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Shimrod posted:On this topic, clutchless upshifting I can do no problem but when I downshift there's always a pretty rough shunt, what's the trick for downshifting? I have no problem when I use the clutch, but with clutchless it's irritating It's a little tougher to do smoothly, the trick is low be in low RPMs in the higher gear so the engine is just barely working to keep you moving while still giving it gas, then push down on the lever, back off the throttle then back on. Be sure to be smooth getting back on. Unlike upshifting there doesn't seem to be much point in doing it without the clutch unless it's broken or something.
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:It's a little tougher to do smoothly, the trick is low be in low RPMs in the higher gear so the engine is just barely working to keep you moving while still giving it gas, then push down on the lever, back off the throttle then back on. Be sure to be smooth getting back on. Clutchless downshifting can be pretty harmful to your box (depending on the design) and certainly makes control trickier, as you're having to blip the throttle up while (presumably) trying to decelerate, as well as increasing engine braking in a distinctly unsmooth manner. Notice that not even racers bother doing it. Like you say, maybe if the clutch is broken and it's your only way home, otherwise just don't do it.
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Sep 24, 2012 10:56
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Hmm, well, fair enough, I only ever do it occasionally anyway to try and get the hang of it, I might just forget about it. I can do it "well" enough to struggle on if I am forced to ever. Thanks guys!
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Sep 24, 2012 11:03
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I tried it a few times and found it seems to pop in nicely if you apply pressure on the gear lever as you gradually raise the revs. I don't do it though as I don't need to have a bucking bronco for the time/effort saved.
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Sep 24, 2012 12:03
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Rush hour on a Friday on the Seattle waterfront. It's sunny, so there are tourists everywhere. The ferries are unloading, so there are cars and pedestrians jamming the streets. I'm behind someone on an R-6. He decides that these are the perfect conditions to pop a wheelie and tear down the street. As this is happening, a car is pulling out from a street parking spot. The R-6 barely comes down and misses the car. This idiot was inches away from flying.
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Sep 24, 2012 15:35
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Pope Mobile posted:Rush hour on a Friday on the Seattle waterfront. It's sunny, so there are tourists everywhere. The ferries are unloading, so there are cars and pedestrians jamming the streets. I'm behind someone on an R-6. He decides that these are the perfect conditions to pop a wheelie and tear down the street. As this is happening, a car is pulling out from a street parking spot. The R-6 barely comes down and misses the car. This idiot was inches away from flying. If there's not a crowd to see it what's the point  Had a discussion with some guy at a coffee shop yesterday, he couldn't seem to understand lane splitting. "But if I'm stuck in traffic, you should be too."
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Sep 24, 2012 16:49
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:If there's not a crowd to see it what's the point
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Sep 25, 2012 00:35
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People on the sidewalk should stop until traffic starts moving.
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Sep 25, 2012 12:24
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:If there's not a crowd to see it what's the point The perfect comeback would be "but that's like socalism, man!" You'd better believe you'd be allowed to lane split like a motherfucker.
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Sep 25, 2012 12:58
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Mr. Eric Praline posted:Pretty convinced this is the only reason it's not legal everywhere. I think this too. However, the official reason is actually a bad reason as well. They claim we're a car country and our drivers are not trained to look for motorcycles. To implement a new section into driver's education and training just to help drivers look for motorcycles, especially in areas between them and another car, would, essentially, be a waste of financial resources when we might as well just make it illegal. So we're going to neglect teaching drivers to look out for motorcycles, which are on the road anyway, to save tax payer dollars; but, in the process of doing so, we're going to endanger a minority (motorcyclists) even more? Isn't that illegal in and of itself? KozmoNaut posted:The perfect comeback would be "but that's like socalism, man!" +1 Seriously, what with Tea Party madness everywhere you can turn just about anything about sharing back in these people's face with "But that's like socialism, isn't it? Do you support socialism?" Thinking back on my parking on the sidewalk issues I should turn this around in everyone's face that "warns" me that if I keep parking and the shop-owners/managers let me get away with it then they are going to start parking their SUV's up there. "But, that'd be like socialism, man - and isn't socialism bad? DID YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA?! CONFESS!" This plan will work particularly well since we're a heavily conservative (heavily, heavily Tea Party) county.
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There was a petition doing the rounds here in Australia about a year back, and I saw an article about a week or two ago saying that apparently various state governments are seriously considering making filtering legal. It'll be loving sweet if that happens. At the moment cops mostly turn a blind eye as far as I know, and drivers aren't generally aresholes, though there are surely some who will try to block you or whatever (secondclasscitizen has posted about how much he loves it when that happens IIRC), or at least get irrationally angry that someone is jumping the queue, even if they don't act out. loving idiots.
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Sep 25, 2012 13:10
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Yeah that'd be nice, I have only ever had issue splitting once. Went right past a cop bike, he pulled me over because "If I didn't, people would be asking me why I'm not doing my job" and let me go
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Sep 25, 2012 13:17
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Wulframn posted:Seriously, what with Tea Party madness everywhere you can turn just about anything about sharing back in these people's face with "But that's like socialism, isn't it? Do you support socialism?" I'm imagining someone lanesplitting like a pro while yelling "BOOTSTRAPS!" at every car they pass.
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Sep 25, 2012 13:39
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KozmoNaut posted:I'm imagining someone lanesplitting like a pro while yelling "BOOTSTRAPS!" at every car they pass. I'm just going to put their stupid flag on the back of my jacket so that everyone I pass will know that I'm standing up to the corrupt government headed by OBAMA with my motorcycle. Then, if I get a ticket, I can cry about political persecution or some nonsense. I'll be just like them.
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Sep 25, 2012 13:42
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Folks will just be like "Lol, Florida" and move on. To really make an impact, you have to be from somewhere unexpected, like Pennsylvania.
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Sep 25, 2012 13:44
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The people who believe in Traffic Fairness baffle me, but they do so from three carlengths behind and growing, soz
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Sep 25, 2012 14:44
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theperminator posted:Yeah that'd be nice, I have only ever had issue splitting once. Only time I've seen a cop while filtering (big crash/backup on the interstate for miles) he was filtering behind me. I pulled into a lane, he flipped on his lights and tapped his tail section. We went a couple miles to my exit and he continued on his way between stopped cars. Tennessee motorcycle cops are pretty awesome.
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Sep 25, 2012 16:02
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I was just sitting here thinking about filtering and splitting, because I do both as well, but usually when the benefits greatly outweigh the anger I might cause some people. I wonder if they'd get as angry if I put an American flag on my bike. I might have to experiment with that, maybe if you have some stuff on your bike that makes you sympathetic to people they won't get so upset. I think I have an old POW MIA flag from my uncle around here too somewhere...
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:Had a discussion with some guy at a coffee shop yesterday, he couldn't seem to understand lane splitting. "But if I'm stuck in traffic, you should be too." This is my friend's argument as well. I don't get it. If I'm not sitting in traffic, that's room for you to move up in. It benefits everyone! I don't lanesplit anyway because I'm a big pussy and don't want some dickhead Chicago driver to "teach me a lesson" and open a door into me/change lanes without a turn signal (who am I kidding that happens anyway).
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americanzero4128 posted:This is my friend's argument as well. I don't get it. If I'm not sitting in traffic, that's room for you to move up in. It benefits everyone! I'm so not even worried about some driver trying to teach me a lesson. I'm worried about a ticket marring my perfect driving record. Let the insults and mocking ensue.
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Sep 25, 2012 17:46
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I know that, when I die, I want my family to be able to proclaim loudly "He had a perfect driving record".
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Sep 25, 2012 18:08
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I filter when cagers are being morons (always) and blocking an intersection. Sometimes I'll act like a cyclist and work my way to the front. I've only jumped on the curb twice, though. E: VVVV I've had that happen a few times. I've had a BMW and a couple Honda Civic clown cars (the muffler tip makes it faster!) try and race me off the line. Luckily, the road I filter on has a bus lane, and there's almost always plenty of space after a red. its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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Sep 25, 2012 18:08
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My biggest issue is when a lead car decides they're going to out-accelerate you. Sure I'm way quicker, but this isn't a drag strip and if they go before the light turns green it can get dangerous.
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Sep 25, 2012 18:11
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americanzero4128 posted:This is my friend's argument as well. I don't get it. If I'm not sitting in traffic, that's room for you to move up in. It benefits everyone! You don't understand! I was in front of you, and now I'm not! You're winnjgn and I'm losing its not fairrrrrr!
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:You don't understand! I was in front of you, and now I'm not! You're winnjgn and I'm losing its not fairrrrrr! This is a mentality I just don't understand. The only way to "win" at traffic is to not be a part of it in the first place.
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People are jerks. Even before I rode or was even interested in motorcycles I would edge over to let bikes pass in traffic.
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KozmoNaut posted:The only way to "win" at traffic is to not be a part of it in the first place. This is a much more abstract concept than many people can handle. Not even trying to be funny, there's a lot of people out there who not only would never think of this on their own, but even led through the concept will not get it.
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The Royal Nonesuch posted:People are jerks. Even before I rode or was even interested in motorcycles I would edge over to let bikes pass in traffic. I notice that about one in eight cars will do this for me -- they see me waiting right inside the line with my front wheel pointed past the car in front (I tend to wait there whether or not I'm splitting, to take off quickly if someone's going to ram me etc), and they pull over to widen the gap a bit. That's always nice and I give them a wave as I go by. Six of the remaining eight are oblivious and do nothing, and the last guy edges over to try and block me from passing him. gently caress that guy. I definitely feel safest when I'm going just slightly above traffic speed, never getting stuck behind anyone or riding in blind spots for longer than a few seconds, and he's ruining it all. I think I need to get some lower or narrower mirrors though. Right now they're almost exactly at the height of the side mirror on a pickup, so though my hands and bars would pass underneath without touching anything, I'd hate to ding some bro's sweet ride and have him chase me down like that video from Kentucky or wherever it was.
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Splizwarf posted:This is a much more abstract concept than many people can handle. Not even trying to be funny, there's a lot of people out there who not only would never think of this on their own, but even led through the concept will not get it. Or you are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic.
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Sagebrush posted:I notice that about one in eight cars will do this for me -- they see me waiting right inside the line with my front wheel pointed past the car in front (I tend to wait there whether or not I'm splitting, to take off quickly if someone's going to ram me etc), and they pull over to widen the gap a bit. That's always nice and I give them a wave as I go by. The other day I was doing my usual in-town traffic avoidance by blasting down the back alleys and encountered a pickup parked right in the middle, I had to give my bars a little flick to dip the mirror on my left side so I could sneak through. Felt pretty boss, but a little awkward.
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Sagebrush posted:
Heh, my head was at the perfect height to headbutt a mirror on a truck once...
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I filter at lights sometimes, went on the sidewalk once or twice and sometimes will lane split if the traffic is just stopped. I really believe splitting is just safer than sitting in traffic because drivers get really distracted in traffic jams and I'm more worried about some jerkoff rear-ending me than anything else. I was riding with a group of about fifteen other riders and since I was the only one with a map / gps I was sort of the leader. We were sitting in some really horrendous traffic on I91 in PA going nowhere and my air-oil cooled BMW was starting to overheat. I thought, "gently caress this" and started splitting. Everyone else starts following. We must've pissed off the cagers something special because a few miles down the road a cop pulls us over. The cop was pretty cool, but he was yelling at me and my riding buddies all pointed at me as the culprit. I think he was far more pissed off that he got all the calls then the fact that we were splitting. Edit: Thank you for the info covert ops and twisto about the clutchless downshifting.
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Today I had a guy pull into the center lane and park it so I couldn't lane split. I had to do some emergency braking and zipped out of there as soon as I could. Humans are just caged, sex-deprived monkeys looking to lash out at any little thing that seems to be better than they are.
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Similarly, last weekend I was riding around uptown looking for a place to park my bike that wouldn't get it stolen or hosed with (drunk people wandering everywhere) and I had two groups of dudes hassle me. In one a guy made eye contact with me and made the "jerkoff" motion, and in the second some guy called out "Hey, your motorcycle doesn't make up for your tiny dick!" WTF. I ride a nice but relatively unassuming and quiet street triple r in some pretty low-key gear, it's not like I was on a harley with screaming eagle pipes, or a stretched 'busa with light effects or something. You'd think the young guys would be into bikes too, but these were college-aged dudes acting like grandmas pissed off at those hooligans on their too-loud death machines or something. Maybe they've been watching too much south park.
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:Similarly, last weekend I was riding around uptown looking for a place to park my bike that wouldn't get it stolen or hosed with (drunk people wandering everywhere) and I had two groups of dudes hassle me. In one a guy made eye contact with me and made the "jerkoff" motion, and in the second some guy called out "Hey, your motorcycle doesn't make up for your tiny dick!" They probably got dumped by girls that like "bad boys" . . . or they were Mormons. v0v
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Covert Ops Wizard posted:Similarly, last weekend I was riding around uptown looking for a place to park my bike that wouldn't get it stolen or hosed with (drunk people wandering everywhere) and I had two groups of dudes hassle me. In one a guy made eye contact with me and made the "jerkoff" motion, and in the second some guy called out "Hey, your motorcycle doesn't make up for your tiny dick!" Yep, they jelly.
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Xovaan posted:Today I had a guy pull into the center lane and park it so I couldn't lane split. I had to do some emergency braking and zipped out of there as soon as I could. Humans are just caged, sex-deprived monkeys looking to lash out at any little thing that seems to be better than they are. I dont understand this. I had a dude try to edge over and block me from splitting this morning, so I just went around him on the left. Do people not understand how this works?
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Homies apparently don't know about >noclip
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You're a dork. So am I. 
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I had a chick stop right after taking the right in a keep moving lane. I was already leaned over for the corner and just laid on my horn and increased my lean to pass her on the right since braking was out of the question. The crazy bitch pulled over to try and block me, I couldn't have stopped so as far as I was concerned she was trying to kill me. I had the dirt wheels with knobbies on the bike and the shoulder is gravel, I managed to get to the shoulder and around her. I didn't even feel sorry for ripping my throttle open and roosting the hell out of that Prius. Before people start bitching, she had absolutely no reason to stop in the middle of a keep moving lane. There was also an F350 with a trailer behind me, so an emergency stop might have nuked me. Whether it was the right call or not I made a fast decision and fully committed to it, because it was the only decision that seemed viable in that short amount of time. The roost was less intentional and more a result of not wanting to be anywhere near such a lovely driver.
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