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BeastOfExmoor posted:Thanks for the reply. That's really a big negative for people like me. A 32gb microSD card costs $20 at this point. I know streaming is the hot thing at the moment, but 90% of the time I'd want to use a tablet I wouldn't have access to a connection with enough bandwidth to reliably stream anything (crappy hotel wi-fi and airplanes).
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:You can buy one of these and use a USB flash drive if you don't mind it hanging out and flopping around. I did that on my first N7 but it required unlocking the tablet (easy enough with a handy wizard found on the XDA forums). If I traveled more I'd definitely do it again but right now I'm not too bothered about it. But I do wish Google didn't move away from MicroSD storage - why remove the option to add a cheap 32gb, as well as a selling point the iPads don't have?
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krushgroove posted:I did that on my first N7 but it required unlocking the tablet (easy enough with a handy wizard found on the XDA forums). If I traveled more I'd definitely do it again but right now I'm not too bothered about it. But I do wish Google didn't move away from MicroSD storage - why remove the option to add a cheap 32gb, as well as a selling point the iPads don't have? Doctor rear end in a top hat, on the last page, posted:It's been discussed several times. Nexus models will no longer have SD card slots. Here's some of the reasoning:
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Saw that, still thought it was worth asking the question. I don't think there's anyone that would mind paying a few extra dollars/shekels for the ability to instantly add 32GB of space to their tablet.
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Sep 18, 2012 11:55
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krushgroove posted:Saw that, still thought it was worth asking the question. I don't think there's anyone that would mind paying a few extra dollars/shekels for the ability to instantly add 32GB of space to their tablet.
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Rumor has it that the Transformer Prime is getting Jelly Bean on the 20th. Hopefully it's true.
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I think I'm going to return my Nexus under warranty and get my second replacement. This touchscreen issue seems to be widespread and might be due to heat. Goddamn it Asus. Now I have to unroot it and return to stock. How shall I back up my games progress? Titanium?
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The Merkinman posted:You act as though cost of the device is the only reason to not include it. Doctor rear end in a top hat has laid it that there are other reasons as well. I guess I'd discount most of those reasons from Google as 'doesn't affect 90% of users' and still say I'd be happy to pay more for a physical microSD card - it's one of the reasons I picked an S III instead of a Nexus phone, after all. An expansion slot would help any tablet get points over any iPad, as I've said before. But whatever, moot argument.
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krushgroove posted:I did that on my first N7 but it required unlocking the tablet
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I'll give that a try tonight! I don't mind unlocking or rooting using the wizard I mentioned earlier, but I know that works - I think this app is aimed at people that don't want to risk 'messing up' anything with their tablet, but what the hell, I still have credit from the Play store from when I originally bought my N7.
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Frozen-Solid posted:Rumor has it that the Transformer Prime is getting Jelly Bean on the 20th. Hopefully it's true. Not disproving it, but it seems weird having a patch release 4 days before, then releasing it to me. I'm hoping it's true though!
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:It's been discussed several times. Nexus models will no longer have SD card slots. Here's some of the reasoning: The OMG CLOUD argument is even worse because US cellular carriers (and some home ISPs) are actively reducing the amount of monthly bandwith their customers get in the name of profit.
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Syrinxx posted:The only reason devices don't have expandable storage is so that the manufacturer can make a nice little profit at point of sale by charging $50 for $6 worth of flash storage (or $200 for $12 worth of storage see also Apple Computer Co.) Literally none of the rest of these arguments hold water except maybe the app 2 sd issue which is something normal users would not do in the first place. The reasons listed are valid, but manufacturers will of course take the opportunity to gouge. I don't think most of us would mind if the nexus had 64GB & cost $20 more.
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None of the reasons that guy listed bear much relevance to how removable storage is handled in devices like my Transformer TF101 tablet. You can't install programs on the removable sd card. There's no need for the tablet to present a USB mass storage mode to the user, the user can just put stuff on the sd card directly. Avoiding "user decisions on where to store data" is just silly; it's just as much a user decision on where to store data to put something on the tablet or phone at all! Plus noone's forced to use it either. And the "cost" and "space" to have a microsd slot is utterly trivial. Also since when has Android or manufacturers cared about proprietary standards? Pretty sure all cell phones have to support proprietary standards just to work; and exFAT support isn't even necessary to have sd cards.
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Endless Mike posted:Nexus devices will not have removable storage going forward. I wouldn't rule it out. They did a behind the scenes refactor of the storage system in Jelly Bean and the shared storage directory is now "/storage/sdcard0", not "/sdcard" as it used to be (though that path still works since they set it up as a symlink to the new location). Seems to be a pretty strong indicator that they're planning on bringing it back.
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Vagrancy posted:I wouldn't rule it out. They did a behind the scenes refactor of the storage system in Jelly Bean and the shared storage directory is now "/storage/sdcard0", not "/sdcard" as it used to be (though that path still works since they set it up as a symlink to the new location). Seems to be a pretty strong indicator that they're planning on bringing it back.
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:Or they're making it easier for manufacturers to continue to use them. The Nexus 7 is the Jelly Bean device and it doesn't have an SD card. If we start getting Nexus devices with SD cards I will be angry because that means the spergs have won and manufacturers won't ever bother putting a decent amount of storage on-device because "hey, just put an SD card in it." At least Flash is gone. I don't think manufacturers care about putting on a decent amount of storage anyway. Putting more on would squeeze profit margins when users expect most of the high end phones to be $199 subsidized.
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The exFAT/FAT filesystems are covered under Microsoft patents. Implementing SD card storage that would be of any use to users would require those filesystems. Samsung, HTC, et al pay Microsoft a per-device royalty to use it. Given the current environment with respect to patents, I can't imagine Google would cave on this.
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kitten smoothie posted:The exFAT/FAT filesystems are covered under Microsoft patents. Implementing SD card storage that would be of any use to users would require those filesystems. Samsung, HTC, et al pay Microsoft a per-device royalty to use it. Google makes no devices themselves, all manufacturers who make their devices already pay to license SD stuff. And the FAT royalty is really loving tiny. It's somewhere below a quarter per unit; since 24 cents per unit was the worst case scenario price I found. Also everyone who has plugged a usb stick into a Nexus 7 has shown that the device can read FAT volumes and thus ASUS has been paying to license it for the Nexus 7; so no FAT license fees were avoided.
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See all the comments from techies & geeks who just don't get why there's no expandable storage. But I guess a flat USB cable with a MicroSD reader can be tucked into a case so you can have 4, 8, 16GB or whatever you want, permanently attached.
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Syrinxx posted:The only reason devices don't have expandable storage is so that the manufacturer can make a nice little profit at point of sale by charging $50 for $6 worth of flash storage (or $200 for $12 worth of storage see also Apple Computer Co.) Literally none of the rest of these arguments hold water except maybe the app 2 sd issue which is something normal users would not do in the first place. Google is the one who mandates no SD storage on Nexus devices, and they're not exactly in the business of making hardware, much less scheming to make more profit on it. Regardless of that point, it's completely possible for both technical and profit motives to hold true. Believe me, there are tons of technical issues with using SD storage. There's workarounds, but they are all bandaid solutions.
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Thermopyle posted:Google is the one who mandates no SD storage on Nexus devices, and they're not exactly in the business of making hardware, much less scheming to make more profit on it.
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Syrinxx posted:Then why does the 16GB Nexus 7, which Google sells directly to customers, cost fifty dollars more than the 8GB? That amount of NAND costs less than $10. Ordinary flash costs half that much.
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Syrinxx posted:Then why does the 16GB Nexus 7, which Google sells directly to customers, cost fifty dollars more than the 8GB? That amount of NAND costs less than $10. Ordinary flash costs half that much.
In other words, the world is complicated and not everyone is out to get you and a lot of people are and sometimes you can't get what you want and you can't always know whats going on and what seems obvious often isn't.
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^ While those are all true, a $50 premium for 8GB of storage feels like a terrible value proposition to many of us. Same with the idea that external storage should be available. Yes, I understand there are issues with it, but computers have been using external storage since their inception and there have always been issues, but they've always been dealt with. For many of us the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and the decision does not seem sensible for that reason. Kindle Fire HD already got rooted. I think I'll sit back and see where that goes. For my use scenario the extra 8gb of storage, HDMI out and better speakers would be major features. If they can break out of Amazon's walled garden a bit more I might be sold.
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krushgroove posted:See all the comments from techies & geeks who just don't get why there's no expandable storage.
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are any of you guys still using the Xoom? Mine is still going strong, 6 months with no screen protector, no scratches. A lot of people gave me poo poo when I bought it, but the only thing I desire is better resoltion. Im hesitant to upgrade because i havent really had any problems. I never did get the 4G upgrade, I dont get 4g in my area.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:^ While those are all true, a $50 premium for 8GB of storage feels like a terrible value proposition to many of us. Yes, but that's a different issue from saying that SD storage went away so they could rake you over the coals to make big profits. If the extra 8GB cost them $49 and they're charging you $50, it would still be 50 bucks for 8GB...a terrible value.
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Thermopyle posted:Yes, but that's a different issue from saying that SD storage went away so they could rake you over the coals to make big profits. FWIW, I never was saying that they removed it to make big profits. It just seems really weird to release a top of the line device that's crippled by its lack of storage and also doesn't give the user the ability to change that. I don't understand your last statement at all.
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:Apparently this works without needing to root/unlock. Does android really not have a built-in automatic backup solution? What the gently caress have they been doing since 2009?
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Does android really not have a built-in automatic backup solution? What the gently caress have they been doing since 2009? e: for what it's worth I didn't need to do anything when I switched phones. My new one redownloaded all my poo poo after I logged in. butt dickus fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Sep 19, 2012 |
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:The only way to backup application data without root is to use ADB's backup command, which was only added in 4.0. Everything else is stored in the cloud, so you don't need to back it up. As it stands right now, if you don't want to lose your Angry Birds scores when you're flashing ROMs or whatever the cool kids are doing these days, you have to use ADB and backup with a computer or root and use something like Titanium Backup to save stuff to your SD card.
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randyest posted:What about logins / passwords?
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:WiFi passwords are restored. I think now passwords saved in Chrome will restore as well, but my old phone didn't have Chrome. I didn't have anything else that required passwords.
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randyest posted:What about logins / passwords? Chrome/Browser auto-sync, plus a combo of Keepass and Google Drive. If you're talking about logging into everything on your device again automatically (eg Facebook, Twitter), I'd imagine that it would be a massive security risk.
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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randyest posted:I'm thinking of that too. Why would it be a security risk with a password-protected encrypted backup?
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LastInLine posted:Because if ADB can do it so could an apk in certain situations.
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:e: for what it's worth I didn't need to do anything when I switched phones. My new one redownloaded all my poo poo after I logged in. What witchery did you use to redownload everything? Was it in one go, or did you play around with settings, etc., before you switched off your old phone? I recently upgraded phones (old Galaxy S to new one) and swapped tablets (RMA'd an N7) and had to individually find and install all the apps I wanted on both devices. It wasn't a big deal because I didn't actually want to re-install *everything* I had, but it would've been nice to have everything in one checklist and do a mass download/install.
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krushgroove posted:What witchery did you use to redownload everything? Was it in one go, or did you play around with settings, etc., before you switched off your old phone? I recently upgraded phones (old Galaxy S to new one) and swapped tablets (RMA'd an N7) and had to individually find and install all the apps I wanted on both devices. It wasn't a big deal because I didn't actually want to re-install *everything* I had, but it would've been nice to have everything in one checklist and do a mass download/install. I think it's when you start the device for the first time and go through the Android activation (entering in your Google info, etc). You can choose to "Restore from Google" and it'll download your apps (and settings?). However, this will only work if you had "Backup to Google" selected on your previous device.
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