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Renditious posted:Don't all of the ending paths give you the quests one at a time? If anything I found the NCR's questline the most annoying. Pretty sure the answer is No. I am pretty sure that both Yes Man and NCR at least give you them in masse, and let you decide. This was the first time I got a single direction to do something. I think Caesar was spoonfed as well, but that poo poo was evil and hard to swallow anyway so I let it pass I guess.
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Rex Deckard posted:Pretty sure the answer is No. I am pretty sure that both Yes Man and NCR at least give you them in masse, and let you decide. This was the first time I got a single direction to do something. I think Caesar was spoonfed as well, but that poo poo was evil and hard to swallow anyway so I let it pass I guess. Only Yes Man gives you the jobs freeform. NCR even requires you to change questgivers midstream.
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Sep 26, 2012 07:31
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Rex Deckard posted:Pretty sure the answer is No. I am pretty sure that both Yes Man and NCR at least give you them in masse, and let you decide. This was the first time I got a single direction to do something. I think Caesar was spoonfed as well, but that poo poo was evil and hard to swallow anyway so I let it pass I guess. You're not going to enjoy the NCR.
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Sep 26, 2012 07:45
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And really, the only reason Yes Man gives you everything at once is because Yes Man is the "gently caress IT" option, not a real choice  Of course, it's worth mentioning that if you have an idea of who you're dealing with or are just curious enough to complete various quests without prompting, you can turn in a bunch at once. I accidentally completed a couple of quests for House all at once just by dealing with the Omertas (those fuckers) and the BoS (those power-armored fuckers) on my own once. Sidenote but I always liked that, if you complete Omertas the evil way, you can still avoid failing House's quest by answering a speech check where you reason that you helped them just to see what they're up to, and he should totally send some Securitrons into Gomorrah to kill them all when they try to enact their plan. God, the Three Families needed ending slides 
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Sep 26, 2012 07:56
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I was forced into Yes Man path once, because I wanted to do some House quests up to a point of no return. Before the choice I dicked around Vegas for some time, so once I did securiton army stuff House was like "Oh nice, I also see you did stuff with Boomers, and Omertas and this and that, now kill BoS.." (honestly, I don't think spoilering this stuff makes sense anymore..) and in the mean time I got and failed "Don't thread on bear" and Legion counterpart. Then I left tower and overwritten my autosave like an idiot.
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Sep 26, 2012 09:16
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The only thing that makes you an idiot there is not using CASM.
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Sep 26, 2012 10:10
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You're not going to enjoy the NCR. Not sure why I didn't remember that. Ok, next time get more sleep then post. On another note, Fist of Rawr is ridiculous.
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Sep 26, 2012 13:35
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Can anyone basically give me a truncated non-spoiler answer as to whether you need to go along with House's plan until he powers up the Securitrons in the southern bunker and then betray him? Yes Man implies that that route would be advantageous, but that's totally unlike this game. The reason I ask is because the comedy of walking into New Vegas for the first time and not even talking to Mr House before you bust into his house and beat the poo poo out of him is pretty hilarious. That DICK! fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Sep 26, 2012 |
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Sep 26, 2012 15:04
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As far as I know, you really don't need to do poo poo for anyone ever to finish independent. He's literally there for "if you gently caress up everything, you can still finish the game" Basically do whatever you want. Yes-man wants what's best for you, but he's there for you no matter what 
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Sep 26, 2012 15:18
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Right, I forgot that the Independent path just dumped all its quests on you at once. Of course, a player with large amounts of Elder Scrolls experience, I did all the side quests I could find before going anywhere near the endings, so the ending paths for me were mostly just "talk to this group (already done), then this group (already did, they suck), and this last one" "Huh, missed that one, off I go."
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Sep 26, 2012 15:33
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Looking through the wiki I was made sad yet again that there are more Yes-Man missions than legion. I seriously cannot think of a natural way for me to work for the legion, outside of (wanna see this ending). And yet, it's still is weird it's not a fleshed out option.
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Sep 26, 2012 15:59
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I'm doing this quest for the Bitter Springs refugee camp where they want me to find a sniper. The marker is near Bloodbourne Cave (I think that's what it's called; the cave with all the nightstalkers) but because of how loving awkward the cliffs are in this game I can't for the life of me figure out how to get to it. I'll consult Youtube.
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Sep 26, 2012 16:28
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I just completed Old World Blues and I loved it. I was getting annoyed at all the insta-spawning lobotomites and plasma-toting Mr Gutsies but once I found the Protonic Reversal Axe then enemies ceased to become a problem. I'm a little disappointed at how useless the K-9000 is though.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:15
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Dr Snofeld posted:I just completed Old World Blues and I loved it. I was getting annoyed at all the insta-spawning lobotomites and plasma-toting Mr Gutsies but once I found the Protonic Reversal Axe then enemies ceased to become a problem. I'm a little disappointed at how useless the K-9000 is though. If you get the mods for it, the K-9000 is pretty decent. Besides, even if the stats aren't all that great, how could you not love a doggy gun  ?
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Sep 26, 2012 18:23
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I really wanted to use the dog gun but I was doing an Energy Weapons playthrough so I couldn't make good use of him.  Maybe next playthrough.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:26
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It's not good even then. Automatic weapons just suck rear end in this game, even with the JESawyer tweak.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:38
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DamnGlitch posted:Looking through the wiki I was made sad yet again that there are more Yes-Man missions than legion. No there aren't  Yes Man has you going to the same places as Caesar's quests except you also have to meet the Omertas (just going into the Casino counts) and the Khans (pretty sure meeting the guys who were with Benny counts). Oh, and you go to the substation that House has you go to. But apart from that you don't get things like the monorail bombing or getting the parts for the artillery or the stuff with the autodoc or whatnot.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:39
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MrL_JaKiri posted:No there aren't DamnGlitch posted:Looking through the wiki... I glanced at the wiki and the way it is laid out, at first glance it looks like what I was saying. I suppose that is a pretty flimsy reason to complain about something. It was just a passing thought I had when seeing that.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:54
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I just feel bad whenever I have to kill Mr. House. The guy is just chilling quietly in his pod, he gives you money, a job and a free room, then you just burst in and kill him for selfish reasons. His "Why did do you do this?" when you kill him is one of the most  bits of the game, but his speech to you if you back him and help him repel the Legion is really  . House is pretty chill, unless you're actively hurting his, or by extension, Vegas's interests. He doesn't tell you to kill the Brotherhood exactly, just to blow up the bunker, and hey, if they don't take the warning sirens as a prompt to evacuate and design to carry on milling about, it's their own fault. I think that House's protrayal as a tryant in the ending doesn't really match his character in the rest of the game - that "murder all the Kings unless they hate the NCR" seems kind of out of left field, considering that he says he'll leave Freeside to govern itself, and he seems more concerned about the conduct of the Omertas. And killing House kills Victor. And Victor is awesome, which makes it the wrong choice.
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Sep 26, 2012 19:13
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You can interpret any person's actions as bad or as good in any situation (video game or otherwsie). House is no different, this is the very essence of morally grey scenarios in any situation-- good reasons to do something and good reasons to not do that thing. Only, it's a video game and you can eventually do every action in the game and I have (I think). 200 hours into this game, what is my problem 
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Sep 26, 2012 19:22
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CrunchyTaco posted:You can interpret any person's actions as bad or as good in any situation (video game or otherwsie). House is no different, this is the very essence of morally grey scenarios in any situation-- good reasons to do something and good reasons to not do that thing. Oh yeah, House is an aggorant jerk who does lots of morally ambigous things. I just like him more than Moore, Ceasar or Yes Man, and feel bad killing him, is all - it's a personal preference. The writing for this game is top notch, that's why.
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Sep 26, 2012 19:27
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OldMemes posted:I just feel bad whenever I have to kill Mr. House. The guy is just chilling quietly in his pod, he gives you money, a job and a free room, then you just burst in and kill him for selfish reasons. I killed House on an impulse during my first playthrough because he said something that made me feel indignant, I don't remember what. I was playing a mercenary character so I figured if I had a foot in the door with the richest guy in Vegas I should use it. Then he started talking down to me or something and I started shooting his robots in the face. I didn't think the game would actually let me kill him, I thought either the robots would be invincible or they would respond with impossibly overwhelming force to kill me immediately. Imagine my surprise.
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thehumandignity posted:I killed House on an impulse during my first playthrough because he said something that made me feel indignant, I don't remember what. I was playing a mercenary character so I figured if I had a foot in the door with the richest guy in Vegas I should use it. Then he started talking down to me or something and I started shooting his robots in the face. I didn't think the game would actually let me kill him, I thought either the robots would be invincible or they would respond with impossibly overwhelming force to kill me immediately. Imagine my surprise. The guy who makes the New Vegas Uncut mods looked inside some of the quest scripting and found various evidences that point to Mr. House being hard. There was a card key thing and it also involved Emily Ortal quest where you would monitor his life signs and then using that to your advantage. Also if you attempted to kill House at one point already and failed, but escaped, you could try again and he would mock you the during the whole attack. To be brief killing Mr. House was going to be more of a hurdle than just walking over and polishing your 9-iron on his face. Here's the source http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=15410, it's pretty interesting stuff.
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OldMemes posted:
He doesn't tell you to kill the BoS because their lives simply don't occur to him. They're not people. They're a bunker. That doesn't absolve him. That's the issue. He doesn't kill the Kings because he hates them or because he's a mustache twirling villain. He kills them because he's impatient and doesn't have time to deal with the little issues, so he just gets rid of them. At no point does it really sink in for him that people are dying. It's just a disorderly corner of his domain to be tidied up. He's not a monster because he's a power hungry tyrant. He's a monster because he's got "bigger concerns" than petty things like human lives. He's sending humanity back to the stars. Who cares what happens to the eggs when that's the omelet you're cooking? Put simply, House believes that progress trumps human welfare. That's why he's horrible. (For comparison, Caesar, at his most idealistic, thinks Civilization trumps human welfare, and that's why even his ideals are horrible. The NCR, at its most idealistic, thinks nothing trumps human welfare, and that's why it's the best. It just has a lot of trouble living up to its own ideals.)
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So I finally got around to playing this game again on my new computer, and while it is fun, and looks great now that I can play it on something other than the lowest settings, I am having a serious issue that I hope you guys can help me with. For some reason I am getting a bunch of input lag with my movement. It is mainly with moving forward, and it isn't all the time, but I will let go of the button, and my character will keep moving forward slightly, somewhat between a full step and a half step. Edit: Tried turning off Vsync but it didn't help. Sometimes it is almost like my guy takes a bounding leap forward since the movement speed actually increases. Please tell me that someone knows of a fix. jadebullet fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 26, 2012 |
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Sep 26, 2012 21:19
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Eiba posted:(For comparison, Caesar, at his most idealistic, thinks Civilization trumps human welfare, and that's why even his ideals are horrible. The NCR, at its most idealistic, thinks nothing trumps human welfare, and that's why it's the best. It just has a lot of trouble living up to its own ideals.) And Yes Man thinks nothing trumps your welfare  jadebullet posted:So I finally got around to playing this game again on my new computer, and while it is fun, and looks great now that I can play it on something other than the lowest settings, I am having a serious issue that I hope you guys can help me with. Gamebryo, Gamebryo never changes
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Eiba posted:(For comparison, Caesar, at his most idealistic, thinks Civilization trumps human welfare, and that's why even his ideals are horrible. The NCR, at its most idealistic, thinks nothing trumps human welfare, and that's why it's the best. It just has a lot of trouble living up to its own ideals.)
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Ravenfood posted:That, and the people running the NCR feel that their welfare trumps everyone elses' welfare, and that the welfare of the NCR trumps the welfare of people in general. Yeah, I would say that the NCR are more interested in their own basket. The Followers are the people that care for human welfare no matter what. The NCR will gladly put people in danger to better their own Economic standing and or situation.
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Eiba posted:Put simply, House believes that progress trumps human welfare. That's why he's horrible. But my Courier was "fair and kind hearted" and got House all his snowglobes, so I'm sure something will work out -hopefully.  Does House even want control over Freeside? I thought he was willing to let it govern itself so long as things stay orderly, the tourists get through ok, and no violence flows over to the strip.House is selfish, but at least he's not "do awful things or I will yell at you" Ceasar, or "This ARE COUNTRY" Moore. And Yes Man just creeps me out.
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I always roll NCR, but I've never gotten myself to like Colonel Moore. "We don't have any Rangers to send in at the moment, so would you kindly go take on an entire chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel for me by yourself? Also, you suck and are awful for even asking me about any other options apart from that." I mean, your army spared six troopers for the Powder Gangers at one point, and I suspect a bunker full of Brotherhood paladins is just a mite more dangerous than that. It would be kind of cool if they worked in an option for if you had done parts of/completed Still in the Dark, you could let Moore know that the Brotherhood had been overestimating the NCR's strength. At least she salutes you sometimes, it's about time someone showed me a little respect. But with the NCR I reassure myself by figuring on a revolving door of power in a lot of the positions, and the fact that General Oliver seems to be at least somewhat self-aware when he congratulates you at the end of the game, saying that he recognizes his country sometimes follows the wrong track.
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Eiba posted:
I really liked how you could explore and help shape how each side proceeds when it comes to viewing the survivors of the wasteland and the recovery and re-growth of society. Everybody had a different idea of how things were, where to go, and different ways to reconcile ideas internally and manage government. Caesar had Caesar, NCR had a Senate, House had his own dynamic, and even smaller players like the Khans or Fiends had their own angles and ideas (Fiends being "gently caress it the world's over" is still a valid post-apocalyptic idea).
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Sep 27, 2012 00:45
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Fiends complex worldview: take drugs kill 'x'
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Sep 27, 2012 00:57
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JawKnee posted:Fiends complex worldview: take drugs kill 'x' I loved that when you go to Vault 3 you'll find some of them dead in their rooms surrounded by drugs. I thought it was a really nice touch to find ODed Fiends.
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Sep 27, 2012 04:12
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I've been siding with House because he represent my goals and philosophy IRL - the usual posthumanist nerd wet dream. And he did save Vegas. I'm not sure about killing BoS and I'm holding off until I do all the subquests. I wish you could have lead the Kings or the Omertas somehow to victory.
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Sep 27, 2012 04:29
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The Omertas are sinister as poo poo but they always seemed the most sensible option for the self-involved evil character, since they represent the gangsters-and-drugs-and-hookers kind of immorality most people desire today (see: the poster of Scarface hanging in every dorm room). I like the Legion conceptually but I can't ever see a non-insane Courier being like "straight-edge cult propagated by forced slavery and brainwashing that shuns all modern science and medicine? Hells yeah bro!" There's just zero reasons it would be in your character's self-interest, man or woman. Unless you really really hated the NCR and didn't think House or Yes Man (or Elijah in that Dead Money secret ending) could screw them over adequately enough. Wolfsheim fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Sep 27, 2012 |
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Sep 27, 2012 05:00
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I wish you could have allied with all the factions and converted them into powerhouses. Great Khans, Powder Gangers, Fiends, Followers, BoS.... It woulda taken a whole game to be focused specifically on that concept, though. What we got is good. FNV has so loving much to do, and the DLCs are awesome.
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Sep 27, 2012 05:06
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My biggest letdown in Fallout: New Vegas is that you weren't able to side with Benny. I'm probably alone in this but I did everything I could to make it happen and was really disappointed to learn I couldn't. I just wanted to rule New Vegas with Matthew Perry
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Wolfsheim posted:The Omertas are sinister as poo poo but they always seemed the most sensible option for the self-involved evil character, since they represent the gangsters-and-drugs-and-hookers kind of immorality most people desire today (see: the poster of Scarface hanging in every dorm room). I like the Legion conceptually but I can't ever see a non-insane Courier being like "straight-edge cult propagated by forced slavery and brainwashing that shuns all modern science and medicine? Hells yeah bro!" Maybe your dude is just real big on slavery and loves rape. I mean it's a little extreme but that combined with really hating the ncr could be enough to justify it.
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Wolfsheim posted:There's just zero reasons it would be in your character's self-interest, man or woman. Unless you really really hated the NCR and didn't think House or Yes Man (or Elijah in that Dead Money secret ending) could screw them over adequately enough. I dunno, I think Elijah in Dead Money does a pretty drat thorough job, it's hard to see how anything the Legion does could top a flesh-eating-gas nuke backed by nigh-unstoppable laser holograms
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thehumandignity posted:I killed House on an impulse during my first playthrough because he said something that made me feel indignant, I don't remember what. I was playing a mercenary character so I figured if I had a foot in the door with the richest guy in Vegas I should use it. Then he started talking down to me or something and I started shooting his robots in the face. I didn't think the game would actually let me kill him, I thought either the robots would be invincible or they would respond with impossibly overwhelming force to kill me immediately. Imagine my surprise. This is exactly what happened in my first game. In his early dialogue you can ask him a lot of stuff that he responds to by talking down to you. Let me get this straight, I'm a stealthy sniper badass who lays death and destruction upon everything I come across, you need my help, and your tactic for getting me on your side is to insult me? Gobi rifle out, security bots down, let House out and shoot him right in his arrogant face. gently caress you, House. I have never not killed him in subsequent games.
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