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JohnnyHildo
Jul 23, 2002

Mons Hubris posted:

I left federal employment on 9/22, when should I expect my lump sum payment for annual and sick leave?

You won't get any payment for unused sick leave.

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Mons Hubris
Aug 29, 2004

fanci flup :)


JohnnyHildo posted:

You won't get any payment for unused sick leave.

Ok, what about annual then?

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Jan 23, 2002

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JohnnyHildo posted:

You won't get any payment for unused sick leave.
The trick is to find a doctor that says you're too sick to work.

Admiral BJ
May 28, 2005
Kicking ass and taking names

Mons Hubris posted:

Ok, what about annual then?

You should get it two weeks after your last paycheck. Sick leave stays with you if you ever work another federal job.

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Jan 23, 2002

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JohnnyHildo posted:

You won't get any payment for unused sick leave.
Policy has recently changed; you don't get payment for quitting, but FERS employees get paid for unused sick leave when we retire now. Only in one-month chunks, though.

http://www.fedsmith.com/2010/03/19/your-unused-fers-sick-leave-how/

Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre
If an announcement doesn't include moving expenses (PCS), can they be negotiated afterwards once selected?

Or do they have to be included as part of the announcement to begin with?

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

Tortilla Maker posted:

If an announcement doesn't include moving expenses (PCS), can they be negotiated afterwards once selected?

Or do they have to be included as part of the announcement to begin with?

Sure, the government is more than happy to accomodate an un-budgeted PCS move....hahahahah.

kinky sects
Apr 22, 2010
Hey guys, I'm pretty confused about the Time in Grade requirements. I'm presently a WG-08 step 2, and I'm looking to apply for a GS-11 position that has a similar skill set. I didn't know if that's too big of a jump? The position I'm in maxes out at a wg-13 but not for another 2 years.

Any advice/help is appreciated.

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!
How strict are those self-assessment questionnaires?

I'm applying for an Immigration Assistant position, and one of the questions is -

2. Which of the following statements best describes your experience and/or education?

A. I have successfully completed a full four-year course of study above the high school level in any field for which high school graduation or the equivalent is the normal prerequisite.

B. I have at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to the GS-4 grade level performing complex office automation duties using word processing to edit and reformat lengthy correspondance (sic) and reports. Create and maintain spreadsheets and databases; respond to inquiries by phone and/or in writing. Review and verifying accuracy and completeness of submitted documents for benefits.

C. I have a combination of successfully completed post-high school education beyond the second year (i.e., education in excess of the first 60 semester hours) and experience as described in B above that totals at least one year.

D. I do not possess the experience or education described above.

Technically, A is most accurate, but I would easily qualify for B if not for the last two words of the description. Is A "better," and do you think I could get away with claiming B if it isn't?

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008
I'm not sure about this and could be wrong, but I think that is more of a basic requirement in that you have to have one or the other (or the combination in C) in order to be even considered. They won't even look at your application unless you fit that requirement, but I don't believe education vs experience is scored in that sense and I don't think there is a "better" answer. Any of A, B, or C will get your resume into the dorr to be scored, but D will get it trashed immediately. For the later questions asking about your experience doing X or Y, obviously the "I've done this poo poo all the time by myself" answers are more desirable than the "I've had education on this but never done it" answers.

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Jan 23, 2002

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kinky sects posted:

Hey guys, I'm pretty confused about the Time in Grade requirements. I'm presently a WG-08 step 2, and I'm looking to apply for a GS-11 position that has a similar skill set. I didn't know if that's too big of a jump? The position I'm in maxes out at a wg-13 but not for another 2 years.

Any advice/help is appreciated.
When comparing WG to GS, you need to look at the base scales for each (EG, without locality pay) for a comparable step. So, if you make as much or more now than a GS-9 step 2, you'd be eligible.

Suntory BOSS
Apr 17, 2006

TwoSheds posted:

How strict are those self-assessment questionnaires?

I'm applying for an Immigration Assistant position, and one of the questions is -

2. Which of the following statements best describes your experience and/or education?

A. I have successfully completed a full four-year course of study above the high school level in any field for which high school graduation or the equivalent is the normal prerequisite.

B. I have at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to the GS-4 grade level performing complex office automation duties using word processing to edit and reformat lengthy correspondance (sic) and reports. Create and maintain spreadsheets and databases; respond to inquiries by phone and/or in writing. Review and verifying accuracy and completeness of submitted documents for benefits.

C. I have a combination of successfully completed post-high school education beyond the second year (i.e., education in excess of the first 60 semester hours) and experience as described in B above that totals at least one year.

D. I do not possess the experience or education described above.

Technically, A is most accurate, but I would easily qualify for B if not for the last two words of the description. Is A "better," and do you think I could get away with claiming B if it isn't?

Last month I had an appointment with an Air Force career specialist who explained the process to me. This may contradict with information others have received, or with positions in other branches of the military, so take the following with a grain of salt.

He explained that each answer is weighted with a certain number, and at the end of your self-evaluation you are assigned a numerical score based on your answers. For example, a 'D' answer could correspond to zero while an 'A' corresponds to 4, so that at the end your answers add up to anything from 20-50. Each position requires a certain self-evaluation score (unknown to applicants); if the cut-off is 45 and your scores only added up to 40, no human being will ever see your resume. As Manifest Dynasty noted, certain questions are probably flagged as mandatory as well, so that a 'D' answer bumps you off immediately.

If, on the other hand, you hit/pass the target number, then your application will proceed to a human being who will review your resume in order to validate your self-assessment answers. If you answered 'A- I am an expert and train others in this task', they will want to see in your resume where this has been displayed. Too many discrepancies and your resume is tossed.

Survive this process, and your resume goes on a list with the other eligible applicants. Your position on that list is determined by an automatically generated number, based on a combination of resume keyword matches with the position description and the overall score of your self-assessment. Most people hiring for a position are only going to look at the top 5 applicants (why bother looking at the 35th person on the list?).

The guy had a ton of suggestions for making it to that final list, including using the 'additional information' section to actually copy+paste the KSAs and then provide an example of how your experience corresponds with them:

quote:

1. Applicant must have knowledge of memes
While assigned as Internet Culture Specialist, I delivered over 150 briefings to unit commanders and other leadership figures...
2. Applicant must have skills in eating bacon
As Bacon Consumption Technician, responsible for eating over 200 strips of bacon over a 16 week period...

And so on..

Saxon
Jan 21, 2006
NEEDS MORE CRIT
I am going to be applying for a position which will require me to take an ACWA test...anyone have any experience with this? Is it something which will require some sort of preparation beforehand/is it even something you can prepare for?

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008
It's like the ACT's, basically. There are reading comprehension tests where you read a section, and it'll ask you what can/cannot be infered from the reading. Things like that. Some basic math questions as well. A quick google search turned up this sample:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/kc/forms/ACWASampleQuestionsAN3694.pdf

Saxon
Jan 21, 2006
NEEDS MORE CRIT

Manifest Dynasty posted:

It's like the ACT's, basically. There are reading comprehension tests where you read a section, and it'll ask you what can/cannot be infered from the reading. Things like that. Some basic math questions as well. A quick google search turned up this sample:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/kc/forms/ACWASampleQuestionsAN3694.pdf

Ah gotcha, thanks for clearing this up! I looked on OPM's website and wasn't quite sure if it was just a general aptitude test or if it was position specific.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
TwoSheds: your question refers to minimum experience criteria. A job may be looking for either A) A bachelor's degree, B) X years of equivalent work experience at progressively higher levels of responsibility blah blah... C) A combination of work experience and education equaling at least Y years, D) none of the above.

Teh thing is that A, B, and C are an "either or." to qualify you at that level as even having enough experience to merit being paid at that paygrade. It's not a substantive evaluation of your education. It's checking a box saying "Either went to college, or had enough work experience to substitute."

In that case, if the 4-year degree applies to you, check box A. It's the most accurate and saves you the time of having to have someone look through your experience to see if you really have that many years (and potentially messing it up or DQing you.)

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!
So I got a rating of 98 for the 5th paygrade of the immigration assistant position, but the automatic response also gave me an ID (unqualified) rating for the 6th and 7th paygrades. Is this good news or bad?

TwoSheds fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Oct 26, 2012

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008
It means that you are eligible to be hired at the GS 5 level, but not the higher levels. Eligibility for those were most likely determined by a question about having at least a year of experience at the GS-5 level, or a question about your gpa or post-secondary education (if they allow education to substitute for experience. Some positions do not.) Basically, your resume is now in the file for the position at the GS-5 level. It may or may not go to a hiring manager, based on the rating. Your score is good, but you are also probably competing against veterans who can score as high as 110. It is likely that you will never hear anything again, or you may get an email telling you that your resume was not referred on. Get used to it. Fire off a bunch more applications to jobs that interest you. Eventually you may get an interview.

You may want to apply to the ISO positions that just got posted in the last few days, if you live near (or are willing to relocate) to one of the sites. Looks like a few hundred openings just went live.

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!

Manifest Dynasty posted:

It means that you are eligible to be hired at the GS 5 level, but not the higher levels. Eligibility for those were most likely determined by a question about having at least a year of experience at the GS-5 level, or a question about your gpa or post-secondary education (if they allow education to substitute for experience. Some positions do not.) Basically, your resume is now in the file for the position at the GS-5 level. It may or may not go to a hiring manager, based on the rating. Your score is good, but you are also probably competing against veterans who can score as high as 110. It is likely that you will never hear anything again, or you may get an email telling you that your resume was not referred on. Get used to it. Fire off a bunch more applications to jobs that interest you. Eventually you may get an interview.

You may want to apply to the ISO positions that just got posted in the last few days, if you live near (or are willing to relocate) to one of the sites. Looks like a few hundred openings just went live.

Unfortunately I'm in NY. Seems that entry-level foot-in-the-door-type stuff is somewhat harder to come by here.

Well, at least I'm encouraged that my score wasn't bad. I'll keep plugging away as I see openings. I'm not crazy about being an ISO TBH, I was looking more along the lines of administrative/clerical type stuff, so I can turn that into something later as I gain the specialized G5 experience that all the other postings seem to require.

Gath
Sep 23, 2009
I've been referred ....

You have been rated qualified and referred for the position of (xyz) in BLM

What does this mean in the hiring process? Did I pass the basic review of my application?

How long before they hire me and pay me the big bucks? :qq:
The wait for responses and calls is killing me.

Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre

Gath posted:

I've been referred ....

You have been rated qualified and referred for the position of (xyz) in BLM

What does this mean in the hiring process? Did I pass the basic review of my application?

How long before they hire me and pay me the big bucks? :qq:
The wait for responses and calls is killing me.

I believe it means that the HR Specialist assigned to that job announcement determined that you're qualified for the position. The director/assistant director/branch chief, etc. will review those applicants deemed to have qualified and probably schedule interviews for those they find to be amongst the top applicants.

alternate.eago
Jul 19, 2006
Insert randomness here.
I'm interested in attempting to get a federal job. I'm pseudo-familiar with how the application process works. I've submitted a whole bunch of applications to federal agency's (however I am not a veteran, so I didn't get that sweet GS12 Public Affairs Position with the EPA in Ft. Meade). My question is that I've been a District government (DC City) employee for almost 3 years at this point, is there some way that this can count as points for getting hired?
Just curious, as I know the dc gov is slightly different than the states. I realllly love my job here, but as a term employee, I know I probably only have one more 13 month term here, so I'm a bit worried about job security (then the mayor changes, and will probably change the director of my agency and so on and so forth)....

I've been a federal contractor before (3 years, including DOD, and at the NRC) I really don't want to be a contractor again...... Any ideas or suggestions? I'm currently a CS12, which is about equal to some agency's GS12 positions. I've done IT, Public Affairs, and some permitting (special events for the city gov). But no college (about 6-7 years of FT Employment though). Is it even worth it to apply? I'd eventually like to go to college, but I want benefits like healthcare and tuition assistance.

magnum5
Jan 11, 2002

alternate.eago posted:

My question is that I've been a District government (DC City) employee for almost 3 years at this point, is there some way that this can count as points for getting hired?

...

Any ideas or suggestions? I'm currently a CS12, which is about equal to some agency's GS12 positions. I've done IT, Public Affairs, and some permitting (special events for the city gov). But no college (about 6-7 years of FT Employment though). Is it even worth it to apply? I'd eventually like to go to college, but I want benefits like healthcare and tuition assistance.

To the first question: No, it doesn't count any differently from any other non-Federal service.

To the second question: Read the position posting. There are minimum requirements for the position, and then requirements to qualify for higher levels. If the minimum requirements include a college degree (as is common for many positions), then no, no amount of experience can substitute for those minimum requirements and you would not be found to qualify.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

alternate.eago posted:

I'm currently a CS12, which is about equal to some agency's GS12 positions. I've done IT, Public Affairs, and some permitting (special events for the city gov). But no college (about 6-7 years of FT Employment though). Is it even worth it to apply? I'd eventually like to go to college, but I want benefits like healthcare and tuition assistance.

Many jobs allow work experience in lieu of a degree, but it will be listed in the posting so you just have to check.

Keep in mind that under the GS, the equivalency chart (for admin/clerical type jobs; professional/medical operate differently) goes like this.

facebook jihad
Dec 18, 2007

by R. Guyovich
I'm looking at a promotion in the next few weeks (GS-7-GS-9). How do the promotion/steps work again? I know it's you look at your step, go to the next GS level, pick the one closest to your pay and go up one step. My salary step is right between two values in the next GS level, and...well, if I round down I'm looking at a really meager promotion. How does the promotion pay scale work again?

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Jan 23, 2002

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crankdatbatman posted:

I'm looking at a promotion in the next few weeks (GS-7-GS-9). How do the promotion/steps work again? I know it's you look at your step, go to the next GS level, pick the one closest to your pay and go up one step. My salary step is right between two values in the next GS level, and...well, if I round down I'm looking at a really meager promotion. How does the promotion pay scale work again?
Round up and add a step.

Tommy 2.0
Apr 26, 2008

My fabulous CoX shall live forever!
OK, I did ctrl-f for 26 pages and only saw mention of Air Traffic Control one time, and that was some dude complaining about the hiring process.

Basically, the only other job that is better is winning the power ball. My wife and I are both controllers,and the pay/benefits can not be beat, especially for two people without a college education.

This is the pay scale: http://www.stuckmic.com/atc-information/7231-2010-2012-atc-payscale.html

We get 4 hours of sick leave and 6 hours of annual leave EVERY TWO WEEKS on top of our pay (minimum 4 of annual with max of 8). We also get overtime/holiday/night/Sunday pay to go with the leave and base pay.

Yeah, I try to point semi intelligent people to this route of work often but for whatever reason a lot of people dismiss it. You have to be very patient/focused getting through the initial bullshit of getting hired and trained, but after that? My god. I seriously don't know how I would do normal jobs again if I had to.

I figure since my job is a LOT like video games there would be more goons interested in it. Especially since if you go the college route to qualify to hire that the schools are only two years long. Once you get hired and you start your first day in Oklahoma City for their initial training, YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO TRAIN. This is important I think. My wife and I together, before we had any certifications, were pulling down 6 figures WHILE TRAINING. Not even fully checked out. Yea.

Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Nov 25, 2012

Noah
May 31, 2011

Come at me baby bitch
How does one go about getting hired as an Air Traffic Controller? Troll USA jobs essentially?

Tommy 2.0
Apr 26, 2008

My fabulous CoX shall live forever!

Noah posted:

How does one go about getting hired as an Air Traffic Controller? Troll USA jobs essentially?

Couple routes.

Military, get qualified there with the intention to get out and get picked up with the FAA. This is what I did, cause when I joined the USAF there were only 4 year schools to get in to ATC. I had zero money and didn't want to be in debt. In the interim of getting out of the USAF and getting hired with the FAA I had tons of offers to do contract or DoD ATC jobs (some overseas jobs upwards of 180k with no taxes). Also, you don't have to have done ATC in the military, you just have to be a vet. It helps substantially to actually have done ATC while you were in though. If this is the route you take to get qualled try to make certain you prioritize joining the USAF. Army/Marine controllers are considered to...well, not be controllers. Navy is wishy/washy. If it helps put it in perspective, my job in the USAF was to be an Air Traffic Controller. Being a military member came second. The other branches? Turn that around and you see why the training is better. You are just setting yourself up for better chances of success after you get out. This is not to say I haven't met good controllers from other branches, but that is only after they left said branch and were exposed to real air traffic.

CTI schools. This is a guarantee hire pretty much, just like the military route. If I had to do it all again, and there were two year school options, this would be the most obvious choice to me. These programs (at least the ones in NE Florida) specifically teach to get you qualified to get hired with the FAA and pass the initial screening in OKC.

Or basically win the job lottery and get hired as a OTS (off the street). This is pretty rare, and becoming even more so, but it does happen. I was actually hired under an OTS announcement, even though I was more than qualified under the VRA/CTO (military/Control Tower Operator).

Schmooze. It helps EXPONENTIALLY if you know someone with an in to get hired. I had to wait three years to get hired because I knew no one in the FAA to pick my name out of the massive list of names in the hat, even though I was prior military and experienced. There were a massive number of people that applied AFTER ME and were LESS QUALIFIED/NO QUALIFICATIONS that were hired before me. All due to them knowing someone. It is not uncommon to wait 1-3 years to get hired though, even if you do qualify. IT IS WORTH THE WAIT AND BULLSHIT If you are even being remotely queried by the FAA to do some silly rear end test across the country, in three days, you drop everything and you go do it. If you don't, you just threw away an amazing opportunity.

Seriously, how many other working jobs pay over 6 figures with massive benefits with only a 40 hour work week? And highly compensate you for working more than 40? You can make well over one thousand dollars just for working ONE HOLIDAY or ONE OVERTIME DAY. That is 8 hours. Eight. Ocho. A buddy of mine worked his holiday and had to do two hours of overtime on it. He made about 1500 for 10 hours of work.

Yeah.

edit: But yes, watch USA Jobs.

Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 26, 2012

sixstringsamurai
May 20, 2005
Float away, little butterfly. Just flutter away. I got a gig in Vegas. And the wastelands ain't no place for kids.
How important are cover letters, and college transcripts (no degree completed) being attached to my application; Also, how hard is it to get a job with the FBI in the maintenance tech field? Yes these are related.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

sixstringsamurai posted:

How important are cover letters, and college transcripts (no degree completed) being attached to my application; Also, how hard is it to get a job with the FBI in the maintenance tech field? Yes these are related.

Depends on the vacancy announcement. Useless for some; required for others.

As far as Federal jobs, start shotgunning. Unless you have Veterans points, noone is hiring until this cliff poo poo is resolved. Once you get career status, then you get to apply to the status only announcements.

sixstringsamurai
May 20, 2005
Float away, little butterfly. Just flutter away. I got a gig in Vegas. And the wastelands ain't no place for kids.
Well it's a GS-11/12 EX position that I went for, received this in my email, "Eligible - Application Not Referred to Selecting Official" so I guess that means I'm not going to get it or something then; and yea I've heard just apply to everything in the field you want to work in.

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Jan 23, 2002

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sixstringsamurai posted:

Well it's a GS-11/12 EX position that I went for, received this in my email, "Eligible - Application Not Referred to Selecting Official" so I guess that means I'm not going to get it or something then; and yea I've heard just apply to everything in the field you want to work in.
That means there were too many eligible resumes received, so they only forwarded the top-scoring ones; the hiring official is going to get a stack of resumes to figure out who to interview, but your resume will not be in the stack.

Vortex Street
Oct 23, 2010

I walked right out of the machinery
Nvmnd

Vortex Street fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Apr 14, 2014

sixstringsamurai
May 20, 2005
Float away, little butterfly. Just flutter away. I got a gig in Vegas. And the wastelands ain't no place for kids.

sixstringsamurai posted:

Well it's a GS-11/12 EX position that I went for, received this in my email, "Eligible - Application Not Referred to Selecting Official" so I guess that means I'm not going to get it or something then; and yea I've heard just apply to everything in the field you want to work in.

Apparently I'm dumb and it was the GS-13 EX position that wasn't referred, the GS-11/12 EX is still under review, time to go look for more things to apply to.

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


I'm an undergraduate student and I submitted some internship applications to the DoD a month or so back and got a call (went to voicemail because of school, I was so scared when I looked at my phone and saw "RESTRICTED" :ohdear:) and email about setting up a phone screen interview.

As far as I know, this is something typical of every applicant, correct? They just want to see if my resume was as given and get to know me before narrowing down the field, right?

e: Should mention that I applied for two internships, but I don't know which one I'm being contacted for.

Mecca-Benghazi fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Dec 5, 2012

HeroOfTheRevolution
Apr 26, 2008

Federal government will sometimes offer internships without even an interview, so that's a really good sign. You're probably correct in that it's going to be 'tell me a little about yourself' to make sure you're a human being, basically.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

HeroOfTheRevolution posted:

Federal government will sometimes offer internships without even an interview, so that's a really good sign. You're probably correct in that it's going to be 'tell me a little about yourself' to make sure you're a human being, basically.

Yeah that's been my experience with multiple agencies for internships. Quick discussion over the phone, then right into security clearance processing.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:

Federal government will sometimes offer internships without even an interview, so that's a really good sign. You're probably correct in that it's going to be 'tell me a little about yourself' to make sure you're a human being, basically.

That's good to know, as I can sometimes be a terrible interviewee. Just applied for a GAO graduate internship, hopefully that will be the case here.

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Ron Don Volante
Dec 29, 2012

Re: the importance of cover letters

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Depends on the vacancy announcement. Useless for some; required for others.

As far as Federal jobs, start shotgunning. Unless you have Veterans points, noone is hiring until this cliff poo poo is resolved. Once you get career status, then you get to apply to the status only announcements.



If a vacancy announcement doesn't specify to include a cover letter, does that mean I'm fine not attaching one? Do cover letters ever actually get read?

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