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Enjoy posted:Fascists advocating proportional representation? This is some kind of trick. Most authoritarian right-wingers complain about democracy interfering with Good, Strong Men using their Common Sense to interpret the I actually did follow his advice and Googled "disproportional representation." I got more or less the kind of stuff I expected -- electoral districts, minority students in schools, etc. -- but I have no idea what the guy's talking about. I have no idea if it's a reference to some paranoid fascist thing, but you should never underestimate the ability of fascists to emulate all this democratic/human rights/etc. discourse when it suits them.
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The Nazis came to power in a country with proportional representation and a common argument against PR is that it could cause such a thing to happen again. However the Nazi's rise to power was far from solely by democratic means and opponents of more representative democracy will say anything to defend the status quo. Nonetheless given this and the fact the BNP gained their only seats in an election with PR it is understandable why fascists would be open to PR.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The Nazis came to power in a country with proportional representation and a common argument against PR is that it could cause such a thing to happen again. Council elections in England don't use PR and the BNP won some in the past (although they haven't retained them very successfully).
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Cerv posted:Their 2 EU seats aren't their only electoral success. The BNP also came out against AV during the referendum.
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quote:From this system it is clear that smaller parties are disadvantaged and their votes will always be “redistributed” to other parties.
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Speaking of the BNP, Nick Griffin is now planning on harrassing gay couple in their homes for the hideous crime of winning a lawsuit:
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Lamuella posted:Speaking of the BNP, Nick Griffin is now planning on harrassing gay couple in their homes for the hideous crime of winning a lawsuit:
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So, you would have thought that trying to help a girl who was shot in the head because she belived in equal rights for education is something everyone can get behind, right? welp quote:Reaching new lows in their foulness, English Defence League members have turned on 14 year old anti Taliban blogger, Malala Yousafzai, describing her as 'a piece of poo poo' an 'it' and 'free loading trash'.   loving classy. e: there is much, much more in the article, all of it is terrible
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I can't help but see some horrible irony in them whinging about "stone age scumbags" against someone who was protesting against the horrors of the system. More likely that it was someone who looked foreign, how dare they etc.
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Lamuella posted:Speaking of the BNP, Nick Griffin is now planning on harrassing gay couple in their homes for the hideous crime of winning a lawsuit: He's been booted off twitter now and the police cage has been rattled
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The Brown Menace posted:Finally the EDL and Taliban can agree on something, I suppose. Hated them 'cause they were too similar, like.
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Chocolate Teapot posted:I can't help but see some horrible irony in them whinging about "stone age scumbags" against someone who was protesting against the horrors of the system. More likely that it was someone who looked foreign, how dare they etc. These comments have me open mouthed in disbelief. Surely a young girl fighting against an oppressive theocracy, going against the "muzzy" way, being treated in England is a cause for celebration right? It shows maybe we (white english born and bred ya coont) ARE better than the muzzy scum right? Nope. I'm aghast at this level of stupidity. I haven't even thought about the word aghast for 20 odd years but here I am using it right now because it accurately reflects how I feel. Aghast.
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ClownSyndrome posted:He's been booted off twitter now and the police cage has been rattled Griffin has an uncanny ability to kick up the scum in the pond in order to cloud the waters and avoid acknowledging when some serious issue needs addressing - so we were expecting something to pop up in order to cover for this but I don't think anyone expected this! ... Dammit - the fucker's got me arguing for use of the Comms act 2003. 
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Mr Cuddles posted:These comments have me open mouthed in disbelief. Surely a young girl fighting against an oppressive theocracy, going against the "muzzy" way, being treated in England is a cause for celebration right? It shows maybe we (white english born and bred ya coont) ARE better than the muzzy scum right? Why is anyone surprised by this? BNP hates Muslims. Malala is a Muslim. Therefore BNP hates Malala.
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KayTee posted:Griffin has an uncanny ability to kick up the scum in the pond in order to cloud the waters and avoid acknowledging when some serious issue needs addressing - so we were expecting something to pop up in order to cover for this but I don't think anyone expected this! "Yorkshire and Humber MEP Andrew Brons has today resigned from the BNP and is poised to launch a new party with others who have left the BNP over the last few years." I wish him all the best with the founding of the People's Front of Judea.
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Nick Griffin interviewed by Nicky Cambell on R5-live This. Is. loving. Gold.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Why is anyone surprised by this? BNP hates Muslims. Malala is a Muslim. Therefore BNP hates Malala. For some reason, we always expect them to have a single lick of depth, self-awareness, or humanity. You'd think we'd learn that racist dipshits lack any of the aforementioned from thousands of years of history, and decades of seeing them in action.
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KayTee posted:Nick Griffin interviewed by Nicky Cambell on R5-live I swear that whoever picked the picture for that interview lined up the loading circle exactly with his lazy eye.
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Pomp posted:For some reason, we always expect them to have a single lick of depth, self-awareness, or humanity. You'd think we'd learn that racist dipshits lack any of the aforementioned from thousands of years of history, and decades of seeing them in action. I think there's a kind of liberal illusion that you can concoct something heart-rending enough or whatever that'll cause the EDL and people like that to realise, finally, that their violent idiocy is not the way, as if their beliefs actually depended on the factual reality of their assertions about Muslims. Let's imagine I'm a racist and I say 'oh, those loving Muslims are all horrible primitives, how dare we spend British money on them!' You decide to point out that Malala Yousafzai was shot in the face opposing the people I hate. What do I say? If I'm a racist, I'll probably reason that she's 'One of The Good Ones,' but nevertheless Islam is basically a bad thing. If I'm a serious racist, though, I'll go even further: not only is Malala bad, she's in fact even worse and more dangerous than the Taliban she only apparently opposes, who at least show their brutal and regressive face, and that she appears as a brave young woman opposing repression and so on is a sign of Islamic perfidy. Both Wayne and Deirdre's comments seem to say something like this, and even seem to go further by criticising British perfidy -- "must b desperate for us to like these stone age scumbags" -- as complicit in white-washing Muslim crimes, inviting more terrorism and moral degradation, etc. (Jesus, it was disgusting to write all this.)
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Eggn0g posted:So, you would have thought that trying to help a girl who was shot in the head because she belived in equal rights for education is something everyone can get behind, right? What the EDL do not realise because their heads are full of poo poo is that the treatment of Malala is not costing the British taxpayer a penny. Her treatment is being wholly paid for by the government of Pakistan. Of course, that's beside the point.
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Wasn't there a similar thing where much of the british right-wing were either ambivalent about or hostile to Salman Rushdie, primarily for being an Asian hoovering up police resources, in their eyes, though most of them did an about face post 9/11? Edit: A recent example http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206929/Salman-Rushdie-Set-make-millions-book-life-fugitive-fatwa.html Mr.Hell fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Oct 20, 2012 |
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Something to brighten your weekend Article copied because the EDLnews site is a little temperamental, extra fun bits bolded: quote:Tommy Robinson and 53 EDL supporters held after Police Motorway Sting The story is still unfolding. [eta] OH GEE, I WONDER HOW THE POLICE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY FOUND THIS OUT?   Some claims coming out that the Daily Star Sunday was on site. Other claims hinting at other revelations that can't be made public just yet - bit of a buzz going round that this has put the EDL in very, very deep poo poo. KayTee fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Oct 20, 2012 |
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 Nationalist UK is Michael Wood, BFP head of proper gander. Nationalist UK Twitter posted:Who was present is irrelevant. Pity an informant scuppered the plan. Would've been a brilliant flash demo. #EDL #BFP Irrelevent people include:  Tommeh's twitter just two days ago:  I wonder what they were planning?
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KayTee posted:Something to brighten your weekend Not in England, but 73 far right militants of "Generation Identity" invaded the Poitiers Mosque's building site and put banners saying "Charles Martel defeated the Arabs in Poitiers in 732" and making fascist salutes. http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/topnews/20121020.AFP2672/poitiers-coup-d-eclat-de-militants-d-extreme-droite-a-la-grande-mosquee.html  loving hell, what the gently caress is wrong with these people.
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Mr.Hell posted:Wasn't there a similar thing where much of the british right-wing were either ambivalent about or hostile to Salman Rushdie, primarily for being an Asian hoovering up police resources, in their eyes, though most of them did an about face post 9/11? This isn't surprising. The Satanic Verses is at least as much a critique of how horribly racist the Metropolitan police are as it is about Islam.
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Mr.Hell posted:Wasn't there a similar thing where much of the british right-wing were either ambivalent about or hostile to Salman Rushdie, primarily for being an Asian hoovering up police resources, in their eyes, though most of them did an about face post 9/11? I have heard (but I don't know how true it is) that in pre-9/11 days, the far-right was much more accommodating to Muslims, seeing them as a 'natural' ally against the classic far-right bugbear, Jewish people.
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Igiari posted:I have heard (but I don't know how true it is) that in pre-9/11 days, the far-right was much more accommodating to Muslims, seeing them as a 'natural' ally against the classic far-right bugbear, Jewish people. Probably true - but then the EDL, and the far right, will pretty much accept anyone they they can get to spout their bilge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBT9aoeXdWM This is Abdul Salaam. He has genuine mental health issues and is exploited because he'll readily accept and repeat anything his EDL minders/handlers tell him. He is regularly pointed at as the EDL's "Muslim friend" to prove that they're not racist. He is "affectionately" referred to as "Paki Abdul" and, as the interviewer pointed out, was treated like a loving pet - with facebook groups holding pics of EDL members petting him, kissing him on the head and all the rest - just pure dehumanizing, humiliating inhuman treatment. e: I could also mention Guramit Singh here - the EDL's Sikh representative - but he hasn't been seen since being discommunicated from the faith due to his activities, and after having a falling out with EDL organizers over owed money. KayTee fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Oct 21, 2012 |
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Igiari posted:I have heard (but I don't know how true it is) that in pre-9/11 days, the far-right was much more accommodating to Muslims, seeing them as a 'natural' ally against the classic far-right bugbear, Jewish people.  The American Nazi Party & The Nation of Islam.
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My international student friend has an EDL anecdote. They were holding a march through Durham a while back, and he went up to one of the guys organising it and asked, "So why don't you like immigrants? I work hard, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws, why don't you want me here?" This is genuinely the guy's response: "Aww, mate, you're not an immigrant! You're American!"  They talked about it for a while and he finally admitted he just meant he was white so he was "one of the good ones".
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Z-Magic posted:
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 Police brutality! Arrested for being British!   The debate over which woman is to blame begins... quote:A favourite tactic of the Left/State is to send females into an organisation to divide it.In the EDL it was a tactic used well as towards the end of 2010 several women appeared from nowhere and slowly climbed the ladder while at the same time forming alliances and charm with important EDLers. Before EDL began the same tactic has been used by the state to break up both left and right wing movements. Here's a gem: quote:a pretty smile and good legs have brought many things down over the centuries and we all know it gets what it wants. but if anyone is goin to change the power struture of this country euerybody is goin to have to join together and clear any problems out . said during ww2 careless talk costs lives. In the wake of this the EDL "Debate" page changed it's header to this:  I laughed so much that the tears trickled down my leg. And finally...  ...it begins.
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I've been on SA too long, all I can see in that last picture is Goatse. With Tommeh's head coming out of it.
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Stottie Kyek posted:I've been on SA too long, all I can see in that last picture is Goatse. With Tommeh's head coming out of it. Please, the image of stretched anus is way too nice for these fuckers.
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Zero Gravitas posted:I dont know, the image of an rear end in a top hat is appropriate. As a queerhawk, I feel obliged to say he lacks the warmth and depth.
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Apart from the Goatse comparisons, it also looks like he's being represented as an orb with fists on each side.
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I don't wanna throw up an empty post but... Jesus, you guys, the events over the last 48 hours have been utterly hilarious. I'm gonna have to put a big post together sometime tomorrow evening about all this, but it's too late now and I'm up early tomorrow morning. Watch this space...
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Zero Gravitas posted:Whats the five minute version? gently caress it - here's the cliffnotes:  53 arrests, including Tommeh, Kev Carroll and Michael Wood - this you know. All released on bail, with orders not to enter East London untill told otherwise - That's hosed their next demo. Kev's arest comes less than 24 hours after he'd forked over his £5k deposit and 100 signature application to be PCC. We don't know how this will affect his claim or his deposit. Tommeh arrested again for alleged assault on Sayful Islam (The mouthpiece of Islam 4 UK/Muslims Against Crusades/Al Majouroon/Nutters 'R Us) Tommeh arrested again on suspicion of fraud with re: Entering the US over 9/11 to pally around with Pam Geller. (The EDL page has the begging plate out) This:  Several emails along these lines have been sent. Meaning that there's some poor sod in a police station in London, Ontario Canada is scratching his head and asking: "Who're dees fuckwits, eh?"
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