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a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

jadebullet posted:

Well, I have decided to do something that is incredibly lame, and probably very stupid, but I am going to do it anyway. I have decided to try my hand at writing Space Barbie fanfiction. I am mainly doing it to get myself back into the swing of writing normal fiction since I am a bit rusty, and I figure it will be fun.


Anyway, I want your guys opinion on things that I should avoid doing that seems to be done a lot in BL books. Overuse of adverbs and other grammar issues is obvious, of course. Things like, "reading about combat is boring as hell when the author spends six pages describing every single action of a single marine fighting orks." is what I am looking for.

Pretty much what I am asking for is for you to post every annoying thing that you can think of that authors do in BL books so that I can avoid doing that.

Well if you think you're good enough (hahahahah) then Black Library actually have a segment of the year when they take open submissions for short stories and (rarely) novels. Go for it. In a video blog Abnett actually says that BL are trying to move into different types of story, like in Atlas Infernal or 40k's first ever plausible romance in the Night Lords books, so don't be afraid to try something new!

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OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Mowglis Haircut posted:

Well if you think you're good enough (hahahahah) then Black Library actually have a segment of the year when they take open submissions for short stories and (rarely) novels. Go for it. In a video blog Abnett actually says that BL are trying to move into different types of story, like in Atlas Infernal or 40k's first ever plausible romance in the Night Lords books, so don't be afraid to try something new!

Clearly, he should do a teen coming-of-age romance/comedy. With orks.

Big Willy Style
Feb 11, 2007

How many Astartes do you know that roll like this?

Cream_Filling posted:

Clearly, he should do a teen coming-of-age romance/comedy. With orks.

This has been done already. Space Marine by Ian Watson. Sadly, it focuses on the Imperial Fists and not orks.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Big Willy Style posted:

This has been done already. Space Marine by Ian Watson. Sadly, it focuses on the Imperial Fists and not orks.

Yeah but that was written in like the 80s. Kids these days like beautiful vampires.

So Blood Angels, I guess.

Or else madcap hijinks at the Schola Progenium.

Cat Planet
Jun 26, 2010

:420: :catdrugs: :420:

Cream_Filling posted:

Or else madcap hijinks at the Schola Progenium.

Ciaphas Cain: the early years :allears:

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Cream_Filling posted:

Clearly, he should do a teen coming-of-age romance/comedy. With orks.

How da WarBoss met 'is Mekboy.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Now, Black Library has no qualms about blatent plagiarism correct? I mean, Zho got his poo poo published, and it is still promoted despite plagiarism.

I think I will write a story about a young Commissar, who's parents are killed by a great and powerful chaos sorcerer but is unable to kill him as a baby due to a failed perils of the warp test. Anyway, he is sent to live with his moisture farming aunt and uncle, who don't treat him too nicely. Then, when he is 10 years old, they administratum realizes they misfiled some paperwork or something, and they forcively send him off to the magical Schola Progenium on planet Bogerts. There, he makes friends, and has zany adventures, all while learning fun abilities like executing cowards. But sinister things are happening in the Warp. The evil sorcerer is gathering strenght, biding his time until he can finally kill the young commissar in training. Why? Because he has demonically mutated OCD.

I shall call it, Horatio Pyter.



In all seriousness though. I am just writing Space Marine stuff, but I have plans that are interesting and a bit different from the normal "He kicked the ork in the face with his foot hard. Bits of bone flew spirally out of his face and went spiraling away leaving spirals in the dust as they spun... in a spiraling motion. The continued his own spiraling motion with a spiraling roundhouse kick that caused the next ork to spiral to the floor."

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

VanSandman posted:

How da WarBoss met 'is Mekboy.

Odd one out. Memoirs of a Weirdboy.

The riveting story of a fungus struggling to fit in among others his age.

"A coming of age story for the ages" -NY Post

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Fifty Shades a' Red

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

jadebullet posted:

Fifty Shades a' Red

Is that the one where a young, innocent Boy on his first Waaagh meets a seductive, dangerous Chaos Marine named Kharn?

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

jadebullet posted:

Fifty Shades a' Red

The Seven Year WAAAAAAAAUGH!
What Wierdboys Want
Must Love Squigs

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
Eat, Pray, Purge the Unclean

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
A Tale of Tomb Cities.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Ta krump a mockin'squig

The Southern Dandy
Jun 15, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT MY RADLEY-WALTERS' MEDAL

Is that medal for being the most intolerable poster in a thread about Warhammer 40.000 novels? Because if it is, you sure blew the competition out of the water, son.
How Gorgutz Got His Gunz Back

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].

:edi:

The Southern Dandy posted:

How Gorgutz Got His Gunz Back

I think we have a winner.

Shroud
May 11, 2009
The Old Man and the Sea of Souls

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!
Twelve Angry Orks.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
The Catcher in the Eye.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
Something Funny Happened on the Way to the WAAAGH!

Nephilm
Jun 11, 2009

by Lowtax
To Kill an Ogryn.

Shroud
May 11, 2009
One Flew Over the Sniper's Nest

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Gone with the WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Why are you all even bothering? The Southern Dandy clearly won the thread.

Trast posted:

Didn't someone in the thread mention seeing Abnett at a signing and say he enjoyed making all of his fanboys cry out in agony?
I extrapolated from his response. He actually seemed pretty cool and I wish that I was less star struck and had more time to chat instead of just being stuck in a queue with hundreds of other fanboys.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
So I am wondering if the Abnett quote of "The next time I need a galaxy burned, I'm calling Zho" on Emperor's Mercy is actually a sarcastic comment.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

jadebullet posted:

So I am wondering if the Abnett quote of "The next time I need a galaxy burned, I'm calling Zho" on Emperor's Mercy is actually a sarcastic comment.

I would bet cash money that they paid him to say that.

Though I will say that Blood Gorgons wasn't completely awful (Emperor's Mercy was)

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
I'm about halfway through the first novella in Shadows of Treachery. It's quite readable! I think it's John French's first Black Library thing so that's encouraging.

The Southern Dandy
Jun 15, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT MY RADLEY-WALTERS' MEDAL

Is that medal for being the most intolerable poster in a thread about Warhammer 40.000 novels? Because if it is, you sure blew the competition out of the water, son.
I'm dimly recalling spending a horrible evening trying to get into the Blood Ravens omnibus by the intrepid CS Goto. Christ that palm-pumping donkey rear end-licking fuckup just pretty much parroted the video game verbatim.

I hope you get toe cancer CS Goto. I also spent :10bux: on that poo poo just for Blood Ravens fluff. J'accuse, bitch!

[edit] What's awesome is the dreadnought in Battle of the Fang taking it to Magnus until the chapter master drop-pods on his head. That poo poo was well played.

The Southern Dandy fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 5, 2012

rocket_Magnet
Apr 5, 2005

:unsmith:

Mechafunkzilla posted:

I'm about halfway through the first novella in Shadows of Treachery. It's quite readable! I think it's John French's first Black Library thing so that's encouraging.

Do yourself a favour, as soon as you're done with The crimson fist skip immediately to prince of crows. It's not that it's that the others are bad, it's just that prince of crows is so god drat good :swoon:. The Dark King is ok, but I don't know why McNeill was allowed to write a story dealing with t he night lords (as ADB is so good at it). The lightning tower is interesting, as is raven's flight (although it's seemingly just covering ground already trodden). I didn't like death of a silversmith as I didn't see the point of it at all, and I didn't read the kaban project. As I've read about Kaban from the collected visions art book, and mechanicum why does the same story need to be told for a third time?.

tl;dr: finish crimson fist, jump straight to prince of crows.

ed balls balls man
Apr 17, 2006
Pariah is now available as an eBook on the Black Library site. Its on my Kindle waiting to be ravished.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

ed balls balls man posted:

Pariah is now available as an eBook on the Black Library site. Its on my Kindle waiting to be ravished.

It's the first of a new trilogy, correct?

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

rocket_Magnet posted:

Do yourself a favour, as soon as you're done with The crimson fist skip immediately to prince of crows. It's not that it's that the others are bad, it's just that prince of crows is so god drat good :swoon:. The Dark King is ok, but I don't know why McNeill was allowed to write a story dealing with t he night lords (as ADB is so good at it). The lightning tower is interesting, as is raven's flight (although it's seemingly just covering ground already trodden). I didn't like death of a silversmith as I didn't see the point of it at all, and I didn't read the kaban project. As I've read about Kaban from the collected visions art book, and mechanicum why does the same story need to be told for a third time?.

tl;dr: finish crimson fist, jump straight to prince of crows.
McNeill was allowed to write the Night Lords, because when that story was originally written, I'm not sure ADB was even an author with the BL. Dark King and the Lightning Tower are old stories from the early day of the HH novels - 2007, I think. The others you mention have also been printed elsewhere. Looks like the only new material are the two novellas - thanks for saving me money on this one...

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
I read Lord of the Night on my plane flight overseas, it was really good. Read it all in 1 sitting. I liked the revelation & how it was played up as 'true...or is it?' which is how the best 40k background is usually handled.

The psyker's abilities, the mechanicus guy, the dissimulus/weird inquisition stuff and the necromunda like underhive were all interesting and cool.

Jerkface fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Oct 6, 2012

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Scoobi posted:

I read The Night Haunter on my plane flight overseas, it was really good. Read it all in 1 sitting. I liked the revelation & how it was played up as 'true...or is it?' which is how the best 40k background is usually handled.

The psyker's abilities, the mechanicus guy, the dissimulus/weird inquisition stuff and the necromunda like underhive were all interesting and cool.

Lord of the Night, you mean?

Thewittyname
May 9, 2010

It's time to...
PRESS! YOUR! LUCK!
Just finished Legion of the Damned, and wow - it was great and so very :black101:. Between it and the other two Space Marines Battles books I've read, Brotherhood of the Snake and Helsreach, I'd rank it first, then BotS and then Helsreach. I've just started Sander's Atlas Infernal and I'm hoping it holds up as well.

I'd also like to recommend that the two Battlefleet Gothic books be added to the Good list in the OP. I thought they were well written and gave a good look into the relatively unexplored Imperial Navy.

MisterFuzzles
Dec 5, 2009

We can't go back no more, but I suppose we can go wherever we please.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

It's the first of a new trilogy, correct?

Correct. The Bequin Triolgy.

And son of a bitch. I just started the 4th Space Wolf book (Been enjoyable. Not superb but fun). Gonna have to set that sucker aside to dive right in. Glad I saw the post before heading to work.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Thewittyname posted:

Just finished Legion of the Damned, and wow - it was great and so very :black101:. Between it and the other two Space Marines Battles books I've read, Brotherhood of the Snake and Helsreach, I'd rank it first, then BotS and then Helsreach.
Wait - you ranked Helsreach third? Maybe it is because you're new and didn't realize how awesome that book really was...

Does anyone read Hammer & Bolter? I'm curious as to your thoughts on the quality of the stories. When it was still a thing, I used to read Inferno - while the stories weren't spectacular, they were readable and usually halfway decent. H&B seems to be chock full of terrible, terrible stories that border on Internet fan fiction.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

berzerkmonkey posted:

Wait - you ranked Helsreach third? Maybe it is because you're new and didn't realize how awesome that book really was...

Helsreach is good, but BotS is a great book too and LotD is awesome if the mood and tone of the book clicks with you. Rob Sanders is not as technically gifted an author as ADB, Dan Abnett, or even Chris Wraight, but he does "weird" really, really well.

Speaking of Rob Sanders, is Redemption Corps any good?

Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Oct 5, 2012

Thewittyname
May 9, 2010

It's time to...
PRESS! YOUR! LUCK!

berzerkmonkey posted:

Wait - you ranked Helsreach third? Maybe it is because you're new and didn't realize how awesome that book really was...

Not just third, but third by a pretty good distance (and actually I've read at least two dozen 40k books - this is not bragging). I like ADB, the Night Lord trilogy was amazing, but for me Helsreach was really, really flat. I blame it mostly on the choice of Black Templars as the protagonists, they were so monotonous. The best part of that book was when the Salamanders showed up.

Mechafunkzilla was right about LotD, it oozes atmosphere and Sanders knows how to make bolter porn exciting again. I really appreciated how he took the whole thing to an 11 at the end by making the Legion a literal ghost army one-shotting demons and chaos comets instead of the canonical "rag-tag, slowly dying group of cast-off Space Marines." I do admit this makes me hypocritical because I got so tired of the deus ex machina endings in most of the Gaunt series.

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berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Thewittyname posted:

Not just third, but third by a pretty good distance (and actually I've read at least two dozen 40k books - this is not bragging).
I'm just giving you poo poo. LotD is really that good? I guess I'll have to take a look at it next then. I've heard mixed reviews and was kind of meh on the whole thing, considering the LotD is really a very small section of the entire book. I did like the Czevak book though, so I've got nothing against Rob Sanders as a writer.

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