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Lincoln`s Wax posted:It may be weird, but it is my favorite BL novel. It was so totally different than what I was expecting it to be and something about it just really clicked with me. As I've been reading other novels (just finished For The Emperor, about to start Helsreach and the nightlords books), I've actually re-read Legion three times. Helsreach is awesome and has the best Titan combat since Titanicus, and the Talos Trilogy are the best books in the Black Library. If you like them, grab Cadian Blood and The Emperor's Gift.
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Haha, just realized I wrote For The Emperor instead of The Emperor's Gift. Haha. Tiny tiny bit of difference between the two, but yeah, TEG is awesome as hell.
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Sep 23, 2012 01:18
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:It may be weird, but it is my favorite BL novel. It was so totally different than what I was expecting it to be and something about it just really clicked with me. As I've been reading other novels (just finished For The Emperor, about to start Helsreach and the nightlords books), I've actually re-read Legion three times. I also liked it. The way the Legion was handled was probably the best way to do it and way better than what I was expecting.
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I liked Legion of the Damned, but it becomes stale and boring during the last part, and though the general structure of the novel is good and the writer sometimes does neat things with prose, I didn't feel like he was particularly good at writing.
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Sep 23, 2012 01:30
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Just finished Galaxy In Flames. Is it worth keeping to the release order for the rest of the books I want to read? I most want to read Fulgrim and First Heretic, but Flight of the Eisenstein seems to follow on pretty directly. I'm assuming I am not the only one who just skims for a few pages whenever they start describing combat. I think I only read two fights in whole across the whole trilogy.
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Sep 23, 2012 07:34
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Just finished Galaxy In Flames. Is it worth keeping to the release order for the rest of the books I want to read? I most want to read Fulgrim and First Heretic, but Flight of the Eisenstein seems to follow on pretty directly. How well do you know the fluff? If you're aware of the general Horus Heresy story, the reading order doesn't matter since it just fills in the details. If you're new to 40k and HH, I'd recommend you read the first three in succession since they're done as a sort of trilogy. Feel free to skip it though, Flight of the Eisenstein is okay when compared to bolter porn but outright sucks when you have First Heretic waiting to be read.
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Sep 23, 2012 07:47
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Yeah, I am pretty familiar with the fluff. Most of the original trilogy was wanting to see how stuff happens rather than seeing what happens. First Heretic it is then! Is there a Perturabo based HH book?
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Just finished Galaxy In Flames. Is it worth keeping to the release order for the rest of the books I want to read? I most want to read Fulgrim and First Heretic, but Flight of the Eisenstein seems to follow on pretty directly. Kinda, since they do tend to follow (albeit rather loosely) a chronology, or sometimes a chain of reveals and cameos, but the only ones that really have any sort of sequence are: The first 3-4. A Thousand Sons > Prospero Burns The First Heretic > Know No Fear A couple others that aren't worth reading. Flight of the Einsenstein happens directly after the end of Galaxy in Flames but it's a rather poor book that's really only there to establish James Swallow's pet character Garro, who only gets expanded upon in his audiobooks. I wouldn't recommend it. As for the bolter porn, it depends on the writer. Some do it well, others are loving atrocious at it.
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Is there a Perturabo based HH book? Nephilm posted:Kinda, since they do tend to follow (albeit rather loosely) a chronology, or sometimes a chain of reveals and cameos, but the only ones that really have any sort of sequence are: I'd say read Fulgrim instead of Flight of the Eisenstein. Though Eisenstein does fill in a bit about Mortarion in the beginning Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Sep 23, 2012 |
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Yeah, I am pretty familiar with the fluff. Most of the original trilogy was wanting to see how stuff happens rather than seeing what happens. First Heretic it is then! Graham McNeil's writing one called Angel Exterminatus, which is about Perturabo and Fulgrim going to the Eye of Terror. I guess Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children are 'his' legions now.
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Are there any books which have in-depth stories about the primarchs pre-crusade. I'd love to read a novel about Mortarion on his hideous toxic death planet for example. So far the most detail I've seen is the old Index Astartes articles back when White Dwarf was worth buying.
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Sep 23, 2012 14:34
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Are there any books which have in-depth stories about the primarchs pre-crusade. I'd love to read a novel about Mortarion on his hideous toxic death planet for example. So far the most detail I've seen is the old Index Astartes articles back when White Dwarf was worth buying. The Prince of Crows novella that is out today has flashbacks to Cruze as a child on the streets.
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What's yalls thoughts on this Brotherhood of the Storm? It's being sold for one week only for $50, I'm not sure if its worth it even if its about the Khan.
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Theparker posted:What's yalls thoughts on this Brotherhood of the Storm? It's being sold for one week only for $50, I'm not sure if its worth it even if its about the Khan. Chris Wraight is the third-best BL author by a mile and is very consistent, so I'm confident it'll be readable. Whether a novella is worth $50 is another issue entirely.
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Wraight chat: I have to say Wrath of Iron has grown on me. Usually the books that feature a specific chapter or segment of the Imperium seem to be trying to get you to see how totally awesome they are. It's a nice change to have a book that just lays out how the defenders of humanity are total bastards with emotional problems, and certainly more in line with the 40k ethos. Also if you haven't read the Swords of the Emperor duology, the omnibus comes out tomorrow. If you are interested in Warhammer fantasy in the slightest, order it right now. They are really great. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Sep 24, 2012 |
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Sep 24, 2012 19:06
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Arquinsiel posted:I am hopefully going to get a chance to talk to him as part of a comicbook thing, so I'll be sure to ask him why he hates us so much. Trast posted:Please do. I really do enjoy reading about the Imperial Guard in his books but let him know that being cannon fodder for the corrupt generals is grim enough without his buddy Cuu in the mix. Fried Chicken posted:So hey, guess I'm an idiot, but I just now made the connection that ADB's next book is probably the tie in to ForgeWorld's Horus Heresy release, since they are both dealing with Angron and have a Betrayer/Betrayal name going to them.
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Two of the gifts I recieved last Christmas were a Kindle, and a copy of the Space Marine game. Ever since, I've been addicted to both ebooks and everything Warhammer 40K. I've never played the table top, but fell in love with the lore/fluff and picked up the Eisenhorn trilogy. Then I picked up the Inquisition Wars series, because I read he talks to the Emperor in it and that sounded very awesome, which, while a cool scene, was not the best choice for someone who's knowledge of 40k comes from one video game and one trilogy. But I kept at it, and have read what some would call "too many" WH40k novels. And I guess I am easy to please, because I have enjoyed them all, even Battle for the Abyss. But I digress. I have just finished reading Shadows of Treachery, which was very fun, although I apparently read four or so of the stories in it somewhere before, but the new stuff was great. Especially Aaron Dembski-Bowden's one, because like many here, I have a soft spot for the Night Lords after reading his trilogy. And the non Horus Heresy book I just read was the Fall of Damnos from the Space Marines Battle stuff, thing series. I thought the crazy necron mentality in it was awesome and creepy, but the ending left a whole lot to be desired. In the very last chapter the Ultramarines find out the Necrons are reforming to attack, and they go off to meet them, and then in the next part its one of the Necron main guys summoning some demon Necron thing. I wasn't sure if it was my lack of knowledge, or if it is supposed to have a sequel, but it left it unresolved, and sort of put a damper on an otherwise fun read. It was a fun, no thinking romp, but no Helsreach or Battle of the Fang.
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I started painting up some of the Dark Angels models I have and decided that I wanted to know a little bit more about their history, all I really knew was the general outline from their codex and all of the various elements of the chapter felt very thrown together and not cohesive as a whole -- especially how the native american visual elements clashed with the monastic elements and the whole situation with the Watchers in the Dark. I picked up Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels from my local GW store. Descent of Angels was an enjoyable glimpse into the situation on Caliban shortly before and during the contact with the Emperor. I was enjoying the book but it ended very abruptly. When I finished it I wasn't aware that there was a sequel so I was a bit peeved at how the story really started moving along and then I hit the back cover of the book and there were no more words or epilogue or anything. One thing that I was not expecting is how little it focused on the Primarch and Luther. They are present but are not the protagonists, the Primarch is essentially a cipher and we have very little insight as to what motivates him. Actually the book paints him as a bit sinister which is something I was not expecting for a character that has traditionally been seen as one of the very good guys. Fallen Angels is a sequel by another author which picks up 50 years after Descent ends. It's really 2 stories, each one following one of the characters introduced in Descent. Unfortunately one of these stories is largely inconsequential and the two stories don't intersect at any point in the book. The narrative switches from one story to the other each chapter, with the end result being that you can probably just read all the odd chapters, then go back and read all the even chapters and it wouldn't impact the story in the slightest. Ther story which follows Zahariel is the more interesting of the two since it sheds a lot more light on the circumstances that eventually lead up to the Dark Angels on Caliban rebelling. The old lore just had chaos as the reasoning but this paints a much more interesting picture of people backed against the wall, trapped and betrayed. I see no hints of a sequel to Fallen Angels being planned so the two interleaved stories aspect of the book just feels wasted in the end since they don't interact with each other at all except to say "these things are happening simultaneously." I think Descent was better written with better prose but the Zahariel/Caliban story in Fallen was more interesting. I'm thinking about picking up Angels of Darkness next. Does anyone have any recommendations/warnings about this book or Deathwing?
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Deathwing is a reprint of a book from 20 or so years ago. The eponymous short story is by far the best Dark Angels fluff ever written. Obligatory "on Caliban".
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:"on Caliban". Holy poo poo that book. I legit thought people were joking about that before I read it, but I don't think it goes more than ten pages without those words at any point in the entire book, even after they leave  moments in the Horus Heresy series yet in the sequel book; Plug a Dreadnought into a siege engine and use his old body as a decoy as he uses his new body to bust through buildings? gently caress Yeah!
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The Saddest Robot posted:I started painting up some of the Dark Angels models I have and decided that I wanted to know a little bit more about their history, all I really knew was the general outline from their codex and all of the various elements of the chapter felt very thrown together and not cohesive as a whole -- especially how the native american visual elements clashed with the monastic elements and the whole situation with the Watchers in the Dark. Both Dark Angels books were loving terrible, The only decent part was the space combat fluff part in the second book. The rest felt like a ton of terrible loving fan fiction. This really bummed me out since Dark Angels are my favorite Chapter / Legion.
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Yeah, they could do some really cool stuff with DA, but it's almost like no one at GW or BL really knows where they want to go with them, so wheels spin, but nothing happens. I finished Fear to Tread last night. While it was alright, I wasn't enamored of the book, though I did like the exchanges between the Ka'Bandha and Kyris. "Shut up, sense-whore!" "Tee hee!"I totally found myself getting confused as to who the characters were, whether they were on the planet or in orbit. Eventually, I just gave up keeping track and just kind of went with it. It was nice to finally find out who/what the Red Angel is. I've been wondering ever since the HH Art Book that came out a few years back.
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Regarding "His Last Command" in the Gaunt series. I was a little disappointed that Abnett only gave us one story of the Ghosts mixed in with the 81st before giving Gaunt his in to regain command and reform the Ghosts. Wilder and his commissar were decent enough characters and it would have been nice to see things play out a little longer before the eventual handing over to Gaunt. I guess it is due to Abnett's habit of very quick resolutions. But it was nice to see the Gereon team coming to the realization that they weren't out on their own anymore, partly due to Kolea's becoming a commander and reminding them. And it would have been nice to see Rawne eat a pistol whipping for being a raging poo poo head.
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joneswt posted:Helsreach is awesome and has the best Titan combat since Titanicus, and the Talos Trilogy are the best books in the Black Library. If you like them, grab Cadian Blood and The Emperor's Gift. I really enjoyed the Titanicus novel, will maybe give that a look. Will look up some of the others too.
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Trast posted:Regarding "His Last Command" in the Gaunt series. Rawne is my favourite to be honest 
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Emnity posted:Rawne is my favourite to be honest He still needs a good pistol whipping. 
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Emnity posted:Rawne is my favourite to be honest
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Rawne is my favorite, followed by Hark when he's tormenting Ludd, especially that one line in Salvation's Reach.
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Anyone who doesn't like Larkin is a monster. Larks is pretty much the best ever.
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The best part in Honour Guard was when the chaos Baneblane shows up and a bunch of Ghosts freak out and run away. Hark goes to execute them for cowardice and Gaunt swats his gun down and says "that's a Baneblane you fething idiot". Good times.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Wraight chat: I expected bolter porn (didn't know anything about Wraight's writing) and I got a book that made the Iron Hands being complete assholes! It's great! I absolutely loved that one character arc was just about becoming an rear end in a top hat like everyone else.
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Regarding Armor of Contempt... Okay I can get Mkveener surviving the Chaos hit squads and becoming some half feral swamp lord with the Nightwalkers and remaking the Nalsheen. But on the other hand you'd think he'd be loyal enough to the Ghosts to show himself to Gaunt and Mkoll towards the end of the book. But Caffran's death really took the cake. Abnett reached nice and deep into the grim dark for that one.
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Trast posted:Regarding Armor of Contempt... Caffran's death is honestly one of the most brutal in the series. It's just so quick and unexpected. He was just trying to help that poor shell-shocked kid!
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At a certain point, when a Ghost dies in the most heart-wrenching way possible, you just chuckle to yourself while saying, "Abnett, you dick." I now read Gaunt's Ghosts books like one would watch a Final Destination movie, looking around to see how any few given plot elements will come together to murder one of the main characters in a hilariously random way.
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Olanphonia posted:Caffran's death is honestly one of the most brutal in the series. It's just so quick and unexpected. He was just trying to help that poor shell-shocked kid! I haven't got a real problem with from a writing perspective. It's quite plausible given it's a war zone and the amount of trauma that went on. Mechafunkzilla posted:At a certain point, when a Ghost dies in the most heart-wrenching way possible, you just chuckle to yourself while saying, "Abnett, you dick." Didn't someone in the thread mention seeing Abnett at a signing and say he enjoyed making all of his fanboys cry out in agony?
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I saw him at a signing a few years ago, had all the kiddies chanting 'My Armour is contempt!' and making wounded noises, so aye, he does a bit.
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Well, I have decided to do something that is incredibly lame, and probably very stupid, but I am going to do it anyway. I have decided to try my hand at writing Space Barbie fanfiction. I am mainly doing it to get myself back into the swing of writing normal fiction since I am a bit rusty, and I figure it will be fun. Anyway, I want your guys opinion on things that I should avoid doing that seems to be done a lot in BL books. Overuse of adverbs and other grammar issues is obvious, of course. Things like, "reading about combat is boring as hell when the author spends six pages describing every single action of a single marine fighting orks." is what I am looking for. Pretty much what I am asking for is for you to post every annoying thing that you can think of that authors do in BL books so that I can avoid doing that.
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Trast posted:Didn't someone in the thread mention seeing Abnett at a signing and say he enjoyed making all of his fanboys cry out in agony? I'm pretty sure it's more along the lines of if people complain and cry about characters dying then he knows he's done a good job of writing a character rather than some kind of malicious intent. Fellblade fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Oct 1, 2012 |
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Fellblade posted:I'm pretty sure it's more along the lines of if people complain and cry about characters dying then he knows he's done a good job of writing a character rather than some kind of malicious intent. I meant it not as malicious but more as how Goons love a good joke kind of thing.
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jadebullet posted:Well, I have decided to do something that is incredibly lame, and probably very stupid, but I am going to do it anyway. I have decided to try my hand at writing Space Barbie fanfiction. I am mainly doing it to get myself back into the swing of writing normal fiction since I am a bit rusty, and I figure it will be fun. Read Henry Zou's stuff and then don't do that. Make sure all your badass heroes are badass. Have them all die at the end to make it suitably grimdark and to avoid Mary Sue nonsense.
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