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 I have taken the liberty to create a map of who owns what line. B&B- Bridgefield & Balkany NCL- Nutmeg Coast Line NDS- New Dublin-Salvation RR K&W- Killingham & Wincester DB&O- Deep Bend & Oliver NS&W - New Sanctum & Waterbridge GNU RR - Greater Nutmeg & Union RR HWFR - Hartshire & West Fukov Railway WN - Waterbridge Northern NCNS&S - New Cork, New Sanctum & Salvation RR H&F - Hartshire & Fairport I also merged Opal25's line into the NCNS&S but he negotiated enough for it to buy himself a fairly palatial house in Oliver. Thats opposed to the former owners of the OVER who were forced to sell their lands to pay for the debt and now live in a shabby cottage in Opiantic. The drug-crazed father and former patriarch is in the state mental institution in West Sanctum. As far as Hartshire is concerned, I still am lobbying for a grassy median for the ring road for future tram lines. Ron Pauls Friend fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Oct 5, 2012 |
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Koesj posted:gently caress Photoshop. If the scale bridge wise etc is to ambitious at the moment the initial proposal from Koesj would probably be the best one to work from. It only has one additional road bridge and the existing rail bridge is used for the full link up. That said I don't think the rail head he has removed is likely to be since it most likely serves local industry and warehouses. Where is the port btw? I still think it would be nice if we found some economical way of getting the tram extended across the BFR. Munin fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 5, 2012 |
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Ron Pauls Friend posted:
Wow, great job. That was too many acronyms to memorize, even for me! For the grassy median and ring road, that's more of an Old World thing; they were typically created when old city walls were torn down. That's where the word Boulevard comes from - the old Dutch term Bolwerk, meaning Bulwark. There's no precedent for that here in Nutmeg. Munin posted:If the scale bridge wise etc is to ambitious at the moment the initial proposal from Koesj would probably be the best one to work from. It only has one additional road bridge and the existing rail bridge is used for the full link up. That said I don't think the rail head he has removed is likely to be since it most likely serves local industry and warehouses. Where is the port btw? I've got no problem with more road bridges, and one more RR bridge along the bend east of Hartshire. The port is along the entire southern end of the city; it's rather extensive, but is most concentrated around the oldest part of the city, just east of the river branch. Cutting out a few wharfs isn't a big deal, as there are so many more to replace them. Cichlidae fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 5, 2012 |
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Cichlidae posted:For the grassy median and ring road, that's more of an Old World thing; they were typically created when old city walls were torn down. That's where the word Boulevard comes from - the old Dutch term Bolwerk, meaning Bulwark. There's no precedent for that here in Nutmeg. Man we only gave up most of our our Bolwerken with the passing of the (no more) fortification law of 1874 so even if the French stole the word they ran with it way before the Dutch and made stuff happen. Of course here in Groningen they parceled out the land to industries, the hospital, mansions and docks so there was to be no efficient ring road around the city center. To 'remedy' this, the city council zoned four lane thoroughfares right through the medieval core and the 19th century neighborhoods around it, my house being situated smack in the middle of a planned signalled intersection. Unfortunately the labor party took over and canned those plans so now 57% of traffic movements inside the city are done by bike. Our progress   Can we please get some more cars in here? TYVM
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Who the hell designed that interchange in the lower left?! Did you guys let Escher into the drafting room again?
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Koesj posted:Man we only gave up most of our our Bolwerken with the passing of the (no more) fortification law of 1874 so even if the French stole the word they ran with it way before the Dutch and made stuff happen. Of course here in Groningen they parceled out the land to industries, the hospital, mansions and docks so there was to be no efficient ring road around the city center. You... you want more cars? 
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Hedera Helix posted:You... you want more cars? Pave over our monumental city center, stat. Jeoh posted:Koesj, tell us more about the tramline plans in Groningen It's a mess! Coalition parties pulled the plug on the entire council because they couldn't support tram plans which were 'too much of a financial burden during these difficult times' or whatever. I've given up on trying to make sense of all of it. On a micro level ridership numbers on the two buslines towards the campus are high enough to justify some kind of LRT solution I guess but the problem is always the nitty gritty on how to implement said solution. Keywords: gently caress you got mine not in our city street they'll have to fill in half the canal system gauntlet track heavy rail right on top of market square translohr earmarks leftist agenda flatscreen TVs for the poor YES WE TRAM. On a darker note, if I'd ever had to ram through a massive freeway widening I'd make sure it'd be proposed around the same time as the reintroduction of LRT to deflect all attention. Not that I'm against that particular project by the way:  
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Cichlidae posted:I've got no problem with more road bridges, and one more RR bridge along the bend east of Hartshire. The port is along the entire southern end of the city; it's rather extensive, but is most concentrated around the oldest part of the city, just east of the river branch. Cutting out a few wharfs isn't a big deal, as there are so many more to replace them. Kk. Would it be actually possible to take the tram across the water or is that essentially a no go? That's something that would definitely aid the cross water hookup in this period. Also, looking at that detailed map sorting out Sanctum is going to be a nightmare.
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The NCNS&S approaches the GNU RR about a merger. In exchange for fantasy money, the railroad offers to move its offices to New Sanctum and change its name to the New Cork, New sanctum,& Hartshire Railroad. Edit: fixed the list Ron Pauls Friend fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Oct 5, 2012 |
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Ron Pauls Friend posted:
The Hartford & Fairport isn't listed in your index  Koesj posted:YES WE TRAM. 
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Oct 5, 2012 16:49
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Still waiting for the Nutmeg Quarry Shortline 
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In actual traffic engineering news, I just saw this novel conceptquote:a new speed detection system has been installed to slow down drivers near a school. Here's how it works: the traffic light is always red until a vehicle nears, but if a car is traveling faster than 45 miles per hour, the light will stay red--otherwise it will turn green (if no other vehicle is approaching) http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/10/long_beach_light_stays_red_until_you_slow_your_ass_down.php
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Mandalay posted:In actual traffic engineering news, I just saw this novel concept quote:Novel approach, but Streetsblog brings up this concern: "The problem arises when drivers reach a habit that they will expect immediate results if they traveling at a legal speed. However, if another approaching car was granted green first, drivers may simply run a red light, thereby increasing the number of crashes.
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In other news, a bicyclist was killed in Chicago today. In a narrow bike lane, they swerved out of the way of an opening door and into the path of a semi truck. A stark reminder of the problems with unprotected bike lanes. http://www.wbez.org/blogs/bez/2012-10/cyclist-killed-near-north-side-should-all-bike-lanes-be-protected-102934
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Is there a specific law about opening car doors into bike lanes? If not there should be some huge fine/ticket for not doing a shoulder check before opening your door. Have some cops do periodic enforcement along bike lanes handing out fat tickets. Just sit there watching people get out of their cars and if they don't obviously look behind them before opening the door they get a huge ticket, and maybe their door seized. Actually that might work, door seizures.
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Oct 5, 2012 18:49
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In Missouri, it is only legal to open your door when it is safe to do so, and only legal to leave it open for the shortest period of time required to perform whatever action required opening the door.
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Baronjutter posted:Is there a specific law about opening car doors into bike lanes? If not there should be some huge fine/ticket for not doing a shoulder check before opening your door. Have some cops do periodic enforcement along bike lanes handing out fat tickets. Just sit there watching people get out of their cars and if they don't obviously look behind them before opening the door they get a huge ticket, and maybe their door seized. Actually that might work, door seizures. What about when the dude on the bike is either obscured behind some car passing on a side street, or is actually around the corner when you look? Anyway if you open a door into somebody or right in front of them and it hurts them that's generally covered by generic laws about hurting people.
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From a dollars-per-death perspective, isn't it safer to have bikes on the sidewalk?
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Install Gentoo posted:Anyway if you open a door into somebody or right in front of them and it hurts them that's generally covered by generic laws about hurting people. There's no "generic laws about hurting people" - you have to prove negligence or intent first. If there's no specific laws about checking before opening your door that's probably pretty tricky.
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Jonnty posted:There's no "generic laws about hurting people" - you have to prove negligence or intent first. If there's no specific laws about checking before opening your door that's probably pretty tricky. What I mean is it's like if someone gets hurt from you leaving a bowling ball in the sidewalk or accidentally running into them on foot. There's no specific laws about each way, but you can get sued and you can in some cases face criminal charges. Mandalay posted:From a dollars-per-death perspective, isn't it safer to have bikes on the sidewalk? If there's lots of people on the sidewalk hell no.
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Knockknees posted:In other news, a bicyclist was killed in Chicago today. In a narrow bike lane, they swerved out of the way of an opening door and into the path of a semi truck. A stark reminder of the problems with unprotected bike lanes. And this is why you place the bike lane between the sidewalk and the car lanes/parking area, and grade separate them. The only business a car should have right of the left edge of the bike lane should be entering/leaving a side street or building. (Also, the game seems to be pretty popular so it might be time to make it a separate thread. Also to make it more visible!)
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Install Gentoo posted:If there's lots of people on the sidewalk hell no. Has this ever been studied?
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Install Gentoo posted:What I mean is it's like if someone gets hurt from you leaving a bowling ball in the sidewalk or accidentally running into them on foot. There's no specific laws about each way, but you can get sued and you can in some cases face criminal charges. Only if they were being negligent though. If bump into a lamppost I can't sue the council - if I trip over one that's fallen over and hasn't been dealt with for a week I probably can. Proving that when there's no legal duty to check before opening your door is likely to be more
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Mandalay posted:Has this ever been studied? I can't find it right now but I have seen an analysis of accident records that showed that riding on the sidewalk is much more dangerous, even without pedestrians. The biggest problem, I think, is that drivers would have to treat intersections with sidewalks like any other intersection, and they don't check for vehicles moving faster than pedestrians every time they pull out of a driveway. On that note, I have an ignorant cop story: I was harassed in Providence once by a cop for biking on the road. "What are you doing? When I was a kid we rode bikes on the sidewalk. " " I thought I was supposed to ride on the road, by law... " "Are you talking back to me? " " No, I'm sorry officer. " moves onto sidewalk
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Riding on the sidewalk is even more dangerous if there are sections lacking curb cuts. So it's best to know ahead of time where they are, if you're going to be riding on the sidewalk of a busy street that doesn't have any nearby bike routes or lower-traffic streets.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:"What are you doing? When I was a kid we rode bikes on the sidewalk. " Let him treat you like his bitch and he'll keep acting like you're his bitch. Just tell him "No, I'm talking to you, answering the question you asked me as part of our conversation about the proper place to ride a bicycle." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Chaos Motor posted:Let him treat you like his bitch and he'll keep acting like you're his bitch. Just tell him "No, I'm talking to you, answering the question you asked me as part of our conversation about the proper place to ride a bicycle." And then he issues you a ticket which you have to go to court to prove is for an offense that DOESN'T EXIST, wasting your time both now and in the future.
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Baronjutter posted:Still waiting for the Nutmeg Quarry Shortline I haven't forgotten! It's the first thing that'll get built in 1870, I promise. Mandalay posted:In actual traffic engineering news, I just saw this novel concept Very interested in seeing the long-term results for that. It's not even a speed detector, per se, it's just a detector setback mixed with the signal resting on red. Super low tech. Oh, it's in Long Beach? I'll be down there in a couple weeks; might give it a shot! Knockknees posted:In other news, a bicyclist was killed in Chicago today. In a narrow bike lane, they swerved out of the way of an opening door and into the path of a semi truck. A stark reminder of the problems with unprotected bike lanes. Unfortunately, that's still the most common model, and it's incredibly hard to remove on-street parking. This kind of crash isn't going away any time soon. nielsm posted:And this is why you place the bike lane between the sidewalk and the car lanes/parking area, and grade separate them. That's a great design, if you have the room for it. Around here, all of the utilities are stacked between the sidewalk and curb, so we'd have to move all those. On top of that, that strip is the snow shelf; get rid of it, and you're just plowing snow all over the sidewalk. nielsm posted:(Also, the game seems to be pretty popular so it might be time to make it a separate thread. Also to make it more visible!) I still want to finish a full trial run in this thread so I can work out all the kinks. Speaking of the game, it's time for an update.
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Volmarias posted:And then he issues you a ticket which you have to go to court to prove is for an offense that DOESN'T EXIST, wasting your time both now and in the future. So act like his bitch and get treated like one, it's up to you! Seriously, stop being afraid of people and their perceived "power" will evaporate before your eyes.
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Cichlidae posted:That's a great design, if you have the room for it. Around here, all of the utilities are stacked between the sidewalk and curb, so we'd have to move all those. On top of that, that strip is the snow shelf; get rid of it, and you're just plowing snow all over the sidewalk. Eh, it can fit in pretty narrow spaces. This road is one of the important ways into central Copenhagen, even. Everything is quite narrow, you can barely walk two people side by side and overtaking someone on bike takes a bit of dexterity to not drive off the curb. The car lanes are also quite narrow, having to constantly chicane (?) to make room for bus stops and more. There is even a slight bit of on-street parking, but as I recall it's strictly time limited. (If you need to park you find a space on a side street.) Snow plowing isn't actually done, as far as I know, since it's barely needed: The traffic is too heavy, and even then it is also salted in the winter. One more thing to note about the bike lanes on that road: Originally there wasn't one, and they didn't change the grade of neither car lanes nor sidewalks when the bike lanes were built. Instead, the bike lanes are raised towards the car-lane-side curb and slope slightly across. It's not a nuisance when biking, but it creates the important effect of grade separation.
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nielsm posted:Eh, it can fit in pretty narrow spaces. This road is one of the important ways into central Copenhagen, even. Everything is quite narrow, you can barely walk two people side by side and overtaking someone on bike takes a bit of dexterity to not drive off the curb. Unfortunately, we would run into legal problems making a curbed bike lane less than 5 feet (1.5m) wide. Our design standards are much more demanding than they need to be. ----- So let's see Hartshire's new look!   You've got two stations now (the Oliver line station is now just an industrial stub). There is an added rail/road/tram bridge, nice and wide, which should provide ample access to East Hartshire, as well as newly widened bridges to the east of the city. The tram track has two new lines, as well. In an hour or so, I'll post the New Sanctum map. You guys are going to have fun trying to fix that one without railroad bridges...
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Baronjutter posted:What's the scale on that map? Some of those turnouts look a bit on the tight side C'mon, don't go crazy over the small stuff. The radius is plenty for low-speed trains, like the kind that are about to go over a large bridge or into a station.
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quote: Stockholm central station. It only has two tracks southbound, which has to fit commuter train, regional trains and express trains, and it's a terrible bottleneck. They're working on a new train tunnel for the commuter traffic, though. (The northbound line is not as bad, but AFAIK the traffic on that isn't as important either.) Edit: The construction north of our central station somewhat reminds me of Bristol Temple Meads, but that yard area saves it. ... when I get access to my regular PC again I might try reconstructing the area in Train Simulator/Railworks. nielsm fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Oct 5, 2012 |
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Cichlidae posted:C'mon, don't go crazy over the small stuff. The radius is plenty for low-speed trains, like the kind that are about to go over a large bridge or into a station. Oh what next you'll tell me to stop making my diagram showing how the signalling system works?
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Baronjutter posted:Oh what next you'll tell me to stop making my diagram showing how the signalling system works? I'm going to be very disappointed if your system doesn't entirely consist of a single man on a watchtower holding a megaphone and a lantern.
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What's the tallest tower and brightest light we could build in this timeframe? Imagine the great lighthouse, but for signalling trains.
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Now, let's fix New Sanctum! Here is the city, as it currently appears.   https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByQzqtNM0WuFVzdwMG5vV3NHR1E The color scheme is exactly the same. You will certainly notice that there are four rail stations - two on each side of the river. You will also notice Nutmeg's most prestigious university, Gale College, situated around its famous Quadrangle. You're nuts if you think any of that is getting bulldozed. So, what are our goals this time around? 1) Improve rail connectivity and coherence! 2) Improve access to New Sanctum's southernmost industrial area! 3) Maintain as much of the existing city as possible! Let me know if you have any questions, and otherwise, do your best for Nutmeg, and for the Nation!
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Cichlidae posted:Now, let's fix New Sanctum! You mentioned that we can't create a railroad bridge across the BFR here?
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