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joneswt posted:Dembski-Bowden has usurped Abnett as the best BL writer like a wet-leopard growl. For fans of 40k, I'd say this is true when you compare their current work (though Know No Fear was really great), but ADB's books are really heavily steeped in backstory. Part of what makes things like Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts so great is that they'd be incredibly enjoyable even if the person reading them knows nothing about 40k. I'd like to see Dembski-Bowden write something that isn't about space marines. Some of the best parts of his books involve regular humans (Helsreach!), but everything he's done since Cadian Blood has been SM- or CSM-centric. And Cadian Blood was his first 40k book! Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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Yeah, I'm reading the Night Lords trilogy now, just started book 3, and the best parts are those including septimus/octavia. The books are pretty drat good, but yeah, full of unexplained lore-bits. He does like to reiterate that space marines have 2 hearts and spit poison though, jeez.
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Sep 17, 2012 22:56
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Mechafunkzilla posted:For fans of 40k, I'd say this is true when you compare their current work (though Know No Fear was really great), but ADB's books are really heavily steeped in backstory. Part of what makes things like Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts so great is that they'd be incredibly enjoyable even if the person reading them knows nothing about 40k. Abnett does some interesting stuff with language, whereas ADB is much more about characterization and interpersonal relationships. Both are pretty uncontestably the best Black Library authors.
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Samopsa posted:Yeah, I'm reading the Night Lords trilogy now, just started book 3, and the best parts are those including septimus/octavia. The books are pretty drat good, but yeah, full of unexplained lore-bits. He does like to reiterate that space marines have 2 hearts and spit poison though, jeez. God help you if you read Prospero Burns or any Ciaphas Cain. Youe brain will probably somehow make you smell Jurgen, a bowl of tanna and a squished pocket sandwich as Ciaphas dissembles that it wasnt him who has a wet-leopord growl because it would damage his undeserved reputation. All this while you are constantly cold because certain people like turning the AC up to freezing temperatures. Dunno. Never even registered if he was reiterating that too much to me. Then again maybe I've been armored after reading those aforementioned books. Or my view is just tinted by how awesome I find ADBs books.
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Khadhul posted:I dunno man, I've only read Warrior and Seer, but I quite liked the alternate viewpoint given in Seer, and how it highlights how much of an egotistical creepy sperg the protagonist of Warrior really is. The again I'm very much a "story is about the journey" kinda guy as opposed to a "story is about the end" kinda guy so ymmv v To be fair, the first book makes it pretty clear really early on that the protagonist is the equivalent of a creepy neckbeard and it's his unhealthy social attitudes and inability to control himself that drives him onto the Path of the Warrior. I do kind of agree with GW's stance of not writing xenos books. It's hard to associate and emphasise with the characters when they can be so one dimensional. Deff Squadron was awesome though so maybe it's just an issue of finding the perfect writer and the right medium to tell those stories. To the author talk, ADB and Abnett are awesome but I think Caiaphas Cain is much more readable and accessible to a general public. It's brainless, extremely easy to read and does a good job of explaining the 40k universe to someone who does not know anything about it.
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Know No Fear made me an Ultramarines fan. Horus Rising made me feel really bad for everybody involved. Eisenhorn was great, except that I started to get burnt out by the third book. I'm not interested enough in the Inquisition to pick up Ravenor. That Space Wolves book, though... What a disjointed loving mess. His atmosphere, characters, attention to detail, and language are great, but his structure needs a lot of work. Also, wet leopard snarls are both gross and weird and don't make sense even for Space Wolves.
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Sep 18, 2012 05:42
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah, he got all WWE and snapped its spine over his knee. This is basically the primarch finishing move. Russ did it to Magnus and I fully expect Horus to do it to Sanguinius.
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Sep 18, 2012 15:20
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Big Willy Style posted:This is basically the primarch finishing move. Russ did it to Magnus and I fully expect Horus to do it to Sanguinius. Call it the Batman effect.
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Degenerate Star posted:Also, wet leopard snarls are both gross and weird and don't make sense even for Space Wolves. It's a little-known fact that the cognomen of the Rout was originally the Space Wet Leopards. This, however, had to be discarded when it was pointed out that leopards as such do not exist on Fenris, and even if they did, wet ones would quickly have their fur freeze solid in the exposed wilds. The Felis Helix also had to be renamed.
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Sep 19, 2012 01:52
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can someone link like a youtube video or something of a "wet leopard snarl"? I have no idea what he meant there
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Sep 19, 2012 04:02
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Fried Chicken posted:can someone link like a youtube video or something of a "wet leopard snarl"? I have no idea what he meant there Quick search yielded this. Not sure about the wetness, though.
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Sep 19, 2012 04:59
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Fried Chicken posted:can someone link like a youtube video or something of a "wet leopard snarl"? I have no idea what he meant there Cats don't like getting wet. Thus, a wet leopard would be an angry leopard.
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Sep 19, 2012 15:00
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Fried Chicken posted:can someone link like a youtube video or something of a "wet leopard snarl"? I have no idea what he meant there Very poor choice of phrasing, Mr. Abnett, very poor indeed... 
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Sep 19, 2012 15:01
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What is the "wet leopard snarl" thing even referring to?
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Sep 19, 2012 16:25
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Abnett over uses the phrase in Prospero Burns when the Space Wolves get pissed off.
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Sep 19, 2012 16:33
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jadebullet posted:What is the "wet leopard snarl" thing even referring to? the 20 or so uses of the phrase in Abnett's HH Space Wolf book, Prospero Burns.
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Sep 19, 2012 16:40
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Leopards actually swim quite frequently so the whole phrase is bogus. 
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Sep 19, 2012 18:51
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Trast posted:Leopards actually swim quite frequently so the whole phrase is bogus. Well, "phlegmy leopard growl" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
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Sep 19, 2012 19:18
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Cream_Filling posted:Well, "phlegmy leopard growl" doesn't have quite the same ring to it. "Congested leopard growl" doesn't either come to think of it.
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Sep 20, 2012 19:25
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Damp? Soggy? Moist? Nope, none of those work either.
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"Really pissed off giant cat" work?
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Sep 21, 2012 02:18
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Pissed kitten moan.
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Please tell me that Purging of Kadilus gets better. I enjoyed the ork bit in the prolog, though the part with the sentry looking out at the dust cloud and exclaiming "Emperor's Balls." was a bit, odd. Anyway, now I am at the part where the Chaplain just finished beating up some orks, which felt kind of flat and disconjointed to me, and he just pulled a prayer scroll from the wall that had survived the Ork vandalism. He then crumples it up, and gets pissed over the fact that the Orks have done so much damage to his home. Maybe it is because all I have been reading as of late is Abnett and ADB, but I am having issues caring about this book. Please tell me that we get some character development and dialog soon. As of right now, I don't give two shits about Chaplain Boreas, or whatever his name is.
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jadebullet posted:Please tell me that Purging of Kadilus gets better. I enjoyed the ork bit in the prolog, though the part with the sentry looking out at the dust cloud and exclaiming "Emperor's Balls." was a bit, odd. Anyway, now I am at the part where the Chaplain just finished beating up some orks, which felt kind of flat and disconjointed to me, and he just pulled a prayer scroll from the wall that had survived the Ork vandalism. He then crumples it up, and gets pissed over the fact that the Orks have done so much damage to his home. Heh good job buying a Gav Thorpe book 
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jadebullet posted:Please tell me that Purging of Kadilus gets better. I enjoyed the ork bit in the prolog, though the part with the sentry looking out at the dust cloud and exclaiming "Emperor's Balls." was a bit, odd. Anyway, now I am at the part where the Chaplain just finished beating up some orks, which felt kind of flat and disconjointed to me, and he just pulled a prayer scroll from the wall that had survived the Ork vandalism. He then crumples it up, and gets pissed over the fact that the Orks have done so much damage to his home. I only got about halfway through and had to quit reading it.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Heh good job buying a Gav Thorpe book He said smugly as he was smugly smugging he smugged saying smug.
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So hey, guess I'm an idiot, but I just now made the connection that ADB's next book is probably the tie in to ForgeWorld's Horus Heresy release, since they are both dealing with Angron and have a Betrayer/Betrayal name going to them. By the way, here is Forge World's Angron model http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Angron-wep.html
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Slogging my way through The Primarchs after finishing Emperor's Gift and boy howdy the Fulgrim story was really bad. I really needed 40 pages of torture porn. The Iron Hands story right after it is pretty bad so far too.
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Scoobi posted:Slogging my way through The Primarchs after finishing Emperor's Gift and boy howdy the Fulgrim story was really bad. I really needed 40 pages of torture porn. The Iron Hands story right after it is pretty bad so far too. Nevermind bad; it's plot twist is nonsensical, ruins the main character theme of Fulgrim and invalidates a major plot point in Aurelian.
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Well gently caress. I just can't read further in Kadilus. It is like pulling teeth and reminds me of trying to read the Dawn of War omnibus that I bought before I knew better. Here's hoping that Legion of the Damned is better, but if not, I still have a bunch of Gaunts Ghosts books to read, Eisenhorn, Ravenor, and Brotherhood of the Snake.
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Scoobi posted:Is there an ebook for Aurelian? It seems to have been a limited edition thing? Takes 2 years for limited editions to get rereleased as paperback/e-books iirc.
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Nephilm posted:Nevermind bad; it's plot twist is nonsensical, ruins the main character theme of Fulgrim and invalidates a major plot point in Aurelian. I prefer to think of it as Aurelian invalidates the Fulgrim story. Scoobi posted:Is there an ebook for Aurelian? It seems to have been a limited edition thing? It would be :files: if it is, and thus bad. By the way, have you ever checked out #acolyte? It is a cool place. We should chat.
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jadebullet posted:Well gently caress. I just can't read further in Kadilus. It is like pulling teeth and reminds me of trying to read the Dawn of War omnibus that I bought before I knew better. Legion of the Damned is decent.
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Arquinsiel posted:Damp? Soggy? Moist? Wet pussy moan. brb gotta film a parody 40k porno.
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Just picked up The Best of Hammer & Bolter Vol. 1 on sale...will I still regret it? Otherwise I guess it's on to Gaunt's Ghosts since ADB has written too few novels for my taste. Still holding off on Horus until I'm about 30 books deep into the regular BL.
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Cream_Filling posted:Legion of the Damned is decent. It may be weird, but it is my favorite BL novel. It was so totally different than what I was expecting it to be and something about it just really clicked with me. As I've been reading other novels (just finished For The Emperor, about to start Helsreach and the nightlords books), I've actually re-read Legion three times.
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