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Jedit posted:Patience, grasshopper, I'm getting round to it. I'm also not sure if this should be a BSS thread for Dredd (with options to expand into other 2000AD characters), an Ask/Tell about classic Dredd, or a Let's Read for the Case Files. Thoughts? General 2000AD/Dredd would probably be the most appropriate.
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Maarak posted:If Dredd was simply a "bad apple", the satire of the comic wouldn't really work. Dredd is an extension of Mega-City One, not some rogue cop: My impression has been that Dredd is a legendarily good judge, but only because the other judges are just that bad.
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Oct 13, 2012 03:31
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Skeesix posted:My impression has been that Dredd is a legendarily good judge, but only because the other judges are just that bad. He's legendarily good mostly in the sense that he's survived a long time and anyone who pisses him off ends up dead or in prison.
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Oct 13, 2012 03:34
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Skeesix posted:My impression has been that Dredd is a legendarily good judge, but only because the other judges are just that bad. That is not true. There have been bad Judges but a lot have not been that bad. Dredd has lasted a large time but there is another reason why he is the best judge there is.
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Oct 13, 2012 03:38
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I loved this movie but was annoyed that Dredd only cleaned up his exit wound. Come on dude. You've got a massive hole in your back.
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Oct 13, 2012 06:39
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scary ghost dog posted:I loved this movie but was annoyed that Dredd only cleaned up his exit wound. Come on dude. You've got a massive hole in your back. I'm extremely pleased that was not shown. It would add absolutely nothing to the film. In fact, I'll go further and say that one of reasons this film succeeds is because the film makers took an overall spartan approach. The story is kept small and simple, we don't get lots of expositionary dialogue, there's no condescending origin story for a first act. Ma-Ma's entire history is shown in a matter of seconds with a few lines of dialogue. It's enough for the audience to understand who she is and what motivates her. The run time is, what, 90 minutes? These decisions make a difference.
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Oct 13, 2012 11:25
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Riflen posted:I'm extremely pleased that was not shown. It would add absolutely nothing to the film. Plus this is Dredd we are talking about. Patch up the exit wound, but the little entrance wound can probably wait until he's finished his shift.
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Oct 13, 2012 11:33
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Riflen posted:In fact, I'll go further and say that one of reasons this film succeeds is because the film makers took an overall spartan approach. The story is kept small and simple, we don't get lots of expositionary dialogue, there's no condescending origin story for a first act. That's one of the reason I really liked it as well. It was not a movie where "Dredd has to save the world!" or "If Dredd doesn't do X the whole city will be vaporized!" It was effective world building by just showing a "normal" day for Dredd in Mega City One. A simple compact story that can be watched stand alone and easily leads to more movies.
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Oct 13, 2012 15:17
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Jedit posted:Patience, grasshopper, I'm getting round to it. I'm also not sure if this should be a BSS thread for Dredd (with options to expand into other 2000AD characters), an Ask/Tell about classic Dredd, or a Let's Read for the Case Files. Thoughts? A BSS thread on 2000 AD/Crisis/Revolver in general, there are so many awesome, amazing and bizarre things in 2000 AD to discuss. There has previously been a lets read style of thing known as the prog slog, some guy bought a crate full of 2000 AD comics on e-bay and blogged about reading them. http://progslog.blogspot.co.uk/
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Oct 13, 2012 21:39
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I hate to be That Guy, but can I ask for some good Dredd comics to read? Some good self contained stories or whatever?
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Oct 14, 2012 03:49
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:I hate to be That Guy, but can I ask for some good Dredd comics to read? Some good self contained stories or whatever? If you want self contained start with Dredd Case File 3. If you want long storylines go with Case file 2.
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Oct 14, 2012 04:07
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blackguy32 posted:I was just about to say that. In fact, it looks like it is much safer than probably living out in MegaCity one. I remember at least one comic where this is remarked on. Some high-profile criminal is released from the cubes, and Dredd escorts him to his new legit home. On the way a half dozen or so old "associates" of the prisoner show up and try to kill him. By the time he gets to his apartment, he demands Dredd send him back to the cubes because he was safe there and Dredd won't be around to protect him when he leaves in like five minutes. Dredd declines since he's done nothing wrong yet, so he punches Dredd in the face. Assaulting a Judge? Life sentence.
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Oct 14, 2012 04:35
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Zweihander01 posted:I remember at least one comic where this is remarked on. Some high-profile criminal is released from the cubes, and Dredd escorts him to his new legit home. On the way a half dozen or so old "associates" of the prisoner show up and try to kill him. By the time he gets to his apartment, he demands Dredd send him back to the cubes because he was safe there and Dredd won't be around to protect him when he leaves in like five minutes. Dredd declines since he's done nothing wrong yet, so he punches Dredd in the face. Assaulting a Judge? Life sentence. Ya but you could be also sent to Titan and look like this 
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Oct 14, 2012 04:48
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bobkatt013 posted:Ya but you could be also sent to Titan and look like this Only corrupt Judges go to Titan.
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Oct 14, 2012 10:50
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bobkatt013 posted:Ya but you could be also sent to Titan and look like this Man, the resemblance to Armand Assante really is uncanny. The casting could not have been better.
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Oct 14, 2012 12:49
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Did anyone else notice that when Anderson appeared in the mindgame with their prisoner her face was very disctictly shot in 3-D ? It really added to the scene how she popped out of the screen so to speak in a film with modest use of 3-D. One thing I really liked was how Anderson used her psi abilities at every opportunity and how well they worked. There was no sign of the usual headaches or nosebleeds that you see when the writers are afraid the powers their character has will interfere with the story and they put a limit on their use until the grand finale. Here it was exactly the other way around and at every point where you would say "use your powers dammit !" she used them.
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Kramjacks posted:And right after that the hostage is in a stunned silence for a moment before saying "Thank you Judge". It seemed to me like she said it more out of fear of Dredd than feeling relieved. Did anyone else expect him to give her a month in the iso-cubes for a restaurant hygiene violation after he saved her life? (spoiling out of caution, but do we have to spoiler every possible detail of the film?) Edit: Also, I laughed at the windows 3.11 starfield screen saver in eyeball guy's room at the end. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Oct 14, 2012 |
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Oct 14, 2012 21:25
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bobkatt013 posted:Ya but you could be also sent to Titan and look like this casts itself: Luis Guzman
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Oct 14, 2012 22:58
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This was great. What I love most about it is the music. I haven't heard music this good in a film in a while. The movie was also very nice to look at. It was a lot of fun.
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Oct 15, 2012 16:47
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Awesome movie. Why didn't Dredd kill the two youths with guns? Seems out of character for him to stun them. I'm not advocating killing kids only that I thought it was out of character for a guy who burns people to death and stops to watch to give two shits about a couple of kids with guns.
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Oct 16, 2012 14:39
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Affi posted:Awesome movie. Why didn't Dredd kill the two youths with guns? Seems out of character for him to stun them. I'm not advocating killing kids only that I thought it was out of character for a guy who burns people to death and stops to watch to give two shits about a couple of kids with guns. Because that's not the law. Dredd is Judge, Jury an Executioner, and the adult penalty for pointing a gun at a judge is death. So, these guys die, and it's of no matter to Dredd whether they do so now or later, or how they die, and since they are an immediate threat now will do fine. However, for kids the penalty is a certain amount of time in the "juve cubes", so that's what they get.
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Fatkraken posted:Because that's not the law. Dredd is Judge, Jury an Executioner, and the adult penalty for pointing a gun at a judge is death. So, these guys die, and it's of no matter to Dredd whether they do so now or later, or how they die, and since they are an immediate threat now will do fine. However, for kids the penalty is a certain amount of time in the "juve cubes", so that's what they get.
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Fatkraken posted:Because that's not the law. Dredd is Judge, Jury an Executioner, and the adult penalty for pointing a gun at a judge is death. So, these guys die, and it's of no matter to Dredd whether they do so now or later, or how they die, and since they are an immediate threat now will do fine. However, for kids the penalty is a certain amount of time in the "juve cubes", so that's what they get. Thanks for this explanation, I wasn't aware of this and it did strike me as odd that Dredd made a point of stunning rather than killing them. Like Affi I didn't have any desire to see children being killed, but it just struck me as odd that Dredd would relax his stringent adherence to the law in any situation, particularly in the context of this movie where he was otherwise unmovable. Now I know that killing them would have been against the law that he serves, it makes perfect sense.
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Jerusalem posted:Thanks for this explanation, I wasn't aware of this and it did strike me as odd that Dredd made a point of stunning rather than killing them. Like Affi I didn't have any desire to see children being killed, but it just struck me as odd that Dredd would relax his stringent adherence to the law in any situation, particularly in the context of this movie where he was otherwise unmovable. Now I know that killing them would have been against the law that he serves, it makes perfect sense. Ignorance of the law is no defense. 24hrs in the iso-cubes.
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Oct 16, 2012 22:59
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Riflen posted:Ignorance of the law is no defense. 24hrs in the iso-cubes. No Judge, I'm going to tell YOU how it is! 
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Jerusalem posted:No Judge, I'm going to tell YOU how it is! I knew you'd do that.
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Jerusalem posted:Thanks for this explanation, I wasn't aware of this and it did strike me as odd that Dredd made a point of stunning rather than killing them. Like Affi I didn't have any desire to see children being killed, but it just struck me as odd that Dredd would relax his stringent adherence to the law in any situation, particularly in the context of this movie where he was otherwise unmovable. Now I know that killing them would have been against the law that he serves, it makes perfect sense. I think Professor Clumsy answered this question pretty elegantly in his frontpage review: Professor Clumsy posted:Dredd is a character who could easily be the villain, because he performs acts of despicable violence without hesitation or remorse, but his conviction and belief in the law are what save him. Yeah, he melted a guy's head, but it was the law. Sure he didn't need to throw that guy to his death, but he was trying to prove a point about the law. He is the law, after all. The law doesn't discriminate (it does), and neither does he (he does). Dredd reflects the law accurately, but the law itself is imperfect, unfair, and open to interpretation.
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Oct 17, 2012 02:34
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Saw this last night, really liked it.
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Oct 17, 2012 07:40
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Echoing what's been said -- Dredd would be a much different character if he were an actual sadist, which he's not. Everything he does is in service to the law.
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Oct 17, 2012 21:06
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Yeah, the thing that you have to remember is that he is charged with punishing people. The horrible things he does to people are in service of the concept of punishing people for breaking the law, not personal satisfaction.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Echoing what's been said -- Dredd would be a much different character if he were an actual sadist, which he's not. Everything he does is in service to the law. I'm sure you've got a great comeback but the guy stops and watches people burn. The only way they'd make it more obvious would be if he had smiled.
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Affi posted:I'm sure you've got a great comeback but the guy stops and watches people burn. There are two reasons to watch someone suffer after you hurt them. One is because you're enjoying it. The other is because you're responsible and you don't want to forget what the consequences of your actions are. Only one of these reasons involves you smiling.
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Jedit posted:There are two reasons to watch someone suffer after you hurt them. One is because you're enjoying it. The other is because you're responsible and you don't want to forget what the consequences of your actions are. Only one of these reasons involves you smiling. Also, part of that responsibility is to ensure everyone is either dead or otherwise not a problem anymore first before moving on.
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He stopped and watched because a part of him regrets what he did and a part of him is dismayed at what he is forced to do in the service of the law. On the inside, Mr.Judge Dredd is a soft, sensitive man who only wants to make the world a better place 
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Zzulu posted:He stopped and watched because a part of him regrets what he did and a part of him is dismayed at what he is forced to do in the service of the law. This is what Anderson saw in the movie before she was interrupted. 
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Echoing what's been said -- Dredd would be a much different character if he were an actual sadist, which he's not. Everything he does is in service to the law. I do think there's something to what Affi says, even if Dredd isn't a straight-up sadist. The point to Clumsy's line, "the law doesn't discriminate (it does), and neither does he (he does)," is that Dredd is not simply a dispassionate tool of the law. So, while I don't know that it is ever suggested that Dredd is an outright sadist, I do think there we can look at his decisions beyond them being him serving the law. Killing the thug at the beginning with the "hot shot" is probably the best example of this: it's a decision made by Dredd, beyond (from what we can tell) the guidelines as specified by the law, to enforce dominance through force and terror. I agree with you that the film seeks to focus on condemning the system, an end which would be undermined by Dredd being a maniac, but I also think that he himself does not escape unscathed.
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Well, Dredds job is to uphold the law. The easiest way to make sure that people don't break the law is to make the consequences absolutely clear. Hence, melting some guys head is actually a preventative measure taken by Dredd.
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MrBling posted:Well, Dredds job is to uphold the law. The easiest way to make sure that people don't break the law is to make the consequences absolutely clear. It also reinforces the idea that when a Judge tells you to do something you listen to the Judge.
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MrBling posted:Well, Dredds job is to uphold the law. The easiest way to make sure that people don't break the law is to make the consequences absolutely clear. The point is that explaining Dredd's actions does not end with determining them to be "in service of the law," because to be "in service of the law" is unspecific and however it will be pursued will reflect on the character. What is relevant in the "hot shot" scene is not killing the thug in that manner can be construed as being "in service of the law," but that Dredd took to understand and fulfill his service in such a manner that relies on cruelty and terror.
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Dredd isn't in merely in "service of the law", he is the embodiment of the law and the judge system in Mega City One. When Dredd does something that is cruel it's a reflection on the entire system.
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