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I think reinforcing the notion that this whole thing is really pointless is what gets my eyes rolling more than anything else. This is literally the remnants of the remnants of the remnants of Zeon. They're pathetic and/or laughable at this point and fighting for basically no reason whatsoever and any time I get reminded of that it just makes the whole situation more ridiculous.
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One thing I wonder about in the coming episode 6 of unicorn: Riddhe isn't a newtype is he? How the hell is he going to put up a fight if the Destroy Mode of the Banshee can't use him as a newtype-processing-kill-machine. Hell, Banager now has control over the NT-D system and can do what he wants with it, making it even more unfair.
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Oct 15, 2012 15:54
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Zedd posted:One thing I wonder about in the coming episode 6 of unicorn: I'm pretty sure Riddhe is a Newtype, he just isn't a particularly great one. A lot of the reactions he has only really make sense if he's got Newtype stuff going on and just fundamentally doesn't understand it. (Which makes him an ideal pilot for the Banshee thematically.) Also he's a Newtype in the most recent G Generation game (the first one he meaningfully shows up in) although still a crappy one. He's got the Newtype character ability and everything.
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Oct 15, 2012 15:59
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Ah Right. Due to watching AGE I got used to nothing making sense, now that you mention it he did have some of those moments where he sensed stuff.
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Oct 15, 2012 17:05
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ImpAtom posted:SEED was also the first Gundam show which really seriously got fansubbed widely as it was released, and so it was a lot of people's first experience with being disappointed on a weekly basis, something we're all far more used to by this point.
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Oct 15, 2012 23:14
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U.T. Raptor posted:As a side effect, iirc there's still (or were for years after the fact, at least) a bunch of idiots running around using outdated fansub names for SEED characters. Where did the extra W even come from? It isn't even close to a valid interpretation for those kana.
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Oct 15, 2012 23:25
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Son Ryo posted:Where did the extra W even come from? It isn't even close to a valid interpretation for those kana. The character merch.
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Oct 15, 2012 23:32
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I'm pretty sure the only blonde in Gundam who isn't also a weak newtype is Cagalli.
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Oct 15, 2012 23:46
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Whizbang posted:I'm pretty sure the only blonde in Gundam who isn't also a weak newtype is Cagalli. Asemu Asuno.
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Oct 15, 2012 23:54
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ImpAtom posted:Asemu Asuno. Does being "SUPA PILOTOOOOH" not count?
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Oct 15, 2012 23:56
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Spiritus Nox posted:Does being "SUPA PILOTOOOOH" not count? Considering his entire thing with that is being explicitly not in the slightest bit superhuman, I'd say so.
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Oct 16, 2012 00:05
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Son Ryo posted:Where did the extra W even come from? It isn't even close to a valid interpretation for those kana. Bandai loving loves bad romanization. See also Hagane Kwai and Shilogwane.
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Oct 16, 2012 00:44
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I still can't believe that an entire page talking about seed's voodoo explosion-resistance went by and no one mentioned Mu exploding into nothing but a shattered helmet floating through space -Just kidding guys, he's totally back for the sequel! That was the precise "you can't be loving serious" moment for me in destiny. edit: Ok, maybe this guy Clever Spambot posted:Explosions dont work the same way in gundam SEED as they do in real life, they are more like portals that teleport you exactly where you need to be. That or they kill you, depending on how important to the plot you are.
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Oct 16, 2012 00:54
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I don't think you really need to put spoilers on what happened with Mu. Yeah that would easily be the most bullshit resurrection in cosmic era, but you have to remember that the Lohengrin is an anti-fortress weapon and Mu is not a fortress.
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Oct 16, 2012 01:03
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ImpAtom posted:Asemu Asuno. I don't know who that is, but he certainly isn't a Gundam character. 
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Oct 16, 2012 01:08
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Whizbang posted:I'm pretty sure the only blonde in Gundam who isn't also a weak newtype is Cagalli. I wouldn't say that Char is a weak newtype, he just seems like it because he is always right by Amuro or Kamille. I wouldn't say he's a super strong one, more around medium level.
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Oct 16, 2012 01:30
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Nasgate posted:I wouldn't say that Char is a weak newtype, he just seems like it because he is always right by Amuro or Kamille. I wouldn't say he's a super strong one, more around medium level. Nah, Char is a weak newtype and an ok pilot. He gets by on being really really good at politics and public speaking.
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Oct 16, 2012 01:44
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Whizbang posted:Nah, Char is a weak newtype and an ok pilot. He gets by on being really really good at politics and public speaking. See, I always thought he was supposed to be an awesome pilot. He's obviously some of the hottest poo poo around in 0079, then in Zeta he keeps up with the rediculous upgrades the titans keep churning out and eventually going head to head with the ludicrously-dangerous Haman and Scirocco in what is by then a sub-par mobile suit. And then of course in CCA Amuro seems like the only one who can touch him, though he's admittedly got a huge technical advantage there.
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Oct 16, 2012 02:00
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In Char's Counterattack Char and Amuro are firing at each other's beams. They're on a completely different level than everyone else.
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Oct 16, 2012 02:06
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I have no idea how anyone could say char is an "ok" pilot. His insane skill is the only reason he can keep up with Amuro, because Amuro is a more powerful newtype. Edit: Actually, speaking of Char, are there any side stories of what he is doing between Zeta and CCA?
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Oct 16, 2012 02:20
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The only times he keeps up with Amuro are when he has a tech advantage. When it's a level playing field like Amuro in the Nu, Amuro kicks his poo poo in like it's no big deal. Same with the whole "Red Comet" thing, he was in a Zaku versus battleships and space fighers.
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Oct 16, 2012 02:25
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It's outright canon that Char is the superior technical pilot I mean, let's not forget how loving well he did in Zeta when using largely inferior weaponry as well.
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Oct 16, 2012 02:38
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Meh, I don't buy the whole, "better technical pilot," line since Amuro is a top-notch technical pilot as well, he just gets the added advantage of being a stronger Newtype. It's not like you can really separate the two out, though, since one really feeds into the other. Besides, technically speaking outside of the fin funnels (which were a non-issue by the time Char and Amuro met up in the final battle in CCA), the Sazabi actually outclassed the Nu Gundam in terms of speed, strength, and firepower. Amuro still busted that sucker up while sustaining only cosmetic damage. I'm not saying Char wasn't a kickass pilot. I'm just saying give Amuro more credit. Edit: Char is way more interesting of a character, though. Mecha Gojira fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Oct 16, 2012 |
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Oct 16, 2012 03:00
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It doesn't matter if you "buy into it" or not, Zorak was referencing the fact that Char being a better pilot is the Word of God and isn't really up for debate. The Sazabi being better than the Nu isn't entirely correct. It has superior performance in purely technical terms, but the Nu had an entire cockpit made of psycoframe with an extremely powerful newtype sitting inside it.
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Popehoist posted:It doesn't matter if you "buy into it" or not, Zorak was referencing the fact that Char being a better pilot is the Word of God and isn't really up for debate. To be fair, so did the Sazabi. That's why Amuro took his cockpit/escape pod and jammed it against the asteroid, to take full advantage of BOTH suit's psycoframes.
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The thing about being the better technical pilot is that you're still at a massive disadvantage when your opponent is psychic. It's one of the things first Gundam drove home when Amuro kept beating far more skilled opponents while still a fledgling himself.
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Mecha Gojira posted:Besides, technically speaking outside of the fin funnels (which were a non-issue by the time Char and Amuro met up in the final battle in CCA), the Sazabi actually outclassed the Nu Gundam in terms of speed, strength, and firepower. Amuro still busted that sucker up while sustaining only cosmetic damage. To be fair, cosmetic damage to a mobile suit in space is often just a few feet away from a death blow. Plus, you have to admit Char to be at least "above average" just from seeing normal pilots being a complete non-issue to him.
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Oct 16, 2012 03:36
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On the topic of blondes who aren't weak newtypes, Yazan was pure old type.
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TTBF posted:On the topic of blondes who aren't weak newtypes, Yazan was pure old type. Yazan was mostly just a murdertype.
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ActionZero posted:I don't think you really need to put spoilers on what happened with Mu. Yeah that would easily be the most bullshit resurrection in cosmic era, but you have to remember that the Lohengrin is an anti-fortress weapon and Mu is not a fortress. It's also an antimatter beam weapon, so not even his helmet should be left 
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ImpAtom posted:The thing about being the better technical pilot is that you're still at a massive disadvantage when your opponent is psychic. It's one of the things first Gundam drove home when Amuro kept beating far more skilled opponents while still a fledgling himself. These arguments just make Yazan even more amazing, and I'm thankful for it. 
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Popehoist posted:It doesn't matter if you "buy into it" or not, Zorak was referencing the fact that Char being a better pilot is the Word of God and isn't really up for debate. Plus, whilst it was powerful, the Sazabi was actually quite poorly-designed. Its funnels couldn't re-dock with the suit once Char launched them, its beam sabres were overlarge and inefficient (the Nu's had more cutting power), and its waist-mounted cannon was absurdly underpowered for something that big. It says a lot that when they went back to the drawing-board and started figuring out ways to improve the Sazabi, they spent most of their time trimming off unnecessary extras. Char actually put up a pretty impressive showing in that thing. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Oct 16, 2012 |
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-Troika- posted:It's also an antimatter beam weapon, so not even his helmet should be left Good thing they retconned that IN THE RECAP EPISODE THEY AIRED RIGHT AFTER THE FINALE so that his helmet was gone. We really need a  that's a big headed chibi Kira in his helmet or something because god drat
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Shinjobi posted:These arguments just make Yazan even more amazing, and I'm thankful for it. Yazan tries to use his coat as a parachute.
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ImpAtom posted:Yazan tries to use his coat as a parachute. Ahem - succeeds in using his coat as a parachute.
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ImpAtom posted:Considering his entire thing with that is being explicitly not in the slightest bit superhuman, I'd say so. That might have been the intention, but the execution says it's possibly not true. How else do you explain Decil's "Why can't I read him?" line? When your opponents power is to read movements and you're blocking him that's pretty much a super power in and of itself. Mecha Gojira posted:Besides, technically speaking outside of the fin funnels (which were a non-issue by the time Char and Amuro met up in the final battle in CCA), the Sazabi actually outclassed the Nu Gundam in terms of speed, strength, and firepower. Amuro still busted that sucker up while sustaining only cosmetic damage. I don't think this is really accurate. Amuro and Char both made each other use up all of their weapons. Missiles, funnels, beam sabers, rifles, cannons, the works, all gone by the end of their fight. The only difference in suit damage is that Amuro lopped off one of the Sazabi's arms, and that's after several minutes of sustained fighting. At that point it turns in to a simple brawl, which Amuro obviously has the advantage in because he has two arms to Char's one, but even then Char is able to escape from the beating Amuro starts to put on him and continue fighting. The main reason the fight ends is because he let's himself be distracted by Mirai rather than concentrating on the fight he's in and Amuro punches him so hard that the impact with Axis blows up most of the Sazabi. If you can last in an all out fight against a much more powerful psychic than you and make him use up all his weapons and still keep going I think it's a sign you're a pretty drat good pilot.
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boom boom boom posted:X-Rounders are special because they're able to access a primitive part of the brain that's dormant in most people right? I think there was even a line early on about that being bad in someway that was never expanded on, like, because they were thinking in a more primitive, instinctual manner. So maybe X-Rounders can't read Super Pilots because Super Pilots rely on high-level critical thinking more than instinct? I think that we should just use Occam's razor here and just assume that there isn't any reason for why X-Rounders can't read Super Pilots other than the writers being lazy.
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tsob posted:That might have been the intention, but the execution says it's possibly not true. How else do you explain Decil's "Why can't I read him?" line? When your opponents power is to read movements and you're blocking him that's pretty much a super power in and of itself. I always thought that was kind of like the fight between Suzaku and the knight of one in code geass. When Suzaku let the live geass he had placed on him come into play it made him so skilled that even though Bismarck could use his geass to see the future he couldn't actually do anything to stop Suzaku from killing him. Asemu just managed to get so mundanely good that an X-Rounder's ability wasn't any use against him forcing them to rely on their mundane skills, which given how he was good enough to force them to do that meant that most X-Rounders were pretty hosed at that point. I daresay that right there I've probably put more thought into the matter than the writers did. How that applies to Woolf's super pilotness given how his "oh my god he just took down an x-rounder" scene involved him kind of just floating there shooting while she flew around him ineffectively I have no idea. edit: VVVV I would have loved a training montage where Woolf plays chess with Asemu and makes references to how it will help him fight. ActionZero fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Oct 16, 2012 |
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I suspect that deal with Super Pilots is that they're not very good at animating them. The way they appear to be dealing with them is "they're so good pilots that they fight three steps ahead." What we've seen of X-Rounder bullshit is that it sees the next moment, not necessarily a few moments ahead. So it's theoretically supposed to be a case where the pilot's are so naturally skilled that they're effectively fighting ahead of where the psychics can view and react to. Thus the reason Desil can't read him is because Asemu's already two steps ahead. (IIRC, they used something similar to this to justify why Max Jenius is a nine times more talented pilot than anyone else in Macross, which is probably where AGE Mind you, this isn't well-represented in the show. The entire thing with Woolf firing randomly and hitting the X-Rounder only really makes sense if you're supposed to read it as "Woolf is tricking the X-Rounder into flying into his shots,' but they don't have the talent in choreography to actually make that look good. So instead it just looks like he's randomly firing and hitting. A better show would have basically animated it so that the Super Pilots are moving in ways that lure the enemies into traps or exploiting the weaknesses of their robots or so-on, but AGE is a lovely-rear end show. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Oct 16, 2012 |
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