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Throatwarbler posted:So other than looking kind of goofy what's wrong with it? It's a first gen SLK with the engine out of an E320, and if I'm not mistaken they tried to use much cheaper materials than the SLK used. It also stickered in like the 40s or so I think.
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Hashal posted:
See, case in point. I'm a Mopar guy, and I don't care how rich I ever get or how good their cars are, I'll never own a MB product. NEVER FORGET
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Throatwarbler posted:So other than looking kind of goofy what's wrong with it? For what it was supposed to be, it was super anemic. I suppose the supercharged SRT6 wouldn't be so bad (but only came in an auto) at 330 HP, but the 215HP V6 merc engine was pretty sad pushing such a small car that weighed over 3,000 lbs. My 2001 Infiniti I30 3.0 has more HP and feels faster. The 6 speed felt sloppy. Zero space, can barely fit a single set of golf clubs in it. There was no cup holder (well, there was a single one that fit a 12oz can, but it would likely break after 10k miles). Fake plastic factory air vents in the front. A questionable speed activated rear spoiler, that was a nightmare at speeds around 50 MPH as it would constantly extend and retract. 19" wheels in the back, 18" wheels in the front for what I can only assume were to look cool (read the first sentence). Traction control... that had a button to turn off the traction control... that did not actually turn off the traction control. You had to pull a fuse to actually disable it, and then deal with about 4 warning lights on your dash at all times. It was a fun car while I had it, but it was also my first sports car. For the price you could get a way better sports car with more power, handling, and "cool factor". poo poo, my Z06 has more trunk space than the Crossfire does. Oh yeah, 80% Mercedes parts means Mercedes maintenance prices. In a $30k Chrysler sports coupe in the early 2000s. The SRT6 was around $45k I think? There's a reason they only had a short run. I'm surprised it was around as long as it was (2003 - 07 I believe). I'm pretty sure the only reason I bought one was because my dad took me to a classic car race in San Diego at the Coronado Naval air strip in 2002 where things like classic Shelby Cobras were actually racing (not very close to each other). They had the Crossfire debuting as the pacecar and I was 16. Bought a Crossfire when I was around 23 or 24? It was better than the '96 Thunderbird I had at the time! Loan Dusty Road fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Sep 21, 2012 |
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My dad had a Crossfire for 2 years because the dealers around here just couldn't move them. It was neat in that it was the first Mercedes-Benz I had ever driven, but it was pretty gutless. He just had it because it looked cool and the lease was well under 300 dollars a month with zero down. His next car was a Mazdaspeed 6 which was about 100 times more entertaining. e: Now he owns a 2012 5 liter Mustang so he's pretty rad.
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I actually liked the styling of the Crossfire, and the SRT6 was definitely more fun to drive, but like was said maintenance costs were asinine, even the SRT6 wasn't powerful enough, and in the segment virtually everything was a better buy. It was perhaps the most glaring example of just how bad MB didn't get it in regards to running an American car company. Lesson learned is if you're a car company with terrible books, buy a profitable car company, drain their coffers, then say they went bankrupt as you do nothing to change your own product.
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VikingSkull posted:The fact is, Americans have always done large cars fairly well, and trucks to great effect, and Europeans have always had the best small cars and sports cars. A company that gets the best of both worlds with management that isn't retarded, like Chrysler and Fiat seem to have, is just going to be awesome. Is that even close to true? What American designed large cars ever had any degree of success in export markets? Those Buicks the Chinese loved sprint to mind but what else?
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dissss posted:Is that even close to true? Doesn't have to be talking about export markets. The Civic has always been more successful than the Cavalier (or Cobalt, or Cruze) and the Cadillac Seville/STS has always been more succesful than the Q45/56 or LS400.
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Are those Cadillacs really considered to be good cars though (good and successful being quite different things)? Also the Cavalier sold around 6,000,000 over its production run. Not as many as the Civic, but then that was produced for longer and was sold worldwide.
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dissss posted:Is that even close to true? The entire Middle East loves their Caprices and Grand Marquis, along with SUVs of every kind. American SUVs had a lot of cachet pretty much world-wide for a while. More recently, Jeep has done very well in Europe now that they've started marketing them there. Mexico, one of the largest US export markets, basically buys the same stuff as in the US for their middle to high end market, with a bunch of last gen stuff for the cheap part of the market. Historically, large American luxury cars were actually the "standard of the world."
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The dumbest thing about the crossfire is it came with the mercedes m112 (215hp 3.2L) instead of chrysler's own 250hp 3.5L. Heck even chrysler's 3.2 was making 225hp at the time. Yes, I would love to have a mercedes engine with mercedes engine part prices, just so I can get less power than chrysler's own comparable engines! e;f;b
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If you combine Cavalier and Sunfire sales figures I'm pretty sure they outsold Civic. Chinese large Buicks and the ME Caprice have always been Holden Commodores.
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Spatule posted:New Jaguar F-Type leaked on Facebook or something: Those look loving fantastic.
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Kenshin posted:Those look loving fantastic. I see wayyyyy to much Ferrari California in the red one. MrChips posted:What still surprises me to this day is that when Honda made the NR engine (that's the one with oval pistons), they stuck with a conventional circular poppet valves. I was under the impression that circular valves actually rotated under operation. I know the valvesprings do. Ziploc fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Sep 21, 2012 |
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Sep 21, 2012 22:43
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I don't care for the overall look, but man the details on the new Robocop's armor design is all car all the way. It's cool:
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kimbo305 posted:I don't care for the overall look, but man the details on the new Robocop's armor design is all car all the way. It's cool: I had no idea the new model was made by GM. It's all ill-fitting-together plastic. 
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They're remaking Robocop? Philistines.
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Throatwarbler posted:If you combine Cavalier and Sunfire sales figures I'm pretty sure they outsold Civic. Only recently have the big Chinese Buicks been Holdens. Before that, they were LeSabres and Park Avenues.
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Cream_Filling posted:They're remaking Robocop? Philistines. You haven't even seen the suit yet:  I don't know if I should be excited or upset. I'm used to Robocop being silver.
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PeterWeller posted:Only recently have the big Chinese Buicks been Holdens. Before that, they were LeSabres and Park Avenues. I know they might have imported some LeSabres and such to Taiwan but neither of those were ever sold in China to the best of my knowledge. The first large Buick in China was called the Royaum and it was an imported Statesman. Unless you're counting the W-body Regal/Century as "large".
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Devyl posted:You haven't even seen the suit yet: There better be a Taurus involved.
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travisray2004 posted:There better be a Taurus involved. There is 
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Tbh, I hope that project was languishing in Hollywood until the Taurus came back.
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Devyl posted:You haven't even seen the suit yet: I didn't know Batman was a Daft Punk fan t 
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I saw a new SHO with smoked headlights and matte black paint. Just needed a push bar and spotlight.
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Devyl posted:You haven't even seen the suit yet: The whole idea in the original was that robocop is a product designed by committee like a bad car. He should at least have lots of chrome vents and swooshes stuck all over his shiny, stupid looking body, in addition to giant metal shoulders and pecs to intimidate people and look super tuff on crime to execs. And, to modernize, stupid blue LEDs on everything. With maybe a superfluous touch screen. Hell, white would have made more sense than matte black, if we're talking about dumb trendy design. That or just gross silver-painted plastic. A robot designed like a 90s cell phone or a Subaru interior. That thing looks like a bad copy of a Batman suit. And doesn't look like a robot at all. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Sep 23, 2012 |
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Your description is exactly what the new RoboCop should look like. The whole movie is going to miss the point by a country mile, which is sad because if done right, a new RoboCop would be timely and just so very relevant.
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I remember when I was a young executive for this studio. I used to call the old character design funny names. "Tin Man." "Radioshack." Once I even called him... "Eighties cheese." But there was always respect. I always knew where the line was drawn. And you just stepped over it, buddy-boy. You've insulted me. And you've insulted this film with that bastard creation of yours. I had a guaranteed fanboy sale with a reboot. Theatrical re-release program. Special edition Blu-Ray tins for 25 years. Who cares if it sucked or not? (Also, no-one at work understands why I find it hilarious that one of our high-end execs is called Dick Jones.)
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InitialDave posted:(Also, no-one at work understands why I find it hilarious that one of our high-end execs is called Dick Jones.)
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Throatwarbler posted:Unless you're counting the W-body Regal/Century as "large". Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. It's hard to tell all those Buicks apart. And in China, those are quite large.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Holy poo poo, you have one too?
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Devyl posted:You haven't even seen the suit yet: If the suit has a TANNNNNK MISSLE then you know someone has been watching too much Iron Man
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dissss posted:Is that even close to true? Ford Taurus, Chrysler LH cars, Seville/Deville, Aurora, were all great large cars. And domestics produced innumerable amazing large cars in the decades before that too. Now you've got the LX cars, large Epsilons, and the Taurus that I'd take over any comparably priced import. The only whiffed domestic large cars I can think of are things like the DTS and Impala refreshes in 2006 that just went on too long.
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I got to test drive the first C-Max delivered to a Las Vegas dealership, about 2 hours after it rolled off the truck, and 15 minutes after they detailed it. It is a very impressive car! Drives well, peppy...enough, great indicated mileage, solid feel, nice interior, quiet, and spacious as HELL! I could definitely see myself owning one next model year or so.
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Pseudonym posted:Your description is exactly what the new RoboCop should look like. The whole movie is going to miss the point by a country mile, which is sad because if done right, a new RoboCop would be timely and just so very relevant. The original Robocop is still incredibly timely and relevant.
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an oddly awful oud posted:The original Robocop is still incredibly timely and relevant. Yeah, we never really got past the 80s. At this point, we're basically living in a light to moderate 80s dystopia. Which is kind of cool, I guess.
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AdmiralViscen posted:Ford Taurus, Chrysler LH cars, Seville/Deville, Aurora, were all great large cars. And domestics produced innumerable amazing large cars in the decades before that too. Now you've got the LX cars, large Epsilons, and the Taurus that I'd take over any comparably priced import. I can only speak for the 90s Taurus and STS, but they're both regarded as utter garbage in my part of the world. The only other large American car to make it out here was the 300c which is regarded as better but still not worth buying.
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dissss posted:I can only speak for the 90s Taurus and STS, but they're both regarded as utter garbage in my part of the world. In Canada the STS is also regarded as being a terrible pile of poo poo. The LS400 has always been a far better car. The Oldsmobile Aurora is also pretty lousy.
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Throatwarbler posted:If you combine Cavalier and Sunfire sales figures I'm pretty sure they outsold Civic. Renault sold 623,573 9/Alliances, outselling the Civic of that same period. I guess that means the Alliance was the better car. Cream_Filling posted:Historically, large American luxury cars were actually the "standard of the world." Yes, in 1935. assfucker420 fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Sep 24, 2012 |
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