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*John acts like a normal teenager.* The Crowd: John is gonna snap when he hears about Vriska! ??? Seriously, there's a large difference between the catharsis you want and the characterization you're getting, and forcing a connection between the two isn't going to make it happen.
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Honestly, I don't think John is really going to flip about anything specific, but the aggregate of things might make him go slightly insane.
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Zoolooman posted:Seriously, there's a large difference between the catharsis you want and the characterization you're getting, and forcing a connection between the two isn't going to make it happen. This is why I think that Vriska will "come back" before John even has the chance to find out she's dead. Its too good of a way to screw with fans who think that something monumental would happen because of that.
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Zoolooman posted:*John acts like a normal teenager.* Realistically speaking the most he'll do is have a bit of a huff then sheepishly apologize.
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"Monumental" would be the wrong word for it, but it could be the final incident that provokes him to act rather than simply being cranky about it.
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Sep 16, 2012 23:16
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I less meant it in an Eridan-Murder-Freakout and more in a [S]: John: Examine your dad's room. kinda way.
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Yeah, realistically I don't think John could really be expected to go totally crazy or psycho from anything coming up. It's just that John's getting some character stuff that point to him being a dynamic character with an arc and some issues that are currently getting worse, plus some possibly difficult truths to face at the end of his stressful journey. That he's acting like a typical teenager isn't much of a deflection since Hussie could've just kept John mostly unchanged and unchallenged and received few complaints - it suggests the character has a little forward momentum. If he's going to grow and have an arc it'd be nice if there's some milestones along the way and it's fun to speculate which events will be significant. Also Vriska already had that "John doesn't remember her" experience with Beta John, and while it could happen again I'm personally expecting most of her remaining character development to involve Tavros and whatever she does in the afterlife. Could be wrong of course, but that's the feeling I get after the whole Beta John and Tavriska encounters.
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Dolash posted:but that's the feeling I get after the whole Beta John and Tavriska encounters. gently caress, I forgot that Tavriska was even a thing, should go find that again.
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So there's no official update yet, but if you'll take a look at the kickstarter, there is a new reward tier that includes a Homestuck themed deck of Tarot Cards with loving amazing art. Page One Page Two Page Three Additionally it contains Prospit/Derse shirts, a grimdark squiddle tote, and more pins. As if I didn't want enough of this poo poo, jesus christ Hussie. EDIT: Also a new combo tier including all the packs so far at $605. Time for a million $612 pledges. CidGregor fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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Sep 17, 2012 06:04
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Holy poo poo I want that. Holy poo poo I cannot justify 155 dollars for a deck of cards. 
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Oh my god Hussie stop trying to make me donate to this drat kickstarter. That Heirophant card oh my god.
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Motherfucking tarot cards 
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I just spent $155 dollars on a pack of tarot cards. I don't even want the rest of the rewards from the SEERPAK, I did it just for the tarot cards. I need to go home and reexamine my life. I'm not reexamining my pledge though, those tarot cards are totally worth it.
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Sep 17, 2012 06:17
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Oh my god Hussie that deck is so awesome you are loving killing me here. EDIT: I swear I recognize the artstyle for the Death card. Who did that?
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Sep 17, 2012 06:17
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gently caress gently caress gently caress who told Hussie my weakness was tarot cards?
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CidGregor posted:So there's no official update yet, but if you'll take a look at the kickstarter, there is a new reward tier that includes a Homestuck themed deck of Tarot Cards with loving amazing art.
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Trebuchet King posted:gently caress gently caress gently caress
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Let's all start discussing how well the character choices fit to the Major Arcana they have been assigned to, because I do not know anything about them and am seriously legit curious.
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Trebuchet King posted:gently caress gently caress gently caress
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CidGregor posted:Let's all start discussing how well the character choices fit to the Major Arcana they have been assigned to, because I do not know anything about them and am seriously legit curious. Young Dave fits the concept perfectly. He has even explicitly acknowledged that he is going through the Hero's Journey archetypical concept, and the Fool often is used to represent that.
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Ugh I hope he sells those tarot cards on the store, I don't have that kind of money
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Oh man, I really hope the deck and the tote bag wind up in the store. I don't wanna switch from my Snoutpak but I REEEEAAALLY want that tote bag.
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JT Jag posted:Well, let's just start with 0 - The Fool. The Fool can be considered either the first or the last card of the Major Arcana depending on how you interpret it. It represents infinite possibility, but also represents lack of experience. In many tarot games, the Fool is a wild card. Tell me more, please!  (this is not sarcasm)
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CidGregor posted:Let's all start discussing how well the character choices fit to the Major Arcana they have been assigned to, because I do not know anything about them and am seriously legit curious. But Gamzee and Kanaya as Strength....what's up with that? Edit: Oh, I see, it matches typical Strength card art: Gamzee is a lion, and Kanaya represents a woman, gentle yet dominant over the lion. Color Printer fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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JT Jag posted:Well, let's just start with 0 - The Fool. The Fool can be considered either the first or the last card of the Major Arcana depending on how you interpret it. It represents infinite possibility, but also represents lack of experience. In many tarot games, the Fool is a wild card. I really liked the four God Tier kids as The World - it made me kinda retrospectively wish The Fool had been the four kids prior to the start of the game.
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JT Jag posted:If someone told me that there was a significant overlap in MSPA fans and Persona fans I wouldn't be that surprised. See, that's the thing--I've played like 20min, at most, of Persona 2, and that's it. I just think tarot is neat. I love reading things like the comparison of books in the Dresden Files to the sequence of the Major Arcana, for example. I'm superstitious as poo poo, but the only form of fortunetelling I don't scoff at is tarot. Not so much because I believe in it, I think, but rather because of the inherent element of storytelling, an art form I have an insane amount of respect for, necessary in tarot readings.
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Color Printer posted:Well, the ones like Lovers, Empress, Magician, Death, and Devil are pretty obvious choices. Terezi as Justice is pretty obvious, too (I laughed). This is a C+P of what one of my friends had to say about it: quote:G: i think the tower should have been lord english though
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The one pick for the major arcana I don't quite get is the Tower. I always had a fondness for the Tower because of its meaning: Everything else could have multiple symbolic meanings, but Tower is pretty simple. Tower is 'oh, poo poo'. There's a lot of moments that could suit that in Homestuck (personally I'd go for Bec being prototyped), but I wouldn't say the ectobiology session fits.
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Look behind John though.
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Some of the ones I think I get (disclaimer: I know nothing about tarot that the internet cannot teach me, so I'm basically incompetent): 0, The Fool - Dave: The Fool represents inexperience and the search for growth. For Dave, who seems to have the most visible and straightforward character development of any of the main kids. Compare his lines about being a hero here versus in the latest walkaround: Dave posted:i think i might be "supposed" to kill him anyway? Which is, granted, in keeping with his old irony and detachment, but his acknowledgement of his own role is a new development. Apparently some traditions also interpret the Fool as the protagonist of a story the Tarot tells (and no not just the Persona tradition geez), so that might provide some insight on how Hussie views the story. IV, The Emperor - Equius: The Emperor represents the old order, conservatism, and strength. It can also mean stagnation and failure due to overadherence to strict rules. If that isn't Equius I don't know what is. VII, The Chariot - Eridan: The Chariot represents struggle, conflict, and also brute strength. If anyone tried to brute strength their way through their problems, it was Eridan (LOWAA, for example). XIII, Death - Lord English: Doesn't represent death necessarily, but instead a passing away of the old and a change to something new. Fits Lord English by name alone, but also from the way he apparently broke the system of SBURB to make himself a god. XVI, The Tower - John and Ectobabies: The Tower represents a sudden, shocking change, potentially hugely destructive. I don't really remember this part of the comic, but I seem to recall "oh hey you are actually a timeloop paradox clone that you yourself had a hand in creating" was a pretty significant development. edit: I guess maybe the choice on Lord English and the Ectobabies has to do with the nature and speed of the development? Lord English's role was, from the point of view of the reader, something that slowly revealed itself over the course of the comic, and even in-universe doesn't represent a new change ("He is already here.") Most of the characters don't even know why he matters yet, if I recall correctly. The Ectobabies thing, on the other hand, qualifies as a sudden, shocking revelation for John, that changed the way he viewed the world and himself fundamentally. Valentin fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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of bees posted:This is a C+P of what one of my friends had to say about it:  Very enlightening, though.
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Oh my god those tarots. How does Hussie just keep finding awesome rewards like that.
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I'm pretty sure the Reckoning was supposed to be a pretty "OH poo poo" moment.
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Tollymain posted:Look behind John though. ...Okay, you win.
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Fine, Hussie. I was probably just going to spend that money on frivlous things like food anyways.
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I like the choice of Egbert for the Hanged Man, for the most part. Kind of mimics when he attained god tier. Though, I don't think it suits his personality so much as his role in the story. Maybe it's also an allusion to him being the first kid to enter the medium, but I'm not sure. Its been a long time since I've really known anything about tarot meanings. I'm better at remembering the minor arcana anyways. I really like Eridan in the three of swords... actually pretty much the entire suit. Especially the nine of swords. EDIT: Also like the fact that there's corresponding carapace people in the royality in the minor arcana. Especially considering that Hearts/Cups, Wands/Clubs, Swords/Spades and Pentacles/Diamonds and how often regular card suits come up.
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Edit: oh my god that tarot deck is so pretty Ominous Jazz fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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Cleretic posted:EDIT: I swear I recognize the artstyle for the Death card. Who did that? Okay, seems I was mistaken and it was Jonathan Griffiths. Walliard fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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