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travisray2004 posted:ugh I've lost all faith in BMW. They continue to get uglier and less "ultimate driving machine." Apart from the A7, Audi is putting out way nicer models. Hey now, that 1 series GT is basically identical in concept and execution to the Audi A3, except it's a Mini instead of a Golf.
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So a buddy and me got to talking at work and he let me in on a weird fact. You can buy a brand new Dodge 1500 with a 5.7L and 3.92 axle with LSD for under 24 thousand dollars. Making this I think the cheapest V8 RWD car you can buy. Heres one I built http://www.ramtrucks.com/hostc/bmo/CUT201213DS1L61A/2TA/summary.do
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Sep 27, 2012 21:31
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travisray2004 posted:ugh I've lost all faith in BMW. They continue to get uglier and less "ultimate driving machine." Apart from the A7, Audi is putting out way nicer models. Apart from the A7? Which BMW do you think competes with the A7 and is better? If anything, it seems like the A7 is the *best* example of Audi putting out nicer models...
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Sep 27, 2012 22:17
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Steve French posted:Apart from the A7? Which BMW do you think competes with the A7 and is better? I think the A7 is completely hideous, I've seen several on the road recently and they just look strange.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:30
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Weinertron posted:I think the A7 is completely hideous, I've seen several on the road recently and they just look strange. But have you seen the 5 series GT?
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Sep 27, 2012 23:49
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Preoptopus posted:So a buddy and me got to talking at work and he let me in on a weird fact. I don't think a Ram 1500 qualifies as a "car".
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Sep 27, 2012 23:59
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Bovril Delight posted:I don't think a Ram 1500 qualifies as a "car". Wheeled object.
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Sep 28, 2012 00:10
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It's also kind of a no-brainer. Base engines in trucks are V6s that would be out of place in all but the largest cars, and V8s are common options, even when the rest of the truck is as close to poverty-spec as is still possible to get. A car with equivalent amenities is going to be some form of econobox with a four cylinder; any car with a V8 these days is not targeted at the "cheapest possible X" market.
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Sep 28, 2012 00:17
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IOwnCalculus posted:A car with equivalent amenities is going to be some form of econobox with a four cylinder; any car with a V8 these days is not targeted at the "cheapest possible X" market. Almost as if the V8 engine itself doesn't cost drastically more than an I4, and that the expense is because engine choice is useful price discrimination (i.e. let people who want to or are able to pay more pay more).
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Sep 28, 2012 00:44
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Preoptopus posted:So a buddy and me got to talking at work and he let me in on a weird fact. Yeah, but with a 5,000 lb curb weight, 70/30 weight split and 4-speed auto it's not exactly going to be blowing the doors off of anything.
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Sep 28, 2012 00:57
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Weinertron posted:I think the A7 is completely hideous, I've seen several on the road recently and they just look strange.  Yeah excuse me while I vomit...  and gouge out my eyes
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Sep 28, 2012 01:06
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Fucknag posted:Yeah, but with a 5,000 lb curb weight, 70/30 weight split and 4-speed auto it's not exactly going to be blowing the doors off of anything. The one in that link seems to be a V6. If you click one of the V8 options it comes with a 6 speed auto.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:13
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Almost as if the V8 engine itself doesn't cost drastically more than an I4, and that the expense is because engine choice is useful price discrimination (i.e. let people who want to or are able to pay more pay more). Have you not noticed that nearly every car on the market, with any engine, below $25,000 new, is front-wheel-drive and thus a terrible candidate for a large, heavy engine? Below that Ram's $24k price point, there are only two cars that I can find where you even have the option of a V8, and that's the Camaro and the Mustang (though you'd need to be at about $30k to get the two extra cylinders). It's not price discrimination, it's that you have to design the car around the engine(s) offered in the car. Aside from a few nutjobs here, perhaps, nobody would actually want a FWD 1UZ-powered Corolla, or LS3-powered Cruze, and the design compromises needed to make it even viable would make the bread-and-butter 4cyl versions considerably worse. Trucks get away with it because nobody really wants a truck that's designed to be as good as it could be around only a V6; fullsizes outsell what's left of the 'small' truck market by a long shot, and calling a modern Tacoma small is a big stretch.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:16
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Couple years back a goon made a thread about buying an F350 short bed and manual transmission for like 16k brand new. Not a typical price, but the Dodge truck is a ripoff at 24k.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:17
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Nitrox posted:Couple years back a goon made a thread about buying an F350 short bed and manual transmission for like 16k brand new. Not a typical price, but the Dodge truck is a ripoff at 24k. Yeah, if Ford is selling a truck that MSRPs for $30k at $16k, then yeah I guess that's a better deal than buying a Dodge that MSRPs at $25k for $25k. Glad we didn't fall for that one huh. 
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Sep 28, 2012 01:21
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If I didnt have the V8 + Six Spreed in the build thats what I ment, Sorry. My buddies point was that in his opinion it would beat on v6 Mustangs and for 5 grand more you can bolt a blower on it and have a monster of a truck for effectively under 30 grand.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:24
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Preoptopus posted:My buddies point was that in his opinion it would beat on v6 Mustangs In what context is he meaning? I doubt that's true for performance even in a straight line (isn't the V6 Mustang somewhat of a monster these days) and it certainly isn't for anything involving corners or stopping. I'm sure it would beat on the car for towing a trailer, or hauling furniture or whatever but then that's is (or at least was) the entire point of a pickup truck.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:37
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IOwnCalculus posted:Have you not noticed that nearly every car on the market, with any engine, below $25,000 new, is front-wheel-drive and thus a terrible candidate for a large, heavy engine? Below that Ram's $24k price point, there are only two cars that I can find where you even have the option of a V8, and that's the Camaro and the Mustang (though you'd need to be at about $30k to get the two extra cylinders). I don't know that we're disagreeing. In cars where a V8 is an option, it costs not what the difference in engine costs the manufacturer, but what the manufacturer compromises what V8 buyers would be willing to pay with their opportunity to profit. Price discrimination is basically letting people who want to pay more pay more while people who want to pay less can pay less. Different options, different models, and different brands are all part of that strategy of having what the customer wants, while attempting to balance it with economies of scale and that it might be cheaper to manufacture 10,000 V8 Challengers than 5,000 V6 Challengers and 5,000 V8 Challengers.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:40
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You used to be able to option the V8 and 6 speed in a base model Commodore (with wind up windows and steel wheels) but since then its been shifted up to only the more expensive models.
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Sep 28, 2012 01:49
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Steve French posted:Apart from the A7? Which BMW do you think competes with the A7 and is better? I don't like 4 door coupes to begin with so there's that but I'd say the 6 GT is more attractive. The front of the A7 is very nice but that rear overhang is horrible. E: My bad; 6 series Gran Coupe. travisray2004 fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 28, 2012 |
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Sep 28, 2012 01:55
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travisray2004 posted:I don't like 4 door coupes to begin with so there's that but I'd say the 6 GT is more attractive. The front of the A7 is very nice but that rear overhang is horrible. Eh, the overhangs are horrible on pretty much every Audi. That's where the engine lives.
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Sep 28, 2012 02:00
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Preoptopus posted:So a buddy and me got to talking at work and he let me in on a weird fact. I got my 05 Ram Daytona new for $23,500, but that was a huge discount on the sticker. A Hemi regular cab 4x2 with a 3.92 absolutely screams in a straight line, but the wheelhop around corners is....unnerving. If you like drag racing, it's basically a 2 1/2 ton 13 second machine, which can be hilarious. Preoptopus posted:If I didnt have the V8 + Six Spreed in the build thats what I ment, Sorry. My buddies point was that in his opinion it would beat on v6 Mustangs and for 5 grand more you can bolt a blower on it and have a monster of a truck for effectively under 30 grand. Exactly. They are way loving faster in a straight line than people expect. I suspect mine will only go 100-110mph, but goddamn the 20-60 roll is loving scary. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Sep 28, 2012 |
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Sep 28, 2012 02:05
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VikingSkull posted:I got my 05 Ram Daytona new for $23,500, but that was a huge discount on the sticker. A Hemi regular cab 4x2 with a 3.92 absolutely screams in a straight line, but the wheelhop around corners is....unnerving. You would be best buds with this guy in my shop.
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Sep 28, 2012 02:08
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I'm getting a supercharger for mine eventually. 5,000 pounds, big gear out back and 600hp or so should be cartoonish enough for me to get some sport truck recognition in AI. There's Rams running 10s and 11s out in the wild, I know AI hates trucks but a 5,000 pound anything that fast is AI as gently caress, IMO.
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Sep 28, 2012 02:11
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My pops said he stopped and talked to someone in town that owns one of these: http://www.carsforsale.com/used_cars_for_sale/2011_Snyder_SD600c_134235598  Said that he's too nervous to take it out on the highway and when he took it out on some hillier backroads he got 40-45mpg; otherwise it's advertised at 70mpg. I think I'd buy a used turbo diesel and not wonder if I'll make it out alive.
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Sep 28, 2012 02:14
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Gotta say I love the new GTI although I'm curious what changes will be made to bring it downmarket for us here in the US. I'll shamelessly channel Clarkson and add that the GTI really is the perfect car for everyday use. I can't think of any other car that strikes as good of a balance between being fun to drive, practical, and comfortable (especially with the Autobahn/leather package) all while being understated. Admittedly I'm a bit biased since I have a Mk6 GTI, but whenever I feel a bit jealous of the Focus ST for being a better handler or the MS3 for being a bit faster I come back to the GTI satisfied that none of its competitors do as good of a job of minimizing compromises in other areas.
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D C posted:
I would do some shameful things for an S7.  Really just some terrible, vile things. 
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Sep 28, 2012 03:22
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I like the A7. To me it looks awkward, but different enough to be making a statement. It makes enough homage to the R8 to overcome some of the weirdness.
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Sep 28, 2012 03:38
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Pretty much every single one of Audis line up is at the least decent right now which is something to be said, and when they look good they look very good.
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Sep 28, 2012 04:34
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Last time I went to the drag strip there were quite a few of those dodges running various levels of time with various modifications. Some were fast indeed. This is Texas though where I have seen more than one convertible pickup. And not a ssr.
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Sep 28, 2012 16:00
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Residency Evil posted:Gotta say I love the new GTI although I'm curious what changes will be made to bring it downmarket for us here in the US. I'll shamelessly channel Clarkson and add that the GTI really is the perfect car for everyday use. I can't think of any other car that strikes as good of a balance between being fun to drive, practical, and comfortable (especially with the Autobahn/leather package) all while being understated. Admittedly I'm a bit biased since I have a Mk6 GTI, but whenever I feel a bit jealous of the Focus ST for being a better handler or the MS3 for being a bit faster I come back to the GTI satisfied that none of its competitors do as good of a job of minimizing compromises in other areas. I was going to post my whole thing about VW's NA strategy YET AGAIN but I am lazy and so I'll just say that VW will absolutely not be decontenting the next gen Golf or GTI for the US market in the same way they decontented the Jetta.
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Sep 28, 2012 18:10
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Cream_Filling posted:It's not the quality. It's the styling they hate. Especially that giant center-mount speedometer. This. And the stupid loving toggle switches which feel cheap and are useless.
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Sep 28, 2012 18:10
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The center-mounted speedo is the only reason I don't own a Mini. gently caress cars that do that stupid poo poo.
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Sep 28, 2012 18:26
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sbaldrick posted:The center-mounted speedo is the only reason I don't own a Mini. gently caress cars that do that stupid poo poo. I know at least on the earlier generation of the new ones, if you got nav you got the speedo relocated to a pod right above the steering wheel. edit: like this one. 
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Sep 28, 2012 18:44
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CornHolio posted:I know at least on the earlier generation of the new ones, if you got nav you got the speedo relocated to a pod right above the steering wheel. Yeah but nowadays, if you get nav, the nav screen is located in the middle of the giant speedo. 
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Sep 28, 2012 18:54
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah but nowadays, if you get nav, the nav screen is located in the middle of the giant speedo. I didn't mind the center-mounted speedo in our '03, but it was easy to read at a glance. Between the glare, tiny font and tiny amount of visible needle, that doesn't seem to be the case with the newer ones. What the hell, Mini?
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Sep 28, 2012 18:56
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CornHolio posted:I didn't mind the center-mounted speedo in our '03, but it was easy to read at a glance. Between the glare, tiny font and tiny amount of visible needle, that doesn't seem to be the case with the newer ones. What the hell, Mini? I just have the speedo set on the tac. I never use the center mounted one.
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Sep 28, 2012 19:02
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sbaldrick posted:The center-mounted speedo is the only reason I don't own a Mini. gently caress cars that do that stupid poo poo. The Countryman All4 is a pretty nice car, and a good size for a family of 3 or 4, but that loving interior... I didn't mind the front seat but the back seats were awful and the design seems to be deliberately kitschy at the cost of ergonomics.
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Aurune posted:I just have the speedo set on the tac. I never use the center mounted one. I actually forget that I have the huge-rear end center one sometimes since I have a digital speed readout on the tac. The only major gripe I have about my Mini's interior is that I can't easily put the windows up or down if I have a large drink in the cupholders.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I was going to post my whole thing about VW's NA strategy YET AGAIN but I am lazy and so I'll just say that VW will absolutely not be decontenting the next gen Golf or GTI for the US market in the same way they decontented the Jetta. I dunno, they definitely "decontented" the current MK6, previous MK5s, etc. I can definitely see things like LED tails getting omitted again.
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