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XyloJW posted:then the Soviets and the UN spent 30 years leveling the country. LP97S posted:The UN, destroying Afghanistan for 30 years. So, do you not get conjunctions or...?
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XyloJW posted:So, do you not get conjunctions or...? I think the joke was that the common factor between the Soviet/UN destruction of the nation and the current war destroying the nation is the UN.
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Oct 29, 2012 22:18
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Oct 29, 2012 22:30
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Makes you wonder what would have happened if the US never sent funds to fighters in Afghanistan.
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Oct 29, 2012 22:40
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Mitchicon posted:Makes you wonder what would have happened if the US never sent funds to fighters in Afghanistan. The Soviets were the ones taking over and they weren't exactly known for being good to minorities they annexed, and the freedom fighters would have risen anyway. It would have most likely been a bloody war none the less.
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Oct 29, 2012 22:58
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Glitterbomber posted:The Soviets were the ones taking over and they weren't exactly known for being good to minorities they annexed, and the freedom fighters would have risen anyway. It would have most likely been a bloody war none the less. The fighters were waging a war well before the US allowed a cash flow into the country, true. It was very bloody well before US involvement. But I wonder if Afghanistan would have been better off eventually looking more like one of the Central Republics versus what it is today. That's assuming the Soviets could ever get it to that point.
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Oct 29, 2012 23:05
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ElmerTheWasabi posted:I got this great wall of text from a friend on Facebook: The most disgusting thing in this screed against Obama is that he appended a couple of totally apolitical and statements by friends of the deceased which have no connection whatsoever to him so as to make it seem as though they agreed with his bullshit. Goddammit that poo poo pisses me off.
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Oct 29, 2012 23:17
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Mitchicon posted:The fighters were waging a war well before the US allowed a cash flow into the country, true. It was very bloody well before US involvement. But I wonder if Afghanistan would have been better off eventually looking more like one of the Central Republics versus what it is today. That's assuming the Soviets could ever get it to that point. Obviously that's one of those questions we'll never know, but if I had to guess based on history I'd say that regardless of our involvement the Soviets would be beaten by the insurgency, through attrition most likely, and we'd wind up with the same problem of extremists using the power gap to seize control. Sadly the core problem in cases like that is extremists manipulating the local culture for personal gain and waiting for an opening.
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Oct 29, 2012 23:23
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Goatman Sacks posted:Someone on my facebook feed posted this, and I responded with "Humans aren't wild animals". You should tell them, "no one mentioned race, not even you." They will be so eager to disagree with you... "Yes I did!!!."
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"Humans are equivalent to wild animals? That's a pretty radical tack you've taken there, friend. When'd you join PETA?"
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Oct 30, 2012 01:16
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XyloJW posted:Actually women's rights were a big deal in Afghanistan up till the 80's when the US-backed Taliban took up started taking control from the Soviet-backed government. King Amanullah's 'pro-woman' stances were what got him overthrown, what little reforms he attempted to make were repealed by the next line of monarchs who knew better than to tempt fate. Nobody bothered with women related reforms until the 70s when Daud Khan overthrew the monarchy, the communists were far more concerned with land reforms and factional infighting than women's rights. quote:Afghanistan used to be a modern nation, until the Taliban took control and started rolling back all the progress made in the 20th Century, and then the Soviets and the UN spent 30 years leveling the country. Outside of Kabul, Herat and maybe Mazar i Sharif, Afghanistan was still stuck in the middle ages well into the 1970s/1980s for various reasons, largely due to the fact that the vast majority of the country was outside the influence of the central government. Also the Taliban didn't emerge until 1994, by the time they took power (1996) the country had already been through over 15 years of war. They weren't exactly US backed either seeing as how Operation Cyclone ended in 1989. TheIllestVillain fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Oct 30, 2012 |
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Oct 30, 2012 02:18
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TheIllestVillain posted:Also the Taliban didn't emerge until 1994, by the time they took power (1996) the country had already been through over 15 years of war. They weren't exactly US backed either seeing as how Operation Cyclone ended in 1989. Isn't the issue that people usually raise, that the US backed, trained, and armed the groups that then helped put the Taliban in power? Not, whether or not we were still helping them in 1996?
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Oct 30, 2012 02:29
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Sarion posted:Isn't the issue that people usually raise, that the US backed, trained, and armed the groups that then helped put the Taliban in power? Not, whether or not we were still helping them in 1996? Not quite, the vast majority of the Operation Cyclone dollars went to specific groups that eventually made up the Northern Alliance, the same group who fought the Taliban from 95 onward until they removed them from power with US help following 9/11. The onus of responsibility falls completely on Pakistan, they funded and armed the Taliban when they realised there were no Pakistani friendly militias capable of taking over Kabul on their own. They originally hedged their bets on this guy but he was incredibly unreliable and well, nobody liked him.
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Oct 30, 2012 02:43
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TheIllestVillain posted:Not quite, the vast majority of the Operation Cyclone dollars went to specific groups that eventually made up the Northern Alliance, the same group who fought the Taliban from 95 onward until they removed them from power with US help following 9/11. Fair enough. It's really an area I know relatively little on. Thanks! The SARS Volta posted:This was Facebook'd by a Easter European, by the way I don't know why you guys are hating on this image. It's completely accurate in every way. It must be, those are pictures! Just like this picture:  Makes it abundantly clear that in 2008, Iraq had ceased to be a war torn nation like it was in 1965. It was party time!
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Oct 30, 2012 03:03
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TheIllestVillain posted:Not quite, the vast majority of the Operation Cyclone dollars went to specific groups that eventually made up the Northern Alliance, the same group who fought the Taliban from 95 onward until they removed them from power with US help following 9/11. Thanks for this! I was just going on a brief wikipedia browsing and something someone'd said once. I had no idea!
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Oct 30, 2012 03:10
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What is happening to those people's legs? That is not a dance.
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quote:Everyone should demand the truth regardless of party. Country first!  
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Arglebargle III posted:What is happening to those people's legs? That is not a dance.  What's happening to this man? He's in agony! That's no dance!
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Oct 30, 2012 10:29
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Sarion posted:Fair enough. It's really an area I know relatively little on. Thanks! This Gangnam style poo poo is getting out of hand.
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Oct 30, 2012 11:29
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TheIllestVillain posted:They originally hedged their bets on this guy but he was incredibly unreliable and well, nobody liked him. Hey, Milt Bearden personally gave money and Stingers to that acid-throwing prick, even while thinking to himself he probably should just shoot the rear end in a top hat in the face and walk away. It wasn't totally the Pakistanis who were financing and arming the Taliban.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:
Oh my god you're right! How does his neck not break?
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I loving hate Facebook. From my father-in-law: I'm tempted to replace the image with this.  But I don't think he'll get the point.
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Oct 30, 2012 16:10
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Oct 30, 2012 16:12
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This Benghazi poo poo is getting real old. Nobody outside the echo chamber knows why we're supposed to be angry and the overreaction has basically turned off low-info voters. But gotta get that two-minute hate in.
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Someone I know who usually isn't completely batshit crazy posted this on facebook:quote:On November 5th 2012 we the people will march on Washington DC peacefully and unarmed to arrest all members of congress, the president, and all supreme court justices where they will be held without bond until a full independent investigation and trial have been completed. We must re-elect our government within 90 days in order to stave of unrest. Is this a thing?
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Yes I believe it's called treason.
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What? "We're going to create a crisis for no real reason, and then we must act to solve this crisis in 90 days or else disaster."
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WickedIcon posted:Someone I know who usually isn't completely batshit crazy posted this on facebook: I just pluged that whole paragraph into google and its the description for this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-33CdZ9tnQ 121 minutes long.  Im scared guys. http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/march-on-washington-dc-5th-nov-2012-to-make-a-citizens-arrest Also this. quote:On November 5th 2012 WE THE PEOPLE will march on Washington DC peacefully and unarmed to arrest all members of congress, the president, and all supreme court justices where they will be held without bond until a full independent investigation and trial have been completed. We must re-elect our government within 90 days in order to stave of unrest. One comment on infowars quote:Yeah good luck with that.  Bombadilillo fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Oct 30, 2012 |
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Oct 30, 2012 16:32
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Tell them to bring video so I can see right wing crazies getting tazed live on TV.
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Oct 30, 2012 16:33
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crazy posted:Hopefully there are some Sheriffs, US Marshals, and military personnel that will remember their oaths to this country upon the taking of this action by the people and lend their support and expertise in bringing known criminals to justice. Oh, I agree completely.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Tell them to bring video so I can see right wing crazies getting tazed live on TV. I don't think this is solely right-wing crazies. Plenty of left-wing crazies are "revolutionaries" too.
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Oct 30, 2012 16:43
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WickedIcon posted:I don't think this is solely right-wing crazies. Plenty of left-wing crazies are "revolutionaries" too. God I hope Ted Rall shows up
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Oct 30, 2012 16:44
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Mikael Kreoss posted:God I hope Ted Rall shows up I'm sure you do. But it's a small faternity, and he has enough enemies as it is. Not to mention, it's not his job to start the revolution--it's the revolutionary group's.
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Oct 30, 2012 16:48
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:This Benghazi poo poo is getting real old. Nobody outside the echo chamber knows why we're supposed to be angry and the overreaction has basically turned off low-info voters. They have to push it, because it is all they have. The problem is, the narrative demands that Democrats are weak on foreign policy. But Obama has been anything but: Iraq war over with relative stability left behind, Afghan surge, Gaddaffi overthrown with US support but no real cost to the US, Osama Bin Laden dead. The one thing they could legitimately criticize him for (drone strikes) is something they like! The fact that the attack in Benghazi was very confusing at first is all they've got, even if they have to totally fabricate a bunch of crap around a few slivers of truth. It's the only foreign policy button they can press, so... 
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Bombadilillo posted:^^^^I do believe this is 100% a left wing crazy. Note the peacful overthrow. Ah, missed the peaceful part. Well in that case we will get to see left wing crazies getting tazed. I'm all for the socialist revolution comrade, but you aren't getting one in the USA peaceful or otherwise anytime soon. Law enforcement loves arresting, beating up and tazing peaceful protesters. The DC guys have this kind of thing down to a science and will dismantle the whole thing with minimal fuss.
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Bombadilillo posted:
Holy poo poo, they've actually found the line between batshit insane and too crazy for the infowars crowd. I didn't believe it actually existed.
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Sarion posted:...Gaddaffi overthrown with US support but no real cost to the US... I remember just as that was ramping up. Conservatives were going on about how it was going to be another Afghanistan/Vietnam and comparing it to the invasion of Iraq. I don't think I've heard it mentioned in a while...
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TerminalSaint posted:I remember just as that was ramping up. Conservatives were going on about how it was going to be another Afghanistan/Vietnam and comparing it to the invasion of Iraq. Yeah, it's not really something they want people remembering. First it was, "He's not being tough enough!", then "Another Vietnam!", then "Obama is leading from the back!". In the end it all went really well, and could be seen as a major victory for Obama's take on foreign policy. So now they just hope that everyone forgets.
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Nah now it's "That idiot Obama let MUSLIMS take over the country! We're doomed!"
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