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Ammanas posted:Yeah that scene doesn't hold up at all, the timing is terrible. Maybe it'd have worked a bit better if the villian hadn't gone on for 30 seconds - was Anderson just standing there the entire time waiting? It's possible Dredd was stalling in the hope she would show up. Maybe she signalled telepathically that she was near; she'd already demonstrated projecting telepathy when she went into Kay's mind and controlled what he was seeing.
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I think it was just a dumb scene. Only part of the movie I didn't like though.
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I really wanted to like this more, but The Raid spoiled me  . Champagne problems.Urban nailed Dredd, Thirlby seemed torn from the pages of the comic, and Headly as Ma-Ma turned out a much more nuanced performance than I expected. I have a warm place in my heart for the aesthetics of the Stallone film, but the absurd scale of the urban banality that dominated this film makes for a Mega City One I'd like to see again. Hell, it even had the four Dark Judges!
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Sep 29, 2012 01:56
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Jedit posted:It's possible Dredd was stalling in the hope she would show up. There's no "possible" about it, he literally states this for the audience.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:48
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I watched Dredd again tonight. Still awesome. When Anderson takes over interrogating Kay, Dredd walks away and stands in front of an American flag. To me it looks like while Anderson invades Kay's mind to take what she wants, America stands watching the torture and approves because it gets results. I really liked the part where Bad-Judge Lex is standing over Dredd and talking down to him, and Karl Urban is making the Dredd-face super hard.
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Sep 29, 2012 07:20
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:There's no "possible" about it, he literally states this for the audience. Yeah, but he didn't necessarily know she was there when he started stalling, is my point.
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Just saw this movie as well. At least there was 8 people in the theater when I saw it. Loved it. Excellent and easy to root for protagonist versus a terrifying antagonist. Great cinematography with matching industrial music. For a guy with a face you never get to see, Urban exuded a ton of charisma and menace. So much meaning from the different grunts. Reminds me of the beer commercial where the only word spoken is 'dude'. I disagreed with other people's positive view of Anderson. She had too much plot armor. Mama had to order for Anderson's execution twice and even then it was 10 minutes before Kay even bothered. Also, why was Kay alone during the attempted execution? I'm going to do my part by spreading word of mouth and trying to get my girlfriend to come see it with me again. There needs to be a sequel.
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Saw it today in glorious 2D. Horray for $5 pre-noon showings! There was still about 10-12 people on the theater. I was... a little bit disappointed. I've been following this thread, so I guess all the praise must have raised my expectations. If I would have seen it "cold" (IE, expecting an abortion on-par with the Stallone movie) I probably would have been more impressed. I thought it was Good, but not Great. I still hope they make more of them. I think I remember somebody earlier in the thread praising the movie for the making the bad guys distinctive. I didn't get that at all. The second-in-command guy seemed like a generic mid-level thug, the guy they were escorting around seemed fairly bland, and the only other guy that stuck out was the one with the really bad wig (that probably got the biggest reaction from the crowd).
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Managed to drag a friend of mine to a showing today; had to drive about an hour to a theater that was actually showing the film since our local 9-screen cineplex apparently needs two screens devoted to Sweet Home Transylvania and Obama's America. Regardless, we loved it; the slo-mo scenes were superb, a bunch of rad-looking gangers had terrible things done to their faces, and Dredd was such a complete hardass jerkwad of a protagonist. Shame it's doing so awful box-office-wise, though. Also did it bug anyone else when Kay stupidly tried to use Anderson's gun right after his "I've seen a lot of judges over the years" speech? You'd think someone who's been in the crime business that long would know all about the horrible things that happen to your hands when trying to fire a judge's Lawbringer. Also where was Mean Machine Angel in all this 
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ChickenHeart posted:Also did it bug anyone else when Kay stupidly tried to use Anderson's gun right after his "I've seen a lot of judges over the years" speech? You'd think someone who's been in the crime business that long would know all about the horrible things that happen to your hands when trying to fire a judge's Lawbringer. Also where was Mean Machine Angel in all this I don't think that happens very often.
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I really loved this movie, but the scene with Kay and Anderson's gun really bothered me. You would think a hardened criminal near the top of a drug empire who has "seen a lot of judges" in his day would know their guns are booby trapped.
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threeagainstfour posted:I really loved this movie, but the scene with Kay and Anderson's gun really bothered me. Why would they anyone who touched a gun would have been killed and some might just think that those are just stories.
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Sep 30, 2012 06:26
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Saw it, thought it was pretty effing good. I think if they make more the setting should evolve more into the stallon movie setting. I liked how the main character wasn't over shadowed by the actor playing him.
Bunch of slack-jawed ferrets around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me.
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Saw the film today and really enjoyed it, but then again I've always been a fan of the Judge Dredd comics. The new film was very true to the source material. Good characterizations of Dredd and Anderson. It's a shame the film isn't doing that great at the box office. I had read that if the film did well enough that they planned to do two more Dredd films, with the third film being an adaptation of the popular GN "Judge Death" that featured the undead Judge Death and his Dark Judges.
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I saw it yesterday, and while I suspect I'll like it more in retrospect I do think it was really quite good. That's a bit of an odd statement, but the movie was really quite unpleasant to watch at times. However, I think this was to its favour. The particular thing that was unpleasant was the depiction of the violence. Not only did the camera linger on the effects of violence - both the blood exploding out of people but also, for example, the incinerated head at the beginning - but there were also a few points of showing misshapen bodies. There was of course, near the end, the judge's collapsed throat but the best instance was much earlier when Dredd and Anderson raid the drug room. When the door explodes, the camera focuses on the torso of the door guard (cutting out anything above or below) and how the blast forces it to contort. That whole scene in particular is a great example of how the Slo-mo conceit was used to focus on the effects of violence. I'd like to say that this is generally a strong asset to a film that wants to satirize police militarization, but then I might be the only person squeamish enough to have reacted this way. There are two things I'd really like help with. -1- At the end, when Anderson wakes up, after having been shot in the confrontation in Ma-Ma's room, the first thing that comes in to focus is a small wire animal. Is there any significance to that? I think there was another wire thing hanging over the tech guy's computer. The camera seemed to focus in on the animal in a way that suggests it is somehow important. -2- Was there more going on with the drone camera/security camera shots than just equating the judges with the gang? Two things that stand out to me is that the security footage often seemed to be tied to tech guy's robotic eyes and, towards the end, we get security camera footage of Ma-Ma sealing herself in her quarters, but what is notable is that we don't actually see anybody. Instead, we're just treated to the last second of the door slamming shut.
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bobkatt013 posted:Why would they anyone who touched a gun would have been killed and some might just think that those are just stories. Witnesses would have seen it, you would have to think. Anyway, Judges probably don't lose their Lawgivers very often and most perps wouldn't bother trying to use one; it doesn't use standard ammunition, so only the Judges can reload it. The occasions where someone does use one could be passed off as a malfunction or jam or as a stupid perp accidentally setting off an explosive round because he doesn't know how to set the gun properly.
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I just saw Dredd, and it's already movie of the year for me. Urban did an amazing acting job considering you never even see his face. I hope beyond hope that this movie gets enough hype going for a sequel, because I definitely want more of this Dredd and Anderson. I'm also really impressed with Lena Headey's performance- it didn't even occur to me until the movie was almost over that it was loving Cersei. I grew up with 2000AD, so at first I was kind of skeptical about the look of the city and some of the aesthetic choices, especially in terms of the big meg, but I realise the budget limitations of the movie, and in fairness, this interpretation is fine by me-- and who knows, Mega City one might look quite different further away from the wall! And my god, the new uniform absolutely destroyed the Stallone version. Edit: Huh. Same supervising producer as District 9, and coincidentally, Jock, one of my favorite comic book artists did the concept art for the movie- no wonder it was so visually appealing to me. Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Sep 30, 2012 |
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bobkatt013 posted:Why would they anyone who touched a gun would have been killed and some might just think that those are just stories. Plus who would believe a Judge's gun explodes when someone else uses it? That's dumb, it should just shock them or something so the Judge can actually recover it.
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Sep 30, 2012 17:25
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Could be that they'd rather see the hardware destroyed if it goes into unqualified hands, because the judge will most likely be dead at that point anyway.
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Bohemian Nights posted:Edit: Huh. Same supervising producer as District 9, and coincidentally, Jock, one of my favorite comic book artists did the concept art for the movie- no wonder it was so visually appealing to me. Fun fact: that thug that Dredd Hot Shots at the beginning of the movie (the one we first see using SloMo) is Jason Cope, who was in District 9 doing the motion capture for Christopher Johnson, as well as one of the talking heads in the documentary segments. I thought he looked familiar, but I thought it was just a weird-looking Shaun Hatosy at first.
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Aphrodite posted:Plus who would believe a Judge's gun explodes when someone else uses it? That's dumb, it should just shock them or something so the Judge can actually recover it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLwNKEQ4ir4#t=4m33s Finally something in this story makes sense! 
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What was the significance of the "hot shot" at the beginning of the film? Just to show the audience how his gun works?
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tofes posted:What was the significance of the "hot shot" at the beginning of the film? Just to show the audience how his gun works? Yeah I think so. But in the comic a hotshot is a heat seeker, not a flare, so I'm a bit unclear on that too.
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Sep 30, 2012 20:45
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tofes posted:What was the significance of the "hot shot" at the beginning of the film? Just to show the audience how his gun works? It gives you some insight into how the judges in general and Dredd in particular work: the junkie receives an extra-torturous death for trying to defy Dredd. This then also helps set up the parallels between the police and the gang, and Dredd and Ma-Ma.
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Sep 30, 2012 21:24
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Also it looks cool.
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Saw it a couple days ago, loved it. I don't usually like gory films but Dredd has some really pretty visuals in a weird, funny and kind of messed up way. I'm kind of interested in the comic now, I read the first story and a lot of the dialogue is has this really weird comic-booky (I know) feel, though obviously it'll get better as the comic goes on; I'll look up some of the case files I guess. Shame there doesn't seem to be a thread for it (or any of the 2000AD stuff, for that matter) in BSS.
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Disproportionation posted:Saw it a couple days ago, loved it. I don't usually like gory films but Dredd has some really pretty visuals in a weird, funny and kind of messed up way. If people really want a Dredd thread in BSS, I'll make up an OP when I'm slightly less busy.
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Loved this movie, though I'm worried about there being no sequel. Went to a 6pm showing last Friday, and there were only 3 other people in the theater. It doesn't help that the theater I was at was only showing it in 3D, and was $15 a ticket. I don't think a lot of people wanna gamble that on a comic book character they've either never heard of, or associate with the Sylvester Stallone Judge Dredd.
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Jedit posted:If people really want a Dredd thread in BSS, I'll make up an OP when I'm slightly less busy. I would be interested in reading that.
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NESguerilla posted:I would be interested in reading that. Seconded.
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I was thinking about doing one and saw that there is interest in it. However, if you want to do it go ahead.
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bobkatt013 posted:I was thinking about doing one and saw that there is interest in it. However, if you want to do it go ahead. OK, I'll take time for an effortpost and put thirty years of perp cubing to work. Expect it maybe by this time next week - I'm doing a uni course in addition to full time work.
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catch22 posted:Loved this movie, though I'm worried about there being no sequel. Went to a 6pm showing last Friday, and there were only 3 other people in the theater. It doesn't help that the theater I was at was only showing it in 3D, and was $15 a ticket. I don't think a lot of people wanna gamble that on a comic book character they've either never heard of, or associate with the Sylvester Stallone Judge Dredd. Dredd only cost $45 million to make, so they stand a chance of making back their money, however the studio said they expected the film to earn at least $50 million in the U.S. in order to pave the way for the two planned sequel films. Of course, they still have to figure in the money they'll make from cable/Netflix/DVDs, but that may still not be enough for sequels. I didn't even know this film was coming out -- it seems like it's being poorly marketed. It's a shame since someone finally managed to get the film version of Judge Dredd correct.
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Inveigle posted:Dredd only cost $45 million to make, so they stand a chance of making back their money, however the studio said they expected the film to earn at least $50 million in the U.S. in order to pave the way for the two planned sequel films. Of course, they still have to figure in the money they'll make from cable/Netflix/DVDs, but that may still not be enough for sequels. The figure of $50m is going to be based on global projection from US figures. Movies often take half their box office in the US, so double that and they're aiming for $100m global. I don't think they're going to red flag sequels if the movie draws $150m worldwide but only $10m in the US - especially not if the DVD sells well once the word of mouth has spread.
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God I hope this movie gets a sequel, it seems like such a labour of love for everyone involved. Urban sells the gently caress out of that Dredd-frown, and gets all of the little interactions with Anderson absolutely right as well. There's some fantastic cinematography going on here as well, between the beautiful slo-mo shots, and some of those weird, gritty shots of the corridors of Peach Tree. I liked the weird way the camera tended to linger on the oddest little details, like the surveillance guy's twisted wire sculptures. And the slo-mo sequences made the 3D worth seeing, even though there were some problems with it (most notably from whatever idiot placed the subtitles - half the time you could barely focus on them and the other half they'd "clip" through the background). Really, I'd have gone for it just for the scene of Ma-Ma in the bath. Why they haven't thrown that clip up on Youtube in 3D as a promotion for this film is beyond me. The action was amazingly paced, switching freely between sudden, spasmodic spurts of gunfire and long, lingering shots of slow motion death and destruction. This is a film that never pulls its punches, or tries to justify the horrible actions of its protagonists. This is a terrible future, with all current dangerous tendencies stretched to a satirical extreme. There's character growth, but it's all negative. Anderson learns to mercilessly murder perps. Dredd, I suppose, learns to accept Anderson's "softer" approach, which would be positive if it weren't for the fact that her approach includes literal "enhanced interrogation". At the end of the day all we've got is one more frightening aspect to the judges, four fewer corrupt judges and a whole lot of dead perps who, it is repeatedly established, are mainly regular dudes with families who happen to live in terrible circumstances.
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Jedit posted:The figure of $50m is going to be based on global projection from US figures. Movies often take half their box office in the US, so double that and they're aiming for $100m global. I don't think they're going to red flag sequels if the movie draws $150m worldwide but only $10m in the US - especially not if the DVD sells well once the word of mouth has spread. Especially as the 50:50 figure is really not consistent across all movies. For example, the reason the Ice Age movies keep getting made is that they do REALLY well outside the US; Ice Age 3 only did about 22% of it's box office in America and 78% internationally. The question is will Dredd have a strong appeal outside the US/UK?
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Shanty posted:Dredd, I suppose, learns to accept Anderson's "softer" approach, which would be positive if it weren't for the fact that her approach includes literal "enhanced interrogation". The end of Dredd's arc is the best joke in the entire movie, where he ostensibly learns to be a better upholder of a horrifically unjust society and legal system.
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Crashbee posted:Seconded. Thirded. I'd love to know where to start and what to skip.
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Ok so I was really negative and skeptical about this movie from the trailer and premise but after seeing it (in 2D) I think it nailed early Dredd pretty convincingly in tone and spirit (if not exactly on aesthetics). I liked: Urban was utterly convincing as Dredd from the get go. The merciless way he upheld the letter of the law and his interaction with everyone (aside from the "Wait!") was pretty much perfect. I also dug the little mentions to the extended universe outside of Peach Trees such as the Resyck. The ridiculousness of the violence was well portrayed. The way that the perps just mow down everyone with gattling guns to try to get the judges was pretty true to the comic. I was never that into Anderson in the comics but she was much better in the sidekick-with-emotions role than Hershey in the 1995 film. Especially since she is the one that gets affected by Dredd and not vice-versa. I didn't like: Some of the aesthetics were just off for me. The costume and helmet were good but the lawmaster, lawgiver, the general look of the city and the block was just not there. Somehow I didn't get the sense of scale of peach trees which was meant to hold 70k people. I can't remember if it was just the 1995 movie or if it was in the comic as well that the lawgiver would also imprint the bullets with the Judge's DNA which would make the corrupt judges using their own weapons pretty stupid. But by far the biggest issue I had (and one I have with the earliest comics) is that Ma-Ma as a main villain is pretty 1-dimensional much like Whitey or any number of perps that Dredd blows away in the early years. All we see is that she is exceptionally violent and somehow that is enough to propel her to the top of a criminal empire in a city populated by exceptionally violent perps. In a sense, my main skepticism about the film going in was realised in that the final showdown was ultimately unsatisfying because there was nothing about Ma-Ma which made her a worthy adversary of Dredd which is why I guess they had to bring in corrupt Judges so Dredd could fight someone on a more-or-less equal footing. I suppose that is reflected in Dredd's assessment of the events to the Chief Judge but its still not satisfying. I would love to see sequels but I'm not sure how well the more outlandish stories could be translated onto the screen in two or so hours since they involve a great deal of slow burn buildup and backstory.
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