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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Come to think of it, I think the biggest laugh the movie got was at the end. In a similar vein, myself and a bunch of other people in my theater laughed heartily when the first 2 Judges that responded to the distress call were just standing outside of the blast doors, saying they couldn't get in because of a Defcon test. Then the 4 crooked Judges come along and say "open up" over the intercom and the blast doors raise without any effort 
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The biggest laugh I remember (from the five of us at the screening): Kid: Freeze! Dredd: Why?
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Sep 24, 2012 19:55
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The movie looked very good for its budget. I wonder how much practical effects were used? Please tell me that most of this stuff wasn't CGI! Also if that was a normal day for them, I'd hate to know what I bad day would be. Also if it was a normal day than why did Dredd give Anderson a pass if she lost her primary weapon?
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Sep 24, 2012 20:14
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:In a similar vein, myself and a bunch of other people in my theater laughed heartily when the first 2 Judges that responded to the distress call were just standing outside of the blast doors, saying they couldn't get in because of a Defcon test. Then the 4 crooked Judges come along and say "open up" over the intercom and the blast doors raise without any effort Yourself and a bunch of other people evidently hadn't been paying attention to the movie, then. Ma-Ma had her tech guy lie about being unable to open the doors.
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Sep 24, 2012 20:25
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punk rebel ecks posted:Also if that was a normal day for them, I'd hate to know what I bad day would be. Also if it was a normal day than why did Dredd give Anderson a pass if she lost her primary weapon? The answer to this question is, I think, the same as the answer to "Why does Dredd let the kids off with a stunning?" and "Why does Dredd let the homeless guy off with a warning (at first)?" It's to show that while Dredd is THE LAW, THE LAW is still a human construct and thus flexible/fallible, even if it doesn't present - or even believe - itself as such. Clumsy was right, this is a movie that gets better and better the more I think about it.
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Jedit posted:Yourself and a bunch of other people evidently hadn't been paying attention to the movie, then. Ma-Ma had her tech guy lie about being unable to open the doors. No, I know. I was paying attention. It was just amusing when the doors opened and the main crooked Judge dude shot the 2 first responder guys this "the gently caress y'all been doin'?" look
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Sep 24, 2012 20:30
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:The answer to this question is, I think, the same as the answer to "Why does Dredd let the kids off with a stunning?" and "Why does Dredd let the homeless guy off with a warning (at first)?" It's to show that while Dredd is THE LAW, THE LAW is still a human construct and thus flexible/fallible, even if it doesn't present - or even believe - itself as such. But I read a spoiler that said (Caution HUGE spoilers for Dredd series!) Dredd was created in a lab to be the PERFECT Judge. How does that make sense?
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Sep 24, 2012 20:50
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Just watched The Raid, and it's quite bizarre how two independently developed stories ended up with so many similarities, even down to pacing and plot twists. Mind you, I suppose if you're starting from the basis of "I want to do a brutal cops-vs-army-of-criminals movie, but on a budget. What's the best way to do that?" then locking the cops in a single location is an obvious starting point, and things went down the same road from there. Have to admit, I preferred Dredd, and not entirely because I'm a Dredd fan. I thought the action in The Raid was more fluid and better done, but once the cops lost their guns and it became all about martial arts, it got repetitive after a while. By the end of the final fight, the heads of everyone involved should have looked like microwaved potatoes that you forgot to poke with a fork after being punched, kicked and smashed against concrete for about five solid minutes. Interesting to contrast two very similar movies in terms of 'east' and 'west' (and yes, I know The Raid was written and directed by a Brit). The Raid is all about physical prowess; the strongest are the ones who are best with their fists and feet, whereas in Dredd all power comes from the barrel of a gun. The cops in The Raid leave behind their weapons early on, while when Dredd runs out of regular ammo he resorts to whatever else he's got left, however inappropriate to the situation (giving rise to what to me was the funniest moment in the film), and his first priority afterwards is... finding more ammo. Sure, he'll crush a guy's throat if he has to, but shooting a perp just saves time.
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punk rebel ecks posted:But I read a spoiler that said (Caution HUGE spoilers for Dredd series!) Dredd was created in a lab to be the PERFECT Judge. How does that make sense? He's a clone of Chief Judge Fargo, the first Chief Judge. He's still human, just like Fargo was.
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Sep 24, 2012 20:58
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:The answer to this question is, I think, the same as the answer to "Why does Dredd let the kids off with a stunning?" and "Why does Dredd let the homeless guy off with a warning (at first)?" It's to show that while Dredd is THE LAW, THE LAW is still a human construct and thus flexible/fallible, even if it doesn't present - or even believe - itself as such. Dredd doesn't let the homeless guy off with a warning because the Law is fallible. He lets the guy off only because there are three murders to be dealt with first. Also, not arresting the guy on the spot is Anderson's call, not Dredd's. Dredd agrees with it, obviously, but if Anderson had recommended cuffing the guy to a rail and picking him up on the way out he would have done that too. The flexibility of the Law is only in what crimes are dealt with and how.
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Sep 24, 2012 21:00
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marktheando posted:He's a clone of Chief Judge Fargo, the first Chief Judge. He's still human, just like Fargo was. Are the Dreed comics any good? I'm thinking of reading them.
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Do they ever show what the cubes look like in the comics? I have always wondered that ever since I played the Dredd vs. Death game.
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Jedit posted:Dredd doesn't let the homeless guy off with a warning because the Law is fallible. He lets the guy off only because there are three murders to be dealt with first. Yes a lot of people seemed to miss that Dredd left most decisions about the case to Anderson, at least until poo poo really hits the fan. Which is cool, since he obviously needs to assess her ability to make decisions in the field as well as her ability to shoot people in the face. Like half the articles on this movie describe it as Dredd being given the assignment to wipe out slo-mo when actually Anderson chose the triple murder from the cases on her bike computer. punk rebel ecks posted:Are the Dreed comics any good? I'm thinking of reading them. Yes. Read the rest of this thread, there's a lot of recommendations.
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Payndz posted:Just watched The Raid, and it's quite bizarre how two independently developed stories ended up with so many similarities, even down to pacing and plot twists. Mind you, I suppose if you're starting from the basis of "I want to do a brutal cops-vs-army-of-criminals movie, but on a budget. What's the best way to do that?" then locking the cops in a single location is an obvious starting point, and things went down the same road from there. Yeah I watched The Raid two days ago. It was good but it annoyed the gently caress out of me how all the cops died like twenty minutes into the movie. It was literally a slaughter house for five minutes. It just felt like a cheap way to turn focus on the "main characters".
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Sep 24, 2012 21:23
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blackguy32 posted:Do they ever show what the cubes look like in the comics? I have always wondered that ever since I played the Dredd vs. Death game. They've been shown a few times, and the depiction changes - presumably not all Iso-Blocks are the same. But the description "iso-cube" is absolutely literal: they're single-occupancy cubic cells. Usually they have a transparent plasteen front wall (plasteen is basically a steel-tough plexiglass).
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punk rebel ecks posted:Also if that was a normal day for them, I'd hate to know what I bad day would be. Bad* days in Mega City One: Block Mania/The Apocalypse War - War! And then MORE WAR! The Day the Law Died - Chief Judge Cal(igula)'s reign (RIP Aaron A Aardvark) Necropolis - Dark Judges Day of Chaos - Most recent arc *Bad defined as at least 25% of Mega City One residents die horribly. (comics spoiler)
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This movie was awesome. I saw The Raid a couple weeks ago but overall, Dredd was the better movie. Urban can do a lot with a scowl. I think the biggest laugh for me was when Dredd blows up the shotgun judge's head and you hear the other guy say, "Motherfucker!" I thought Dredd was the one who said it because he was surprised at his own kill, and it seemed out of character. My friend told me it was the other guy and I realized my mistake
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There's a 2000 AD freebie on ClickWheel for anyone interested http://www.clickwheel.net/features/285
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Jedit posted:Dredd doesn't let the homeless guy off with a warning because the Law is fallible. He lets the guy off only because there are three murders to be dealt with first. Not sure if this still requires spoilers or not, but since everyone else is, my first thought about that guy was if they had arrested him for vagrancy in the first place, he would have lived. Anderson was lenient and the guy died for it.
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I don't know how this movie didn't make a killing over the weekend, as the theatre I saw it in last night in a small town in Alberta, Canada was packed with people on a Sunday night. I don't know whether that speaks to the strong word of mouth the movie's receiving or just the tastes of rural Alberta, but it was heartening to see regardless. Not much left to say that hasn't already been covered, but drat what a fun movie this is. While it could have been more out-right satirical, the violence is so laughably over-the-top that you're laughing because what you're seeing is so grotesque, not because it's awesome. But I was laughing. A lot. On the topic of the movie's progressive portrayal of its female protagonist, I liked that not only does she save herself, SHE saves HIM. When Anderson got kidnapped I was really disappointed that the movie was going to make her powerless and that Dredd was going to have to come rescue her. That they inverted the cliche entirely was really refreshing. The best action movie in quite a long while.
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Saw it in 3d on Saturday. This is hands down the best comic book movie I've ever seen and I liked how they spared no punches with the R rating. With all of the security camera shots and nonstop action I really felt like I was watching a comic book come to life. I really, really want to see more of Megacity-one though.  I hate watching science fiction films where they come up with this fantastic setting but don't make a sequel or explore it further. They did a fantastic job in portraying what I thought was a realistic dystopian city. I thought the decision to use present day cars in the future added more to the post-apocalyptic feel. I wonder what life must be like in a non-lovely part of the city or a towerblock like the one Anderson looked at when they were outside at the skatepark.Did anyone catch the world map in the classroom scene? All I could make out was Brasilia. I'd love to see what the rest of the map looks like and if it matches the comics.
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Tripwyre posted:On the topic of the movie's progressive portrayal of its female protagonist, I liked that not only does she save herself, SHE saves HIM. When Anderson got kidnapped I was really disappointed that the movie was going to make her powerless and that Dredd was going to have to come rescue her. That they inverted the cliche entirely was really refreshing. The best action movie in quite a long while. Yeah I thought it was pretty cool. I assumed from the beginning she was only there to become a damsel in distress but she stayed competent and just badass enough to not out badass Dredd. The actress played the part well too imo. Actually I really enjoyed the whole cast even though the characters were so simple and one dimensional (not saying that I don't like that they are pretty one dimensional. It worked for the movie)
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Which Dredd comic I should start out with? I know someone said "read the thread" earlier, but this thread is HUGE!
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Sep 25, 2012 03:32
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:The answer to this question is, I think, the same as the answer to "Why does Dredd let the kids off with a stunning?" and "Why does Dredd let the homeless guy off with a warning (at first)?" It's to show that while Dredd is THE LAW, THE LAW is still a human construct and thus flexible/fallible, even if it doesn't present - or even believe - itself as such. punk rebel ecks posted:But I read a spoiler that said (Caution HUGE spoilers for Dredd series!) Dredd was created in a lab to be the PERFECT Judge. How does that make sense?
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Ersatz posted:I haven't read the comics, but I'd like to think that the point is that it doesn't make sense. I've only read a couple of the comics and none of the extended storylines, but yeah, that's what I think too. The Judges and the people of Megacity One are conditioned to believe that THE LAW is an infallible part of nature, but of course it's not. Contradictions and hypocrisy are inevitable, and THE LAW is frankly not equipped to deal with all situations.
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Have people really not heard of officer's discretion before? Cops can let people off for things based on their own judgement even if it violates the law. The application of law isn't some ironclad thing that must be followed to the letter. Even in the fictional world this point carries over pretty well. It's probably even more of a factor in this fictional world since Dredd is law enforcement, judge, jury, and executioner rolled into one. It's not like the Judges have aspergers.
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Modus Operandi posted:The application of law isn't some ironclad thing that must be followed to the letter. Of course it isn't in the real world, but in Megacity One, everyone's told it is. Again though, I'm basing this on the two Judge Dredd movies and the 11 or 12 issues I've read of the comic. I could be wrong.
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Tripwyre posted:On the topic of the movie's progressive portrayal of its female protagonist, I liked that not only does she save herself, SHE saves HIM. When Anderson got kidnapped I was really disappointed that the movie was going to make her powerless and that Dredd was going to have to come rescue her. That they inverted the cliche entirely was really refreshing. The best action movie in quite a long while. punk rebel ecks posted:Which Dredd comic I should start out with? I know someone said "read the thread" earlier, but this thread is HUGE!
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Modus Operandi posted:The application of law isn't some ironclad thing that must be followed to the letter. Even in the fictional world this point carries over pretty well. It's probably even more of a factor in this fictional world since Dredd is law enforcement, judge, jury, and executioner rolled into one. It's not like the Judges have aspergers. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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Modus Operandi posted:If this is the case they probably have different degrees of punishment based on age or situation. Gunning down kids would be a reprehensible application of "law" and devoid of any common sense anyways. People complaining that the movie Dredd didn't just plug the kids have some serious issues. The movie would have just been stupid at that point onward. I agree with you about the second point, but I also think the whole point of Judge Dredd as a character is to point out that the way the Judge system applies the law is reprehensible. Edit: also, what the guy above me said. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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Ersatz posted:Part of what I enjoyed about the film is that it's jurisprudence is, I believe, even more nuanced than that. Take, for example, Anderson's explanation to Dredd of her decision to let Ma-Ma's assistant go. Her argument is persuasive, but Dredd's can be seen as equally valid. The assistant is both a victim and a felon, and neither Anderson nor Dredd are "correct," in the sense that the letter of the law demands that he be treated one way or the other. I viewed Anderson's decision as more of a tactical call and Dredd's a legal one Anderson viewed the assistant as a huge liability to keep him around. Dredd wanted to keep him to ensure proper judgement. I didn't really see Anderson as arguing so much for leniency based on some perceived victimhood by the perp. as she was making a tactical call which turned out to be correct. He was a huge liability that almost got her killed.
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Modus Operandi posted:I viewed Anderson's decision as more of a tactical call and Dredd's a legal one
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Ersatz posted:I was thinking of the man with the gouged-out eyes, who ran the building's equipment for Ma-Ma, rather than the man who Anderson psychically interrogates. Sorry for the confusion.
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Bioalchemist posted:Well poo poo Dredd didn't even make top 5 in the US, even the 2nd week of Resident Evil and re-release of Finding Nemo have beaten it A scifi/action movie that's faithful to its source material, light on bullshit cgi, has amazing gunfights, makes good use of 3d effects, and tells a clear, concise, and interesting story. Of Course it would flop! I'm confident it will print money on dvd sales though.
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It failed here in the States because it didn't have enough krumping competitions/giant CGI robots/sparkling vampires in it. I hate this country.
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Modus Operandi posted:I guess the interesting thing would be if Dredd would have chosen a less lenient course of action on his own if he knew all the things Anderson knew?
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Henker posted:One bit I liked was how Anderson killed 50% of the corrupt Judges. I was fully expecting Dredd to kill all of them before coming to her rescue. The moment where she opens fire on the corrupt lady judge almost immediately got a big cheer from my audience.
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Saw this on Saturday, and my God, was this a great action movie. Word of mouth, this movie needs to make money. I want Hollywood to know that R rated action movies can profit, and they do not have to soften those movies up for the kids.
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