English Defence League: the (white) pride of the UK

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Lamuella: Jun 26, 2003; It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.

Not sure if they qualify for this thread, but I had the pleasure of getting election material through the door from the English Democrats (basically, the BNP in UKIP's clothes) yesterday, from a horrible poo poo called Stephen Goldspink who is running for the position of Police Commissioner. It's now in pieces in the outside bin, and now I'm aware there will be an election I can specifically vote against him.

Oh, and they had a stall on Cambridge market yesterday. They were one place over from the creationist offering "Free bible study courses". Just as I was walking past, someone parked a truck in front of their stall. It was still there two hours later.

# ? Sep 16, 2012 18:51

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goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Lamuella posted:

Not sure if they qualify for this thread, but I had the pleasure of getting election material through the door from the English Democrats (basically, the BNP in UKIP's clothes) yesterday, from a horrible poo poo called Stephen Goldspink who is running for the position of Police Commissioner. It's now in pieces in the outside bin, and now I'm aware there will be an election I can specifically vote against him.

Oh, and they had a stall on Cambridge market yesterday. They were one place over from the creationist offering "Free bible study courses". Just as I was walking past, someone parked a truck in front of their stall. It was still there two hours later.

If you meet him again, stare at him for a full minute and then ask him if his surname is Jewish.

# ? Sep 16, 2012 20:54

StoicFnord: Jul 27, 2012; "If you want to make enemies....try to change something."; College Slice

goddamnedtwisto posted:

If you meet him again, stare at him for a full minute and then ask him if his surname is Jewish.

Cambridge.

I will volunteer to video this encounter for you. I will go there, take time out of my life, to see this occurring and record it for goon-kind, if you choose to do this.

# ? Sep 17, 2012 01:49

Ichabod Sexbeast: Dec 5, 2011; Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

Lamuella, you need to do this. Think of the rage you'd cause! You might even give him a coronary!

In other news, anyone making the trek to Walsall next weekend?

# ? Sep 17, 2012 18:13

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Posting to share things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a6ncax9wC4

:allears:

And something else to make you giggle:

EDL and Militant Islam to play football match for rights to former Scout hut

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The English Defence League�s Stephen Lennon and Militant Islam�s Abu Qatada have agreed to a football match to decide ownership of a disused Scout hut in Thurnby Lodge, Leicester.

The two teams, EDL Pathletic and Militant Islam Affronted, will field their most rabid, walnut-brained, myopic thugs in a bid to secure the small hut, which comes complete with a wooden board covered in different types of knots, an old Bob-a-Job ledger, the smell of 1970s cabbage, and some massive aluminium tea-pots.

Talks were delayed when the EDL leader refused to enter the hut until all the woggles had been removed, until someone explained that they were merely a left over box of neckerchief fastenings .

Jocular chanting from the crowd is expected to be one of the highlights of the game. EDL�s �I�m not a racist. How can I be a racist in my own country?� will compete with MI Affronted�s �Your sister shows her ankles� while both sides are expected to make use of the crushing �The referee�s a moderate�.

EDL Pathletic are expected to start with a 0-0-10 formation, with everyone in defence and nothing to contribute in the middle or forward ground. MI Affronted plan to have 10 players in the dugout and one running towards the goal-line screaming �Show me the virgins� while wearing a suspiciously lumpy shirt. Which should obviate the need for penalties.

# ? Sep 19, 2012 18:01

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Let's kick off a new update with an EDL-er responce to the article above:

Glorious.

Well... Against all my expectations,ev Carroll has actualy loving done it. He has actually, successfully, applied to stand for police commissioner

I love the intro paff for the three candidates:

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"Bedfordshire businessman and former Met Police officer Jas Parmar has been selected to stand as the candidate for the Conservative Party"

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"Former service co-ordinator with Victim Support and member of the territorial army Olly Martins has been chosen as the Labour candidate for the post."

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"Kevin Carroll, from Luton, is standing as a british freedom party candidate"

He's even got his advertising campaign up and running....

Spotless.

EDL News continues to report on the slow but satisfying implosion of the EDL Here

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The English Defence League appear to have lost their Bolton Division as members have got bored of the cause, distrust Tommy and have found better things to do than get drunk in a car park on a Saturday afternoon according to screenshots we have seen from Facebook.

The Divison, which two years ago was one of the biggest and most active, now seems to now be run by a kabul of EDL Angels who update the Facebook page to make it look as though they are still around.

This pretty much leaves the EDL in the North West dead and buried after many of Blackburn Division were jailed for violent disorder, Wigan Division chucked in the towel after the humiliation of the Walthamstow demo and most of Carlisle Division were jailed for a violent attack on a Turkish restaurant.

And the CxF find new ways to make you laugh... Just days after posting this:

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Please Read... Important

Last night CXF head quarters got raided by two tactical aid units looking for offensive materials. Several laptops were removed and 4 mobile phone along with several other hard drives. We feel Merseyside police are a absolute disgrace and have only done this because of our planned demo next Saturday at 1300 in Oldham.

We know this was just a raid to gather intelligence and try and disrupt our movement which will never happen. Do you think we would be so stupid to not have are intel at HQ you puppets for our traitorous government

All you are forcing us to do is to go underground if you keep these scare tactics up. Which we all know this is what you are trying to do. We will not bow down to political correctness and we will get are voices heard. You will never silence us and were growing daily (hence the scare tactics)

Thought we was best to inform the members of the current situation within cxf..As We don't have situations within cxf, just solutions we are now back and raring to go.

Obviously the government are running scared. We say Fcuk the traitorous cnuts. CXF and the groups and people were involved with WILL GET HEARD.

HOPE THAT CLEARS UP ANY RUMORS YOU ALL MIGHT OF HEARD.

WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE , AND WE WILL FIGHT AGAINST ANY THING ANTI BRITISH INCLUDED THE GOVERNMENT

THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND EVERYONE'S CONTINUAL SUPPORT.. ROLL ON NEXT SATURDAY

COMBINED EXFORCES

They updated their facebook page with this:

And I bet they're honestly baffled as to why they keep getting raided.

Islam continues to ~~not~~ be a race:

And the revolution is getting started:

Still... Given the EDL's reaction in the face of adversary, I don't think any of us loonie-lefties need pile our wicker baskets infront of our doors just yet...

... Yeah. I know - this is a pretty low-effort post, but what can I say, the EDL are pretty low effort recently. Still, this weekend sees their return to Walthamstow. Tune your twitters to channel #EDL, kick back and enjoy. Should be a good one!

[[ETA]]

Forgot to add this:

EDL member Stephen Garvey was arrested in connection with the murder of two police women in Manchester. (He was later released without charge) At the time British Freedom's Michael Wood stated that you can't judge a whole organisation over the actions of a few individuals:

This is what you might call peak hypocrisy.

KayTee fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 24, 2012

# ? Sep 24, 2012 21:37

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

I know that fascism and intimidation are no laughing matter when their targets are the already-poor and marginalized, but the british slang terms are all so cutesy to me that I giggle whenever I read them.

I SAY I'VE NICKED YOUR POST Ol' CHUM, WHAT SAY WE GO POFF A DONKER AND STICK A MUZZIE UP THE WICKET ROIGHT.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 04:01

Mr Cuddles: Jan 29, 2010; Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

I know that fascism and intimidation are no laughing matter when their targets are the already-poor and marginalized, but the british slang terms are all so cutesy to me that I giggle whenever I read them.

I SAY I'VE NICKED YOUR POST Ol' CHUM, WHAT SAY WE GO POFF A DONKER AND STICK A MUZZIE UP THE WICKET ROIGHT.

We even have a cutesy version of the n-bomb. "nig-nog"

Perfect for children's stories.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 08:19

Pound_Coin: Feb 5, 2004; �

Mr Cuddles posted:

We even have a cutesy version of the n-bomb. "nig-nog"

Perfect for children's stories.

My Granddad's fond of "jungle bunnies"

# ? Sep 25, 2012 08:22

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA

This entire thread has been drat interesting and funny. I wish something similar would materialize about Swedish racist parties and such.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 09:02

hexa: Dec 10, 2004; And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom

KayTee posted:

... Yeah. I know - this is a pretty low-effort post, but what can I say, the EDL are pretty low effort recently. Still, this weekend sees their return to Walthamstow. Tune your twitters to channel #EDL, kick back and enjoy. Should be a good one!

I thought it was October 27th they're back in Walthamstow? That's what a quick googling suggests.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 12:28

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

glitchkrieg posted:

I thought it was October 27th they're back in Walthamstow? That's what a quick googling suggests.

So it is... Never mind me, then. I suck/cannot read calendars.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 12:41

Galaspar: Aug 20, 2006; Will reign this way again

I think it's Walsall they're off to this weekend, but as they continue to self destruct it's hard to guess which protests will actually happen. Almost wish they'd come back to Peterborough, the counter-protest last time was great fun.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 16:19

Filboid Studge: Oct 1, 2010; And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Every so often I wonder why these guys are allowed to have Facebook groups, etc. Then I realise it's because the daft sods can't stop confessing to crimes and posting pictures of themselves doing dodgy poo poo. Completely obviates the need for expensive undercover operations, which are bound to have a chill factor since Keeley Hawes got her head deep-fried in Spooks.

# ? Sep 25, 2012 20:38

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Affi posted:

This entire thread has been drat interesting and funny. I wish something similar would materialize about Swedish racist parties and such.

It can if you want it enough, I guess? There's bound to be some swedish antifa around, otherwise I know one.

# ? Sep 26, 2012 11:01

Lamuella: Jun 26, 2003; It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.

Filboid Studge posted:

Every so often I wonder why these guys are allowed to have Facebook groups, etc. Then I realise it's because the daft sods can't stop confessing to crimes and posting pictures of themselves doing dodgy poo poo. Completely obviates the need for expensive undercover operations, which are bound to have a chill factor since Keeley Hawes got her head deep-fried in Spooks.

Actually, that was Lisa Faulkner.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

# ? Sep 26, 2012 12:11

spincube: Jan 31, 2006; I spent so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.; Grimey Drawer

Pound_Coin posted:

My Granddad's fond of "jungle bunnies"

Golliwog.

What? It's a toy :smug:

# ? Sep 26, 2012 13:18

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Now that Uncle Kev is officially a candidate (the �5k deposit can be refunded if the candidate does not attain 5% of the vote - and the BFP reserve the right to use the donated money however the gently caress they want beyond that) the BFP's razor-sharp advertising machine is now in full swing.

So, things were going swell. But then the foul labour candidate Olly Martins did something unspeakably evil. He addressed his opponents! And attempted to smear him with things he has done!

Well, this cannot go unanswered!

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It didn�t take long for Olly Martins, the Labour Party candidate in the Bedfordshire Police Commissioner contest to resort to dirty, underhand and misleading tactics against his main opponent

Durty, underhanded and misleading tactics!

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He draws attention to Mr Carroll�s conditional discharge but does not admit to the context of this

Yeah, he was arrested. But do you know why he was arrested?

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� Mr Carroll was opposing the abusive reception received by the Royal Anglian Regiment on its homecoming parade in Luton. It would be interesting to find out whether Mr Martins sympathised with those carrying out the abuse.

YEAH! He is pointing out that Carroll was arrested for being an even more offensive prat than the offensive prats he was all riled up at! And I bet Olly Martin is good friends with those people too. Yeah...

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He also makes reference to Mr Carroll�s relatives and seems to be suggesting that Mr Carroll is personally responsible for their activities.

I mean... Ho underhanded can you get? Plointing out that Kev's cousin in Tommy Robinson - leader of the EDL. It's not Kev's fault! All he's done is stand by Tommeh and attend... every EDL demo Tommy has been at... for three years...

CAN'T HOLD HIM RESPONSABLE FOR WHAT TOMMEH DOES!

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He criticises Kevin Carroll�s work in organising political demonstrations on matters of significant public interest.

The EDL has never held a political demonstration. He has organised a pub crawl that required a police escort.

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He seems to be suggesting that only some members of our society should have the right to free speech � presumably only those who agree with Mr Martins and his party.

Because saying

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The EDL have been involved in numerous violent demonstrations up and down the country and these protests in Luton and elsewhere have cost the taxpayer � millions to police.

Is exactly the same as saying

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only some members of our society should have the right to free speech

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Mr Carroll has made a principled stand in his opposition to enforced sharia compliance in the United Kingdom.

It's actually pretty easy to do this.

I've made a principled stand against against the enforced addition of hydrochloric acid to my water supply.

It's pretty easy to take a stand against something that only nutters want to have happen, and that only other nutters beleive is happening.

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He draws attention to the costs of the demonstrations that Mr Carroll has participated in, but does not acknowledge that the costs are actually the result of counter-demonstrations in which Mr Martins openly admits to taking part.

Counter demonstrations that wouldn't have happened if... ?

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Remember it is freedom of speech that guarantees freedom of religion and not the other way around

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the activities of Mr Martins therefore seem to suggest an opposition to both freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

The eveidence it there for me to interpret! Why can't you see it?

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We would like to call on Mr Martins to bring an end to his negative campaigning strategy

STOP BEING MEAN TO USSSSSSS! :qq:

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British Freedom is committed to mounting a positive campaign in Bedfordshire and will not be goaded into participating in the negative campaign that Mr Martins is apparently trying to provoke.

We will not be goaded into writing posts on the internet about how horrid people are! We're above that!

The BFP are loving helarious!

KayTee fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Sep 26, 2012

# ? Sep 26, 2012 13:34

hexa: Dec 10, 2004; And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom

Simon Bennett, you say? I may have to dig up some drama from the past, he's been a "popular figure" on the British *chans for his completely inept attempts at drumming up BNP/etc. support

# ? Sep 26, 2012 13:55

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

glitchkrieg posted:

Simon Bennett, you say? I may have to dig up some drama from the past, he's been a "popular figure" on the British *chans for his completely inept attempts at drumming up BNP/etc. support

He's BFP/Kevincarroll.org's Webmaster, and I'm pretty sure he runs the EDL's webpage too.

Because when you want reliable service, you want the guy who hosed over the BNP's website on the eve of their election.

Please do dig it up!

# ? Sep 26, 2012 14:15

Weldon Pemberton: May 19, 2012

spincube posted:

Golliwog.

What? It's a toy

My mum had a cheap figurine of a golliwog on her mantelpiece until recently. After arguing with her about it a few times, one day I just tossed it in the bin when I was drunk and my care factor about her right to her possessions was overridden by disgust. She saw it and fished it out again, but then shortly after threw it away herself because she realized how annoyed I was by it. It's unfortunate that she got rid of it because of my feelings rather than it being objectively racist and terrible, but at least she doesn't have literal white supremacist propaganda in her home anymore :unsmith:

Also if you ever go on a road trip in north Wales, by god, those things are EVERYWHERE. I made like 5 stops in small towns, Horseshoe Pass, and Llandudno and the last was the only place that didn't have them cluttering up the gift shops. Antique shops are even worse- near where I live in Cheshire there's one that was selling coin banks in the shape of a "coon" stereotype, whose eyes rolled back in his head when you fed him a coin. loving twee country racism is the worst.

/Sorry for the derail, I just have little to add about the shenanigans of the fash! Keep up your great posts KayTee, they're really informative.

# ? Sep 27, 2012 11:05

ElementaryScotty: Jan 8, 2010

Just saw the supposed Scottish Defence League arrive in Edinburgh via minibus. The nazi flag I was expecting but not the hawaiian shirt

# ? Sep 29, 2012 12:29

TheIllestVillain: Dec 27, 2011; Sal, Wyoming's not a country

ElementaryScotty posted:

Just saw the supposed Scottish Defence League arrive in Edinburgh via minibus. The nazi flag I was expecting but not the hawaiian shirt

Scottish Defense League? I thought there were like 9 immigrants in all of Scotland.

# ? Sep 29, 2012 12:54

ElementaryScotty: Jan 8, 2010

TheIllestVillain posted:

Scottish Defense League? I thought there were like 9 immigrants in all of Scotland.

Based on the group I saw, it seems that's the name the EDL give themselves when they drive up here to start poo poo.

not that we're blameless on the racist fuckhead front, mind.

# ? Sep 29, 2012 13:04

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Holy poo poo! Walsall!

I wrote the majority of this post this morning before SA went down and was going to sign off with this:

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As for the demo in Walsall?

Epic.

And then, well, this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLoTXU_ZvB0

28 arrests (most after the demo) and a whole sheadload of pics of skinheads spurting claret.

I'll do a post about the demo tomorrow - there were some crackers (lol) in there.

A lot of things can happen in a week it seems. Beyond Kev Carroll's superlative internet campaign for his position as Police Commissioner.

It's hard to pin down my favorite part of this pic - the "I've been handcuffed" pose or the school tie.

Of course, as well as standing infront of things, you've got to keep up your online charm offensive:

Stunning.

Someone was also kind enough to put this video together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUIfcZbeRwg

Speaking of PR stunts. Wouldn't it be great if the law abiding, patriotic heroes of the land created a spoof video of them abducting a filthy, unbrittish, Sharia-comlpliant halal muzzie off the street, duct taping him up in a car boot and carting him off home to be tortured? Gee... That's be just swell, wouldn't it? They could pot it up on Youtube and...

I am not making this up... I couldn't make this up.

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Lancashire Police issued the following statement " Two people have been arrested after a video was posted on a social networking site showing a video of a man tied and gagged in the boot of a car and being threatened with a machete.

A 39 year old man and a 19 year old man, both from Wigan, were arrested at their home addresses by Lancashire police in the early hours of this morning and are currently being questioned on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred."

The video was removed shortly after it was initially posted and a number of Infidel Facebook pages disappeared following the arrests of the two men.

This article appeared which is wonderful.

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They're not racist, they just dislike 'dirty Pakis'

The group reiterate that it is not racist and it is about a clash of cultures. These claims ring hollow when one man refers to "dirty Pakis" alongside regular references to "dirty Muslims", although the EDL claims to have several non-white supporters in its ranks and welcomes anyone who adopts "an English way of life".

The philosophy is unclear as while it decries proponents of sharia law such as Amjud Choudhury, it also opposes mainstream customs such as halal meat and wants a ban on British mosques.

[...]

As the meeting winds up, Thanet leader Pat celebrates a win for his beloved Everton FC. I wonder how he must idolise the club's star player Marouane Fellaini � a devout Muslim.

To a mixed reaction, The Muslim Debate Initiative has been called off.

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MDI regretfully announces that the venue for our public debate with Tommy Robinson on �Islam and Islamophobia: which is a threat to Britain?� � the Conway Hall � has cancelled our booking for 4th October 2012.
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Conway Hall, has decided based upon advice from the Police, and under pressure from various anti-fascist organisations and at least one MP, that the event may put the public at risk to public health and safety concerns under the current climate. Despite the security procedures of MDI within the building, the Venue Director was concerned about the safety of attendees outside the hall when going to, and leaving the event. Therefore, Conway Hall has informed Muslim Debate Initiative that for the time being, they will have to cancel the hire of the hall to MDI for this public event.

The SDL are in Edinburgh today - and are being bolstered by the NWI, the Casuals and the CxF.

To explain themselves, an article appeared on the BFP site entitled The Far Left Controls Britain

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It seems amazing that anyone can believe that Islam is a religion of tolerance, let alone peace. Or that the education standard in our country has improved. Or that today criminals actually fear legal punishment. Or that the liberal policies which assault and dissolve the institution of marriage are improving anyone�s lives. Yet the Far Left that are currently in power will have you believe this and more.

Islamophobia, Daily Mail Pearl Clutching and homophobia all in one neat little paragraph. Lovely, and he's only just getting started.

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The three main political parties are all, at best, different shades of Left. There is no longer any appreciable division between the three main parties: the division is instead between the politicians and the common man.

I genuinely had to do a double take here. Replace the word Left with Right and I actually wholeheartedly agree with this statement... I honestly don't know what to think of that.

I encourage you to give it a read - it's a good laugh, and it even gives us some references - anyone know anything about these authors/books?

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The Cameron Delusion, by Peter Hitchens.
The Retreat of Reason, by Anthony Browne.
The Plan: Twelve Months to Renew Britain, by Douglas Carswell and Daniel Hannan.
The Alternative Manifesto: A 12-Step Programme to Remake Britain, by Eamonn Butler.
United In Hate: The Left�s Romance with Tyranny and Terror, by Jamie Glazov.
Life At The Bottom, by Theodore Dalrymple.
The Welfare State We�re In, by James Bartholomew.
Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom, by Bruce Bawer.

Of note, however, is the last sentence:

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Real men like Paul Weston and Kevin Carroll should rightly be regarded as heroes. So should the other patriots who support British Freedom.

No mention of Tommeh? I wonder why... :devil:

Nick Griffin's twitter is always fun - today this happened:

It's a lie, of course, but you've gotta admire the fact that he knows his audience. As was mentioned previously in the thread (by Duck Monster, I believe) the bulk of any given far-right movement are utterly incapable of critical thinking (or regular thinking, to be honest) and will swallow anything said to them by anyone without question.

The fact that the EDL are Gin' on march in Warsaw today...

... is clearly not a coincidence. Although it did force Paul Weston into posting a rebuttal:

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Some of our opponents have been spreading a rumour about my supposed �resignation� from the party.

It is nonsense.

With the Bedfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner election coming up in November, party membership growing, media attention increasing, and a slew of new candidates volunteering for roles within the party or as local election candidates for 2013, British Freedom has never been in a stronger position than it is now.

Personally, I expect to be very busy indeed in the next couple of months as I give my full backing to Kevin�s PCC campaign, prepare for a new round of regional party meetings after the election, and continue developing the party�s profile nationally.

Right now it is very much �onward and upward� for British Freedom, and I hope you will join with me in working hard to transform our party into the number one alternative to the anti-patriotic mainstream parties that continue to inflict so much damage on our great country.

The first comment on the article is by a devout BFP follower, who also lets on that he received a letter recently threatening him with eviction due to his anti-Islamic activities. :allears:

You may remember him from a few pags back:

Looks like he got his wish!

Well, that's it for now - I'll have a walsall summary up sometime tomorrow!

# ? Sep 29, 2012 21:15

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

KayTee posted:

And then, well, this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLoTXU_ZvB0

28 arrests (most after the demo) and a whole sheadload of pics of skinheads spurting claret.

Seeing racists and cops fighting is always nice, because you can cheer every time anyone gets hit :allears:

# ? Sep 29, 2012 21:46

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Walsall.

gently caress it - I'll let them tell you what happened:

Here's a summary provided from our on-the-ground reported Hugh Manatee of Exposing Racism and Intolerance Online

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Ok, here's a brief rundown of how I saw events unfold today, starting from when I arrived at the EDL demo:

1. Tommy (I think - sounded like him) did a speech about how everyone but him was a oval office, and only he and the EDL were badass motherfuckers and infiltrators gonna infiltrate. Apparently he's not a fan of Nick Griffin. Also had a pop at Muslims a bit, but didn't specify if he only meant the extremists or all of them.

2. A woman shouted a bit about muslim paedophiles. I don't think she was keen on them. Meanwhile, a handful of EDL were a mite upset that I and some other folk had wandered into their demo, had lulz and left and were stood in a big crowd at the end of the street chatting poo poo on Twitter about how shite this whole thing was and having more lulz. They were not happy, and filmed everyone there. If you're wondering chaps, I was the woman in the blue jumper and the hat. Next to the chinese guy. No, the other one. That's it.

3. The not happy lads wandered back to the EDL crowd, then about a minute later a bunch of folk started walking towards the crowd at the end of the street (us) and posturing faux menacingly (there were police everywhere, we were amused). Apparently they wanted to rid the streets of muslim bombers, and as none of us could see any muslim bombers on the streets I guess they can take that as a win.

4. As more and more EDL were heading towards us and the speeches were still going, it all seemed a bit weird - surely they'd come all that way to protest, not shout "Come on then" at a bunch of people who for all they knew supported them? (I know at least a few did, 'cos they said so). There were many more of them than us - we were about 40-50 random people of all ages and ethnicities. We were like a BBC focus group or summat. There were kids, old folk, guys in suits and council workers in hi-vis, orange ladies with Elizabeth Duke earrings and posh old girls in designer glasses and unfashionable but smart twinsets, all mingling with coppers and having a chat, basically. We weren't a counter demo or anything, we were just people who'd stumbled on the one place you could actually access the EDL demo, and had stopped to watch. For a few minutes, it was really nice. loving odd, but nice.

5. An asian guy (early 20s) jumped up on a wall and shouted that the EDL were a load of cunts. This did not go down well at all, and the EDL surged forward to remonstrate with him, thus proving him right. As the police were in the way, they decided to remonstrate with the police instead. They seemed to enjoy this immensely. Fireworks were let off, presumably to ward off dragons and poo poo.

6. Loads of EDL fighting the police, bottles, bricks, coinds etc thrown at them and the crowd behind them. Riot police turn up and form a line. Police with dogs appear. More riot police. Meanwhile the guy who shouted that they were cunts is wandering about unmolested, as are several EDL who had managed to get out before the police formed their line, who were also just milling about or filming it. loving mental, gawd knows why we all stayed gawping at it but there were actually a lot more of us now, all rubbernecking. Crazy.

7. Tommy (I think - sounded like him) could be clearly heard shouting that medical assistance was required at the back, but as the only access was blocked by his supporters who wouldn't stop kicking off, there was little the police could do from where I was standing. Maybe throw some bandages over the shield of steel they were using to keep everyone else in Walsall safe from the EDL?

8. Having seen enough and being encouraged to bugger off by the police, I thought gently caress it and left. On the way back to my car I passed fuckloads more coppers just waiting around or blocking roads looking bored but getting paid.

So - in short the EDL occupied a small back alley. Got pissed. Tommeh and Kev did speeched (Tommeh was there, which was a surprise) The speeched got too boring so the EDL decided it would be a good idea to see how far they could goad the police.

Turned out it wasn't that far.

I hope Michael Lee enjoyed his house raid this morning!

Did you know that there is a Nationalist News Network?

Here's their take:

quote:

The Anti-British Racist West Midlands Polices� frustration at not being able to handle the 400 or so muslims in Walsall has led them to beating the English Defence Leagues patriots with batons and attacking women with dogs.

When will people wake up and realize that we are not only living in a Police State who prefer to support and protect Muslim and foreign paedophiles, terrorists, and traitors, but are also Anti-British and racist against the indigenous people of these islands.

Is it because their ranks are full of them ?

The article then links to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLoTXU_ZvB0

Now - correct me if I'm wrong - but if the Police tell you, multiple times, to back off or force will be used... You kinda wave your right to moan when force gets used.

To quote, once again, out on-the-spot reporter Hugh:

quote:

If I may, I'd like to address the points here:

1. There WAS a reason for the batons, and that was the EDL attempting to attack the public and then attacking the police instead when they got in the way. They were repeatedly warned to "get back or force will be used" but ignored it.

2. Paramedics WOULD have been let in, but they couldn't get near because your lot kept fighting. If they'd simply stopped fighting (which was the reason paramedics were needed in the first place) medical attention could have been provided.

3. Yep, I saw bins thrown at the police by the EDL who as I've pointed out were fighting the police, creating the injuries that needed the attention that couldn't be provided because THEY WERE THROWING loving BINS AT THE POLICE YOU STUPID, STUPID BASTARDS.

A couple of comments on various videos on Facebook have been claiming that not enough footage prior to the baton rush has been posted, putting the blame on the EDL and not on a supposed gang of 400 muslims who were provoking them.

So... In response

Online, however, the story of the dastardly 400 Muslims, charging the Hot Gates of Yates', continues in the inagination of Stormcloud.

quote:

Police are unable to control a 400 strong Muslim mob in #Walsall so they turn on #edl

Posted on September 29, 2012

Reports from the ground say the police have started baton charging EDL as they are terrified they cannot keep the two sides apart. They wont be baton charging the Jihadists. Stay safe people

NFSE

In short:

In the mean time, as was noted, the SDL and the CxF were in Edinburgh.

Here's a short video of them being all patriotic - waving the Union Jack and barefaced quoting the 14 words.

I figure there's about two dozen of them... at most...

BUT! In the spirit of fair and balanced reporting, I will have to admit that there were outbreaks of disgraceful anti-social behavior on the Counter Protest in Walsall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMGu37ZjsBc

Shocking.

# ? Sep 30, 2012 14:21

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

And an update... Not ten minutes ago I was made aware of this portion of Kev Carroll's speech.

Link

To save you the hassle - right at the end (3.04) Kev claims that "The Left" are antagonizing the EDL, "making monkey chants" and the Police are not arresting them.

This, quite simply, was untrue - the only people there were a bunch of curious onlookers (apparently some of whom were EDL supporters) Hugh was one of them.

This appears to explain why the more fight-happy of the EDL-ers suddenly broke off in the middle of Kev's speech to create the whole ruckus. It appears to be all on Kev's shoulders, and has a few of us wondering how Incitement laws work...

# ? Sep 30, 2012 14:47

Shelf Adventure: Jul 18, 2006; I'm down with that brother

To be fair, when they moan about criminals not being afraid of the police they're probably talking about themselves.

# ? Sep 30, 2012 15:41

Tias: May 25, 2008; Pictured: the patron saint of internet political arguments (probably)

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KayTee posted:

pics of skinheads spurting claret.

That is dumb, don't do it when calling them fascists are more accurate. The majority of skinheads are not racists.

# ? Sep 30, 2012 20:34

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Tias posted:

That is dumb, don't do it when calling them fascists are more accurate. The majority of skinheads are not racists.

Fair point. I was, of course, refering to the hairstyle, not the movement.

Speaking of which:

And a classic EDL rant for good measure:

Alan Furniss posted:

i swear me and tonnes of others have got mug written across our foreheads...now im gonna try break this down to simple poo poo...after yesterday it became easy for me to realise if the scummy government wanted to they could have shut all pubs down in walsall for the edl patriots not to drink what so ever like other demo's iv been on but no they chose an area with two boozers open to us that they could easily close in and control as a static one way in one way out..funny how it was allowed that the lefties and mdl scum were allowed to taunt and fuel the aggression of edl patriots with no intervention from police which in turn caused the prediction of reaction...this the police knew would happen hence why they were already lined up in battle gear they reacted disgracefully by beating the poo poo out of stewards and patriots with an aggression iv never seen before thisi feel was to excite the muzzy scum and side with the leftys and media in a statement of intolerence towards what was nothing more than our democratic right to freedom of speech which they would like to call racism...the police persued these tatics to show the muslims and leftys that they are on thier side..now my fuckin disgust and question i want answered is before i go on any more fuckin demo's IS....i watched many of my friends and fellow patriots get thier skulls cracked open and skin split beyond repair where in some cases nothing short of 20 stitchs needed...ok there was some missiles thrown in retaliation to the treatment recieved but this was against a firm with riot clothing helmets shields and weapons..in my books why are the edl so hell bent on the sales of merchandise etc etc instead of getting a law firm to rape the poo poo out of the government and police for attempted murder because in my world if you beat someone round the head as many times as i watched yesterday with a weapon as lethal as a batton THATS ATTEMPTED MURDER not crowd control...the filth are trained to hit arms legs and shoulders not heads eyes mouths and phones....why aint all this poo poo on mainstream...

# ? Sep 30, 2012 20:55

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

drat that evil government, leaving pubs open so we had no other choice but to go get shitfaced :argh:

It's entrapment plain and simple!

# ? Sep 30, 2012 21:16

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

KayTee posted:

A lot of things can happen in a week it seems. Beyond Kev Carroll's superlative internet campaign for his position as Police Commissioner.

It's hard to pin down my favorite part of this pic - the "I've been handcuffed" pose or the school tie.

Excellent post, and this bit shows there's some more problems incoming for them - the New Scotland Yard sign is copyrighted to the Met and cannot be used in any form of advertising.

ekuNNN posted:

drat that evil government, leaving pubs open so we had no other choice but to go get shitfaced It's entrapment plain and simple!

This was a really common refrain among the football hooligan crowd from whom the EDL draw most of their membership, especially from continental trips - "If they're gonna serve us beer from 10 in the morning and kickoff's at 8 what are they expecting?".

# ? Sep 30, 2012 22:36

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Everyone loves a bit of a fash-on-fash barney.

# ? Oct 1, 2012 01:17

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KayTee posted:

Fair point. I was, of course, refering to the hairstyle, not the movement.

No harm done. I'm not much for "neo-nazi skinheads" either - It's just that the term ought to refer to the subculture as a whole, not people who shave their heads (Gandhi was not much of a skinhead, for instance), and fash "skins" usually subscribe to no part of the style save some trappings of hair and wear, which really gets the rest of us pissed.

It's a colossal derail, sorry, just thought I'd explain the rather pedantic comment :shobon:

# ? Oct 1, 2012 09:36

Shelf Adventure: Jul 18, 2006; I'm down with that brother

Edit : phone managed to double post hours apart.

Shelf Adventure fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Oct 1, 2012

# ? Oct 1, 2012 10:14

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Excellent post, and this bit shows there's some more problems incoming for them - the New Scotland Yard sign is copyrighted to the Met and cannot be used in any form of advertising.

That pic is plastered all over KevinCarroll.org.

If one were to make a complaint about it on these grounds, how would one go about it?

[edit]

from Met's website

quote:

Copyright

All material on this site is subject to copyright. Unless it is specifically stated that particular material is available for general use then it should not be copied or re-used without the explicit permission of the Metropolitan Police Service or of other copyright holders where material is used under licence.

The only exceptions are those allowed under copyright law, where material can be used without permission or payment for:

Research or private study
Legitimate criticism and review
Education (so long as it does not involve multiple copies)
In legal proceedings. This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context.
The Metropolitan Police logo is registered at The Patent Office as a trademark.

Enquiries relating to use of Metropolitan Police copyright material should be addressed to:

DPA5 Publicity Branch, 13th Floor, New Scotland Yard, Broadway, London, SW1H 0BG

This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context.

IANAL

This is the front page of KevinCarroll.org

Is it worth sticking my oar in?

[edit edit]

gently caress it - I've just sent a feedback/enquiry form - can't hurt, can it?

[edit edit edit]

I'm waiting on some troll's remorse type feelings...

Hmmm... Nothing... :/

KayTee fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Oct 1, 2012

# ? Oct 1, 2012 18:21

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

it's a weird choice for a promo pic anyway. bedfordshire is some distance north of london.

# ? Oct 1, 2012 20:22

Sargs: Aug 15, 2001; Poyekhali!

KayTee posted:

That pic is plastered all over KevinCarroll.org.

If one were to make a complaint about it on these grounds, how would one go about it?/

While you're at it, his circular logo thingie is probably infringing both the Obama logo and British Airway's old tail fin art at the same time.

# ? Oct 1, 2012 20:49

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 16:15

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Sargs posted:

While you're at it, his circular logo thingie is probably infringing both the Obama logo and British Airway's old tail fin art at the same time.

That's the BFP logo.

I see this, myself:

I'm pretty sure other people have worked on that front. But untill some actual campaigning starts happening, I don't think anyone is bothered.

It has worked in the past though

# ? Oct 1, 2012 21:31

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