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Devyl posted:My point is Americans are still trying to push box-shaped vehicles through turns on race tracks. ZL1? Box. CTS-V? Box. Mustang GT? Not as boxy, but still big. I normally associate well-handling track-ready cars with being a bit more aerodynamic. We need to drag limit all the torque  Seriously, though, even though American cars aren't the slipperiest cars out there, they've come leaps and bound in terms of capability. American sports cars are fairly well sorted on race tracks nowadays. Also, if the rumors are true, the new SRT 'Cuda is going to be smaller than both the Camaro and Mustang once the Challenger gets the axe. 450hp, 3600lbs. is what I'm hearing. It's going to be on a RWD Alfa-shared platform rather than the same platform as the Charger/300. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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grover posted:Mustang and Camaro are huge cars because the american public doesn't want hot hatchbacks, they want 500hp family sedans. I mean, look how well the Dodge Charger has sold despite being a Dodge- simply by the fact that it has 4 doors. The consumers that buy these cars don't autocross then, and they certainly don't road race them. If anything, they drag race them, but virtually none will ever see a time slip of any sort. Mostly, they just don't ever drive them anywhere near the limit, but they'd rather be driving something with the image of a performance car than something that looks like every other sedan on the road. So why aint Ford and GM importing every Falcon and Commodore they can lay hands onto? Why was the G8 such a sales flop, when desite it's highish price (it wasnt THAT high tho) it was the mythical 500 hp family hack?
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Cat Terrist posted:So why aint Ford and GM importing every Falcon and Commodore they can lay hands onto? Why was the G8 such a sales flop, when desite it's highish price (it wasnt THAT high tho) it was the mythical 500 hp family hack? Well I know I put it out of the running the minute I discovered it didn't have rear folding seats.
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Cat Terrist posted:So why aint Ford and GM importing every Falcon and Commodore they can lay hands onto? Why was the G8 such a sales flop, when desite it's highish price (it wasnt THAT high tho) it was the mythical 500 hp family hack? The nameplate says alot man. If it isn't a traditional US nameplate then US buyers don't want it.
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In the case of the GTO and G8 I don't think I saw a single ad for it either. The Camaro, Mustang, Charger and Challenger and even the 300 get a ton of product placement in movies, but there's not the same effort made for the "captive imports" when they arise. I expect the same thing to happen to the Chevy SS.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:In the case of the GTO and G8 I don't think I saw a single ad for it either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHokcVWTOAo I was working the door at a bar when this came out and I saw it at least 30 times a night.
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Alright, get your pitchforks out for Audi nixing the Quattro concept: http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/Audis-new-Quattro-to-be-an-Evoque-style-crossover/
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Cat Terrist posted:So why aint Ford and GM importing every Falcon and Commodore they can lay hands onto? Why was the G8 such a sales flop, when desite it's highish price (it wasnt THAT high tho) it was the mythical 500 hp family hack? Because it cost way too much. $28 is a lot to ask for a Pontiac with a base V6, and the V8 took forever to come out, too. The 400 hp version came out like right before they announced they were getting rid of Pontiac forever, and it cost $40k. And mileage was pretty terrible across the board. Oh, and it came out in 2008, right around the time the entire industry and also the US economy exploded. And after all that, it was also a Pontiac at a time when Pontiac was sales poison and literally a few years from death's door. If they could have knocked a few thousand off the MSRP, or else if they'd released it with a blackout trim as a new limited edition Impala SS/El Camino, it would have probably sold a lot better. Or if it had come out just a few years earlier or later. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 9, 2012 |
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grover posted:The consumers that buy these cars don't autocross then, and they certainly don't road race them. Ahem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTG579ORDqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfJntYph_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Hu0zP-1_k 
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Cream_Filling posted:Because it cost way too much. $28 is a lot to ask for a Pontiac with a base V6, and the V8 took forever to come out, too. The 400 hp version came out like right before they announced they were getting rid of Pontiac forever, and it cost $40k. And mileage was pretty terrible across the board. even with all that, IIRC it outsold the Genesis sedan that launched around the same time. More dealerships, but still, I don't know that I'd call it a flop.
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Paint that beast black, number it "666" and put "DEATHWAGON" on it along with some angry teeth and someones head. owns 
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Rhyno posted:That matte Dart is pretty hot. Does anyone in AI own a Dart yet? My Dad keeps searching for one. I wish he'd buy one already. EDIT: Oh you meant new one. Hell naw. I forgot I was in the new car thread. Oops. Ziploc fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Oct 9, 2012 |
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Devyl posted:My point is Americans are still trying to push box-shaped vehicles through turns on race tracks. ZL1? Box. CTS-V? Box. Mustang GT? Not as boxy, but still big. I normally associate well-handling track-ready cars with being a bit more aerodynamic. Somewhat related, and at the very least interesting: quote:The 1969 Dodge Daytona had a drag coefficient (cd) of just 0.28, better than most cars made in the 1990s. It would have produced even less drag, if it weren't for the tall spoiler (added to keep the rear wheels on the ground at high speeds), but still achieved 200 mph (set by Buddy Baker on March 24, 1970, at 200.447 mph around Talladega). source: https://www.allpar.com/model/superbird.html I mean, the Daytona/Super bird was pretty much just a box with a nose on it. Is that what you want?  
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MrSaturn posted:Somewhat related, and at the very least interesting: Those pesky federal bumper requirements killed all hope of ever having another Daytona...
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Keyser S0ze posted:Paint that beast black, number it "666" and put "DEATHWAGON" on it along with some angry teeth and someones head. owns So a frat destroyed a Continental to make that thing 
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Das Volk posted:So a frat destroyed a Continental to make that thing The best frat, Alpha Delta Phi.
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Das Volk posted:So a frat destroyed a Continental to make that thing IOwnCalculus put this guy on secret double probation.
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AdmiralViscen posted:even with all that, IIRC it outsold the Genesis sedan that launched around the same time. More dealerships, but still, I don't know that I'd call it a flop. The early Genesis may have still been shaking off the "bad Hyundai" vibes of previous years.
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Das Volk posted:So a frat destroyed a Continental to make that thing You really are a bad person, you know that?
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Das Volk posted:So a frat destroyed a Continental to make that thing My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:My 1-series has two cupholders. They are both way too small, and the second one is blocked off by the armrest so you can't actually fit anything in them. That was us! We did our best, I swear. Edit: Specifically, I think it was my mom. Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 9, 2012 |
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discstickers posted:I cancelled mine and bought a 3-er instead. What's the best way to order a ST, anyhow? And how long does it take to build? I'm going to have to say goodbye to the old Camry someday soonish. Devyl posted:My point is Americans are still trying to push box-shaped vehicles through turns on race tracks. ZL1? Box. CTS-V? Box. Mustang GT? Not as boxy, but still big. I normally associate well-handling track-ready cars with being a bit more aerodynamic.  We got a long history of this kind of thing, you know? (1950 Cadillac Le Monstre) Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Oct 9, 2012 |
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Huge_Midget posted:My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son. New cars I like. Uh.. That BRZ is kind of neat looking. 
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War Bunny posted:The early Genesis may have still been shaking off the "bad Hyundai" vibes of previous years. In comparison to the baggage-free Pontiac nameplate?
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AdmiralViscen posted:In comparison to the baggage-free Pontiac nameplate? I'd take an 86 Grand Prix over an 86 Excel any day of the week.
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ZippySLC posted:I'd take an 86 Grand Prix over an 86 Excel any day of the week. Hyundai shold have kept the Stellar and Pony in production. While none of the cars are good, at least the Pony/Stellar were somewhat reliable and RWD 
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Hyundai really needs a new logo. Hell, even their old 80s logo looks better than the one they have now.
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Warcabbit posted:What's the best way to order a ST, anyhow? And how long does it take to build? I'm going to have to say goodbye to the old Camry someday soonish. I emailed a bunch of dealers asking for quotes. My deal was 1050 under MSRP for an ST3 with Tangerine Scream paint and no moon roof. Check out X-plan pricing, it may be a little less, although not all dealers are honoring it apparently.
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My problem is that I can't find one without a moonroof, so I'm going to have to go order one specially built.
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We were discussing the Electric Smart ForTwo earlier in this thread and it's worth noting that the 2013 model is apparently significantly improved:autoblog posted:Compared to the last version we used to slalom around New York City's finest potholes (which was rated at 27 horsepower constant output and 40 hp maximum output), this new plug-in electricity-fueled ForTwo has a constant cruising output of 47 hp and a peaky max output of 74 hp. It's tangibly twice the car. Acceleration to 37 mph (i.e. 60 kmh) was 6.5 seconds, but is now 4.8 seconds. The shocker stat, though, is acceleration to 62 mph (100 kmh): it was 26.7 seconds for the prior car. Stop laughing; Now the time is down to an actually useful and comparatively spirited 11.5 seconds. V-max arrives at a tick over 78 mph. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/10/2013-smart-fortwo-electric-drive-first-drive-review/ This is actually the car I was originally referring to... it's $25k *before* tax incentives.
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Neat and I'm all for cheap electric cars, but...78MPH top speed? Even when I'm driving alone and not using the HOV lane, at least half of my commute is ±5MPH of that. Sounds like it's only useful for someone whose commute is entirely highway-free.
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All the highways around here are 60-65MPH until you get out in the boonies and it's not like you're taking an electric car on a cross country road trip. In theory something like an electric fourtwo would be perfect for 95% of the driving I do, too bad they're out of my price range...
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Cream_Filling posted:Hyundai really needs a new logo. Hell, even their old 80s logo looks better than the one they have now. I've seen an eagle looking emblem on a few genesises and velosters.
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rscott posted:All the highways around here are 60-65MPH until you get out in the boonies and it's not like you're taking an electric car on a cross country road trip. In theory something like an electric fourtwo would be perfect for 95% of the driving I do, too bad they're out of my price range... My commute is completely highway with a top speed limit of 55mph. That doesn't change the fact that if you are driving something that's not capable of doing 80mph, you are going to get passed left and right. Paper and reality don't always meet.
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rscott posted:Who cares if you're getting passed left and right? If you're getting passed left and right, you should probably move over to the far right lane.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Neat and I'm all for cheap electric cars, but...78MPH top speed? Even when I'm driving alone and not using the HOV lane, at least half of my commute is ±5MPH of that. Sounds like it's only useful for someone whose commute is entirely highway-free. Is it as hard on electric cars for them to be doing 100% of their maximum speed as it is for conventional cars? I don't see this as a huge problem as long as it can sustain 75mph with no difficulties like an overheating battery occurring. It is pretty funny to be selling a car with a lower top speed than some roads in Texas have speed limits set at. I'd like to drive our new 85mph road just to see what speed traffic actually moves at there.
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