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I've only started watching the show like a week ago and it's really great. Thanks for all your efforts in translating this. I watched the Street Fighter II episode first and wondered why it was so engaging to watch a guy do 5000 yoga flames in a row, but now I know. I almost wanted to skip the Zelda III episode, but I watched it yesterday and it's awesome. Gotta love Arino's interesting takes on some of the puzzles (like trying to capture the old guy in a bottle) his trademark getting stuck ridiculously long on sections that aren't that difficult, and of course the "great-moshi-moshi-tactics"-section or whatever it's called. The best part was the ending, of course 
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Oct 3, 2012 10:34
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Myron posted:I've only started watching the show like a week ago and it's really great. Thanks for all your efforts in translating this.  It's actually a good thing you watched the Zelda 3 episode as one of your first episodes, because IIRC, it's generally considered a pretty weak episode due to how much of the challenge got cut out for time. SF2 was really good, but I still kinda hate how they counted it as a failure after Arino lost the staff tournament despite the fact that he got to the end of the story mode.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:52
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Oh hey, we're doing SAGCCX 3DS codes again! I'll add everyone who's posted theirs so far. I have every Swapnote stationery if anyone is missing any and want certain ones. 2449-4791-2612 Also, I wanna take this time to thank you all once again for the awesome work you guys do! I got my DVD last night and couldn't be happier with my purchase! Everything about it is so great!
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Oct 3, 2012 13:09
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Mister Chief posted:Did you find a solution to this yet? Ripping the video is easy enough, especially since the discs aren't even encrypted with CSS. The subtitles are a bit more effort. I think I'm close, and when I sort it out, I'll put together some tips or something. Edit: Yep, I think I've got it. xamphear fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Oct 3, 2012 13:28
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zari-gani posted:The Comix Zone ep, Retro Read-Aloud and the DVD coming out reminded me that someone here a while back asked if I translate in-game text, or use the localized text (if it does exist). To add to this there were some lines in the Koei episode where for a few of the games zari-gani wasn't familiar with the localized versions and I changed the text to reflect that. One of these was extremely close to what zari-gani had but was more awkwardly phrased (probably for the sake of the limited character set). The other of those games has a very rabid fan base that I've stepped on in the past and they can consider that change amends even though zari-gani's version made more sense. Both of these were in the collection segment so I felt relatively safe bringing them in line to the US version.
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Oct 3, 2012 14:46
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Obeast posted:Welcome to our little club. Yeah, that's why I wanted to skip it, you can't really cut Zelda 3 to less than an hour without leaving out too much, but the rest of the episode was great and I know Zelda 3 in and out anyway so it wasn't so bad. It's also interesting to watch him struggle through the same sections that I had trouble with as a kid.
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Oct 3, 2012 15:13
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It's arrived at work! While watching the extras to get myself ready! We're going to watch some at lunch - thanks so much!!
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Oct 3, 2012 15:41
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Well my DVD came yesterday, but before I actually got it out of my mailbox a person driving to fast missed the turn I live on and ran over my mailbox and ended up in the ditch. Nobody got hurt but I guess I need to order another copy.
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Your way works too posted:Well my DVD came yesterday, but before I actually got it out of my mailbox a person driving to fast missed the turn I live on and ran over my mailbox and ended up in the ditch. Nobody got hurt but I guess I need to order another copy. Sounds like someone didn't take the time to get the good navigator in Paris-Dakar Rally.
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Everyone who's gotten the DVDs so far, I'm eager to hear your opinions on it. How does it feel watching it? Does it pretty much feel like an SAGCCX release or is it a different experience? Does it do the show justice?Random Stranger posted:To add to this there were some lines in the Koei episode where for a few of the games zari-gani wasn't familiar with the localized versions and I changed the text to reflect that. One of these was extremely close to what zari-gani had but was more awkwardly phrased (probably for the sake of the limited character set). The other of those games has a very rabid fan base that I've stepped on in the past and they can consider that change amends even though zari-gani's version made more sense. Both of these were in the collection segment so I felt relatively safe bringing them in line to the US version. Now I'm interested in hearing what games and the sordid history you've had with the fandom 
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zari-gani posted:Everyone who's gotten the DVDs so far, I'm eager to hear your opinions on it. How does it feel watching it? Does it pretty much feel like an SAGCCX release or is it a different experience? Does it do the show justice? Anyone who has a "problem" with this release is doing themselves a huge disservice by avoiding it. The whole set is almost too good to be true when viewed in the right light. It's legitimatized SAGCCX releases we can buy and support not only Arino and the show, but your translation efforts as well.
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Oct 3, 2012 18:21
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xamphear posted:It feels exactly like an SAGCCX release. It's almost uncanny. Awesome. What about the translation of on-screen text and in-game text? I know that due to technical limitations they can't do overlays...
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zari-gani posted:Everyone who's gotten the DVDs so far, I'm eager to hear your opinions on it. How does it feel watching it? Does it pretty much feel like an SAGCCX release or is it a different experience? Does it do the show justice? The good: First off, the translation is clearly a lot better. Without even comparing accuracy (which I can't since I only know how to say "Why Game Over Mountain Baton Touch!" in Japanese), you can tell that the subtitles are written by someone who understands videogames and their terminology. So they don't read as awkwardly. Secondly, a lot of care has been taken with this set. They restored the segments with the royal family, the on-screen text was translated, and it's a really high quality release. Overall, it feels like you did a really good job and made a lot of good decisions. I have some suggestions, but obviously, these are something for other people to deal with: Episode listings! I know this isn't your department, but seriously. Why didn't they put a listing of which episodes were on which discs? Especially since this is a show that you can pick and choose from, it would have been nice to know, for instance, that five episodes were on disc 1, so that way, when I tried to show my friend the Clock Tower episode, I wouldn't have to put in two discs. If it's possible - try to replicate the overlays that the SA-team does for their fansubs. It helps keep the screen from getting cluttered with text on top of text, even if it is in a different language. A perfect example is the screen that explains who the boss are and what their attacks are. The subtitle for what the Queen is saying is white text placed on top of white Japanese text, which makes it a little harder to read. It would look a lot nicer if they just did an overlay which replaced it with an overlay. I understand though that they might not be able to do it. They might be forbidden from doing any kind of editing or touching up on the video, or what have you. But it would have been nice. And the packaging: I like the graphic design, it's just the way the discs are laid out. First off, this is just me, but I hate disc-on-disc layering systems. It makes me feel like I'm going to scratch the discs, and then when you want the disc underneath, you have to take out even more discs! Secondly, given that the packaging is a fat DVD case, it would seem to make more sense to have trays on hinges, like other sets. Really, these last two points are nitpicking, but I think it's something they should keep in mind. Because the nitpickers are the ones who make society run!
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Oct 3, 2012 18:28
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zari-gani posted:Awesome. What about the translation of on-screen text and in-game text? I know that due to technical limitations they can't do overlays... The lack of overlays never gets in the way of enjoying the episode. It's as simple as that. Are overlays awesome to have when downloading the encodes that Random Stranger and Gutcruncher (et. al.) produce? Totally, and that attention to detail and dedication never goes unappreciated. But the show is entirely worth watching even without having every word of on-screen text translated and overlaid (with a few exceptions for really text-heavy games).
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Oct 3, 2012 19:25
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Just for reference, DVDs can do overlays. I have a copy of 'Ghostbusters' on DVD that has a director's commentary mode with MST3K-style heads of the people commenting. I don't know the technical details, though, except that the subtitles are image overlays instead of text. (In AVISynth, you'd overlay them with VobSub instead of TextSub.) Not that I expect this to diminish my enjoyment of the DVDs when I get them! (My shipment was slightly delayed because they tried to pull the money out of my account a day before it was actually there.)
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Oct 3, 2012 19:56
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ADV's second release of Nadesico did it too. But I imagine that's a right pain in the arse and probably not worth the extra amount of money the subtitle encoder would be wanting for doing so. As for me, yeah, I really like the disks, Kinda annoyed there's no TV Opening (You'd figure that'd at least be an extra or something) but it's about a million times better than KOTAK ever did for the series.
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FredMSloniker posted:Just for reference, DVDs can do overlays. I have a copy of 'Ghostbusters' on DVD that has a director's commentary mode with MST3K-style heads of the people commenting. I don't know the technical details, though, except that the subtitles are image overlays instead of text. (In AVISynth, you'd overlay them with VobSub instead of TextSub.) DVD subtitles can only be images, the format doesn't support anything else. Only way to do what you describe would be creative use of multi-angle, probably? That would produce other issues though
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Oct 3, 2012 20:45
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A DVD has two options when it comes to text overlays. 1) DVD subtitles are actually 4 color, full-screen "subpictures" that are placed over the video image. With clever execution you can implement serviceable, albeit blocky overlays in the subtitle track itself. 2) Alternate "angles". Originally envisioned as allowing the user to interactively switch between camera angles in a scene, this DVD feature is more frequently put to use to automatically and seamlessly insert the foreign language versions of shots (title cards, writing on screen, place names, credits, etc) when different languages are selected from the main menu. This requires more complex dvd authoring and pre-rendered versions of all the alternate shots to be inserted. Nill fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Oct 3, 2012 20:51
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My DVD just arrived! It pretty much IS just like the SAGCCX releases! My only complaint is that whenever I italicized game titles and such, the entire line ended up being italicized. Ah well. Something to keep in mind if there ever is a second set released. Also it is super fascinating comparing the episodes that now have three different translations of three completely different styles.   (Ignore the "Merry Christmas" line -- that's a stray from the translation of the whiteboard text shown right before this scene. Arino doodled a character saying "Merry Christmas.") 
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Oct 3, 2012 20:53
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I got my DVDs today! Looks great, sounds great, very pleased with the whole thing. Congrats to those that worked so hard on making this as good as possible! Keep up the good work!
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Oct 3, 2012 21:14
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Nill posted:A DVD has two options when it comes to text overlays.
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Should we change to “fireball” or stick with the original “barn?” rdbbb fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Oct 3, 2012 21:18
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rdbbb posted:Should we change to “fireball” or stick with the original “barn?” That confused the hell out of me, specifically the part where they thought "barn" was a pun on the Japanese word for "fireball." What?
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Oct 3, 2012 21:20
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Those comparisons are a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I say TV-N's translations are grossly inaccurate. Even in the third comparison, with the sentence text right there written on screen, spelled out plain as day, they still can't get it right. It's downright embarrassing.
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Oct 3, 2012 21:27
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I'm slightly more surprised how close KOTAK got to what was actually being said. It really speaks to how they got the dood to talk that made everyone think it was a mess. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Oct 3, 2012 22:06
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Thanks to this thread my new pet peeve is when "tension" isn't translated as "energy".
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Oct 3, 2012 22:06
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My DVDs shipped out today. Gonna get stupid drunk and marathon them this weekend. That is all.
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Hokuto posted:Those comparisons are a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I say TV-N's translations are grossly inaccurate. Even in the third comparison, with the sentence text right there written on screen, spelled out plain as day, they still can't get it right. It's downright embarrassing. I'm more confused by the first row. How did TVN get "This sure requires technique" while the other two talk about getting sick? Did they just guess at what was being said? I have to wait until Tuesday for my DVDs.  I'm jealous of you guys.
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Oct 3, 2012 22:55
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 This time out we've got one of the greatest of all the missing arcade trips. In episode 29's segments Arino goes to one of the strangest arcades that he has visited. I kind of want to check this place out Download torrent81 (1 files; 58.71 MB) View torrent stats Direct Download zari-gani posted:Now I'm interested in hearing what games and the sordid history you've had with the fandom It's a game I don't like at all, I never hear anyone talking about, but apparently if you make some public statement about how terrible it was then you'll get a few hundred e-mails telling you what a monster you are. ConanThe3rd posted:I'm slightly more surprised how close KOTAK got to what was actually being said. I'm not. Clearly they hired people who knew Japanese (or at least some people who did). The real problem there, for me at least, is that the translation is incredibly stiff. You don't have to be just like us but that just reads awkwardly... Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Oct 3, 2012 23:00
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So, the DVD subbers were going to put Barn instead of Fireball? huhwhat? Now, I don't know Japanese. I assume some people do in here, so I have a question kinda pertaining to this. What is the Japanese words for Barn and Fireball? Preferably written in English letters if possible, what with the inability to read Japanese characters
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JetGrind posted:So, the DVD subbers were going to put Barn instead of Fireball? huhwhat? Now, I don't know Japanese. I assume some people do in here, so I have a question kinda pertaining to this. What is the Japanese words for Barn and Fireball? Preferably written in English letters if possible, what with the inability to read Japanese characters Ray and I were referring to this, from the company who did subs for the Kotaku episodes: http://spiegelman.tumblr.com/post/6628599218/a-note-from-the-retro-game-master-translators The flames in Solomon's Key are called Burn. baan = burn. Baan can also be interpreted as "barn," except the English word for barn is never used in Japanese and it's more natural to assume its "burn" since they're talking about the fire in the game (but from what I've seen, my guess is a lot of the translation was done straight off the Japanese transcripts and without watching the videos). Incidentally, TVN correctly used Burn. Barn in Japanese: naya Fireball in Japanese: hi no tama, or honoo (flame) ??? Random Stranger posted:It's a game I don't like at all, I never hear anyone talking about, but apparently if you make some public statement about how terrible it was then you'll get a few hundred e-mails telling you what a monster you are. I never knew Koei had such hardcore fans... Silly Voodoo posted:I'm more confused by the first row. How did TVN get "This sure requires technique" while the other two talk about getting sick? Did they just guess at what was being said? Yes, it's guesswork. I'd like to point out again that some of these episodes are extended director's cuts. So even if you've already watched our subs for them, it's worth re-watching for the extra scenes!  Unless you've already watched them on Kotaku. In that case, watch them again! zari-gani fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Oct 3, 2012 23:12
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I got something in the mail today... It's Heiankyo Alien for the Game Boy!  Oh, and the GCCX DVD's arrived. I kind of want to watch them now but it has to wait until Friday for me...
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Oct 3, 2012 23:17
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Whoa, cool! That small arcade has a Getaway pinball machine in it. And the game Arino plays with the owner is an old Gottlieb table too. Pinball seems to not be much of a thing in Japan, I'm kind of surprised some of the arcades in Tamage have pinball. Zeether fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Oct 3, 2012 |
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Random Stranger posted:It's a game I don't like at all, I never hear anyone talking about, but apparently if you make some public statement about how terrible it was then you'll get a few hundred e-mails telling you what a monster you are. Thats cool, but it would be cooler if you said what it was.
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zari-gani posted:Also it is super fascinating comparing the episodes that now have three different translations of three completely different styles. It's like the Game Center CX version of Rashomon: "No, that's not what he said!" But yeah, the Kotaku versions just look like they are written artlessly by someone who has no understanding of videogames, which is why you get the very stiff translations with the weird word usage.
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Meme Emulator posted:Thats cool, but it would be cooler if you said what it was. He's obviously afraid goons make up a huge portion of the rabid fanbase he describes. Seriously though, quit walking on egg shells, it's a bit annoying.
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I wrote this thing on Game Center for my personal blog and I thought you guys might appreciate it. It's just some rambling but maybe you'll enjoy it. I just tried to nail down the appeal of Game Center CX in a few paragraphs that I can try to point my friends at when I try to explain to them why they should watch it. I probably could have written more and I still want to, I just wanted to get this out there in the first place.
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Got my copy of RGM/GCCX Collection today. Haven't watched any episodes yet as I just got off work, but I flipped the cover and noticed details on Z-G's art that I hadn't noticed before... like the name written on the back of the game cartridge.
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