/f is fine. I still default to a c-bet/fold though, because hai, gutshot. Just be ready to fold to any aggression if you get called and raised on a further street after you hit anything but the straight. If you were only called by 1 or 2 people then c-bet flop every day.
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Live $1/$2 Action: UTG, UTG+1 Limps. Hero has been active and raises to $12 with AKo. Folds to calling station SB who flats, UTG folds and UTG+1 reraises to $42. Reads: SB has his cards in hand and is ready to fold. I don't think if we call here we can sucker the fish into this pot. Effective stacks with Villain are roughly $400 (200BB). Villain seems to be decent enough, raising over limpers with a reasonable range and has gone to showdown a few times in this situation with suited broadway, so probably something like 30/10/0 so far. He does not always cbet, even on typically good cbet boards. Thought Process: Usually I just call in this situation (or fold if the villain is really tight), but I decided to try something different this time and raised it to $130. I have AA/KK blockers, so I know that combination wise it's harder for him to show up with KK+ then usual (0.5% of the time he is dealt KK+, 0.25% of the time he's dealt AA when we hold AK). I am basically turning my hand into a semi bluff here as I very confident when he shoves he's only doing it with AA because the stacks are so deep and we can fold. On the other hand if he's taking this line with a medium pocket pair or suited connector like 66 or JTs I am confident that he will fold preflop. Of course this play relies on him having a range other then literally just Aces here. We bet $120 to win roughly $60 here, so we need to win outright 66% of the time. So in spite of our card removal, does the villain take this line with enough medium hands? Probably not even close. So what do you guys think? In retrospect I think I'm burning money here but it's such a classic fishy line that I wanted to try something different against it.
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IsotopeOrange posted:Of course this play relies on him having a range other then literally just Aces here. We bet $120 to win roughly $60 here, so we need to win outright 66% of the time. So in spite of our card removal, does the villain take this line with enough medium hands? Probably not even close. We don't need to win without showdown 66% of the time; that figure assumes we automatically lose the pot every time he calls or 4bets. We don't. Having said that, I still prefer a call. We have position against a guy who seems to play passively (he doesn't cbet on good boards to do so) so we should at least have pretty easy decisions the rest of the way. If you really think his range is KK+ then just fold.
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Oct 22, 2012 18:17
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even with card removal the limp-RR is really strong and his range is probably QQ++. i muck queens and jacks here a lot unless deep enough to setmine.
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Probably a straight-forward hand here, but I wanted to run it by someone. This is $1-2 NL at a casino Most players at the table were pretty passive at this point, but had a couple loose players. Guy raises to $12 in early position and gets 3 callers (including a station with a big stack). I wake up in the sb with AA and reraise to $50. How is my bet sizing? I'm thinking it was a little small considering all the callers and since I am out of position, but then again it's AA so it's not like I want to blast the pot and scare everyone off, just hoping to get it HU I guess. Anyway everyone folded except for the calling station I mentioned, who naturally called. Effective stacks are like $400+, and the guy had been limp-calling short stack shoves with retarded hands (Q4o, KJo). ~$140 in the pot, flop comes KQ7 rainbow. I lead out for $65, dude thinks for a minute then folds. He said it was a "tough laydown" and that he had AQ. This was basically an awesome flop for me since it was rainbow and the calling station likes to play all sorts of paint. Is it standard to bet the flop here or should I go for a check-raise or even check-call? The guy was pretty weak with his betting (minraising on the flop and poo poo like that), so I don't know how likely he would be to fire at the flop. If he hit the K he is probably calling me down, and I'm pretty surprised he folded the Q. I guess knowing how much of a station he is it's probably an obvious bet on the flop, but I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts.
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Deltron 3030 posted:Probably a straight-forward hand here, but I wanted to run it by someone. This is $1-2 NL at a casino I probably would have raised to ~$70 preflop, which makes it $58 for the original raiser to call into a ~$120 pot. If he's a calling station I might even up it a bit. I typically raise 3x the original raise/blind + 1x for each limper/caller, so in this case 3x$12 + $12 for each caller is $72. It might seem like this raise would blast them out of the pot, and it might be true. Even if it does, you just picked up $50 uncontested. It might suck to see this happen with AA, but you should also be doing this with AK and TT-KK, and AQ and medium pairs somewhat often. Most of these hands you would be happy to take down 25 BBs uncontested preflop. Even bad players can sniff out KK or AA if you don't take this same action with a wider range of hands. As for the flop, I think your bet size is a little too small. This flop is likely to hit his range pretty well so I think a bet size of somewhere around $95 into a $140 pot should work. I don't like a check-call or a check-raise on the flop because what is he going to bet with that you beat? The only hand I can think of is AK, and maybe KJ or KT. He's checking back almost everything that you beat, including stuff like pocket pairs, JT, AJ, and AT that you just gave a free card to catch. This board seems like a clear bet because he's calling with a ton of hands that you beat that he would otherwise just check back. I like your actions even if your sizing isn't ideal. [s]Given your description of the villain it sucks that he didn't call especially for a less than half pot sized bet given his actual hand, but you still won a nice pot. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Nov 2, 2012 |
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Thanks for the input, sounds like good advice to me. Just to clarify, the guy who called my reraise was not the original raiser but I don't think that changes much. I like your rule of thumb for sizing your preflop raises/reraises, and that's a very good point on the importance of not having too narrow of a 3-betting range. I do 3-bet with a range very similar to what you described, but it's good to keep in mind. Another question though... how much does position play a role in your 3-bet sizing? Do you tend to 3-bet larger in early position, late position, or the blinds? Also does position change your 3-betting range at all? Deltron 3030 fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Nov 2, 2012 |
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Nov 2, 2012 20:51
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There are a ton of factors that affect my 3-bet sizing. Position is one of them, and typically I 3-bet to a larger amount OOP than in position, but not substantially so. For instance, all other things being equal in a $2/$5 game, I'd 3-bet a $20 raise with no callers to $60 in position and to $65 OOP. The more important factors to me are who the original raiser was, who the callers are, the number of callers, stack sizes, my perceived image, etc. Post-flop play is certainly trickier OOP, but it doesn't really affect my 3-bet sizing to a large degree.
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A couple hands of NL4 6max on Carbon: I'm at $4, don't know my stats. VPIP/PFR probably both in the twenties. Guy sitting with $9, 22/13 over 32 hands, makes it 3x on the CO. Folds to me in the SB, I make it 4x his raise with AJo. BB folds, CO calls. Flop comes JT4r. I bet 3/4 pot, he raises 4,5 times my bet and effectively puts me all-in. What do I do here? Another table. I'm 30/29 over 56 hands, table's full of nits and I've been stealing some blinds. Guy who's new to the table (5 hands, 0/0) makes it 3x UTG, I call on the CO with KJo. SB (30/27) makes it 14x, UTG folds. I've seen SB squeeze like this twice before, so I don't give him much credit and call. Flop 843r. SB bets half-pot, I have two overs and call. Turn 6, no flush draw. He bets half-pot again. I?
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Maha posted:A couple hands of NL4 6max on Carbon: First one seems like a tougher spot than the second. I play a lot of 4NL and 10NL on Carbon, but then again I'm a total amateur, so any thoughts may be entirely wrong! You raised to .48 preflop right? Do you think this is too high of a 3bet? It seems like the majority of 3bets at 4NL are in the .30-.36 range. You are out of position, so it seems like its a weird spot if he calls. I assume you are Cbetting 100% of flops right? Your bet on the flop seems OK, though it seems a little big. Not sure though. So he is raising 13% of hands, and probably calling a 3bet with slightly less than that. This is a really small sample, so I'm just not sure stats can really indicate what his range would be. Based on standard Carbon 4NL players, I don't think hes flatting a 3bet with QQ-AA. He could have AJ here. KQ is another possibility. I'm not sure hes shoving with a set. I guess I'm leaning more towards a call. Maha posted:Another table. I'm 30/29 over 56 hands, table's full of nits and I've been stealing some blinds. Guy who's new to the table (5 hands, 0/0) makes it 3x UTG, I call on the CO with KJo. SB (30/27) makes it 14x, UTG folds. I've seen SB squeeze like this twice before, so I don't give him much credit and call. I think KJo here shouldn't be a call. Its a weird spot. You can't really 4bet and represent strength, since you called the open. As for the flop, to me this is 100% fold or raise. If you guys are really deep, maybe a float here would work, but your plan has to be raise on the turn. I really don't think its necessary though. 4NL is made up of players that you can easily get value from. Making plays (which is what I think you are doing here) doesn't seem as necessary. Let me know your thoughts. I've probably played with you if you hit up the micro 6-max on carbon!
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Maha posted:Another table. I'm 30/29 over 56 hands, table's full of nits and I've been stealing some blinds. Guy who's new to the table (5 hands, 0/0) makes it 3x UTG, I call on the CO with KJo. SB (30/27) makes it 14x, UTG folds. I've seen SB squeeze like this twice before, so I don't give him much credit and call. Fold, but before that fold to the utg raise and if you don't fold there then fold to the squeeze. As played I don't mind the float the flop because a bunch of players will 3 bet squeeze, c-bet then give up. I want to know early on if thats the case. But mostly just fold preflop.
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Thanks, guys. Alterac: the raise doesn't seem particularly high to me, I thought it was somewhat standard to make it 3x in position and 4x oop. I ended up tank-shoving, and he showed TT. TheAbortionator: I'm usually more conservative with KJ, I think I was tilted or something. Do you call the utg raise if you're otb? Maha fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Nov 6, 2012 |
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Nov 6, 2012 04:05
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I'm going to need a pretty good reason too. If the guy is really bad or a maniac or a huge fish is in the blinds I would play it. As for what you said I understand the tilt part, nobody likes getting squeezed. In that specific spot there is really nothing you can do and you just gotta accept that. So take a note that he probably likes to squeeze light then down the road you can adjust to it by flatting more premiums, 4-bet bluffing and most importantly calling less with marginal hands that are just gonna get squeezed.
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Maha posted:TheAbortionator: I'm usually more conservative with KJ, I think I was tilted or something. Do you call the utg raise if you're otb? 3betting with KJo is better than calling. Especially if people in the blinds squeeze often.
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