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japtor
Oct 28, 2005

mediaphage posted:

Then I think you're fine. Pick one up, toss in an SSD and throw Lion on it.
And worst case I think it could get flipped for about the price of a new Mac mini...which, CPU wise at least, would be faster.

blowingupcasinos posted:

If I wanted to bootcamp a Macbook Pro would I need the 256GB flash drive?
Nope.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

You can get by with a 30gig Windows partition.

Bing the Noize
Dec 21, 2008

by The Finn
I have a 2.7ghz Power Mac G5 tower with a defective video card I want to use as a dedicated server.

I know everything about the Mac except the graphics card works. It's going to become a headless server and will probably run some variant of BSD (maybe Fedora or Gentoo tbh).

I've set up headless PC's before but trying to set up a headless Mac like this I have never tried to do before??? Is it not even possible without a monitor to do such a thing (in my experience holding C to boot from a Linux PPC CD works only some of the time)

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
Oh the latest Hypercritical podcast, John Siracusa seemed utterly certain that a fusion drive will never make its way into an MBP. That really sucks - a retina MBP with fusion drive is basically the computer that will finally make me say "yup, this is the future".

(well, other than a machine with a > 2GB SSD, but I think those days are still a while off).

Athletic Footjob
Sep 24, 2005
Grimey Drawer

Lexicon posted:

(well, other than a machine with a > 2GB SSD, but I think those days are still a while off).
Can't even imagine what that'd be like.

mdtyson
Jul 21, 2008
My early 2009 Mac Mini seems to have recently fried a couple of its USB ports. Upon booting I get a "Because a USB device was drawing too much power from your computer, one or more of your USB devices has been disabled" message even though there is nothing plugged in via USB. I have tried resetting the SMC and PRAM as well as booting in safe mode. (When I boot into safe mode the message does not appear.) As I have removed the optical drive and added an SSD as well as a larger HDD, and my AppleCare expired early last month, I don't think taking it into the Apple Store will benefit much - though I would be willing to restore it to stock if someone knows something I don't. Eh... I guess my question is am I missing something here? Do I just have to soldier on with two disabled USB ports? If it's a short will the problem spread and gently caress my logic board? ¿Ayúdame?

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Blodskur posted:

Can't even imagine what that'd be like.
:laugh:

mdtyson posted:

My early 2009 Mac Mini seems to have recently fried a couple of its USB ports. Upon booting I get a "Because a USB device was drawing too much power from your computer, one or more of your USB devices has been disabled" message even though there is nothing plugged in via USB. I have tried resetting the SMC and PRAM as well as booting in safe mode. (When I boot into safe mode the message does not appear.) As I have removed the optical drive and added an SSD as well as a larger HDD, and my AppleCare expired early last month, I don't think taking it into the Apple Store will benefit much - though I would be willing to restore it to stock if someone knows something I don't. Eh... I guess my question is am I missing something here? Do I just have to soldier on with two disabled USB ports? If it's a short will the problem spread and gently caress my logic board? ¿Ayúdame?
What does System Profiler (or uh, "System Information" nowadays?) show under USB? Weird that it doesn't show up under safe mode, got any other boot up disks to try like Lion's recovery partition? As for nothing being plugged in, I think the Bluetooth adapter is connected through USB (possibly other stuff but I forget). Ever run any third party driver/hack for Bluetooth stuff by any chance? That's the only direct obvious culprit I can think of as to why it wouldn't show up in safe mode, assuming it's able to pop up that error in the first place.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Lexicon posted:

Oh the latest Hypercritical podcast, John Siracusa seemed utterly certain that a fusion drive will never make its way into an MBP. That really sucks - a retina MBP with fusion drive is basically the computer that will finally make me say "yup, this is the future".
What was his reason?

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

What was his reason?

Basically, Apple's laptops are moving to all SSD, getting thinner and lighter, and re-introducing spinning disks would be a step backwards rather than adhering to the usual relentless march of progress.

mdtyson
Jul 21, 2008

japtor posted:

What does System Profiler (or uh, "System Information" nowadays?) show under USB? Weird that it doesn't show up under safe mode, got any other boot up disks to try like Lion's recovery partition? As for nothing being plugged in, I think the Bluetooth adapter is connected through USB (possibly other stuff but I forget). Ever run any third party driver/hack for Bluetooth stuff by any chance? That's the only direct obvious culprit I can think of as to why it wouldn't show up in safe mode, assuming it's able to pop up that error in the first place.

I don't gently caress around with Bluetooth and System Information doesn't let on that anything's damaged. (To my knowledge.)

No boot discs - upgraded from the App Store since Lion.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Lexicon posted:

Basically, Apple's laptops are moving to all SSD, getting thinner and lighter, and re-introducing spinning disks would be a step backwards rather than adhering to the usual relentless march of progress.

That makes perfect sense to me. I can't imagine that Apple would ever keep the two-tiered MBP roster around any longer than absolutely necessary. As soon as they find a way to bring the retina model pricing more inline with that of the older chassis, it's going to be the standard. It's quite obvious that there's no way to fit a platter drive into an rMBP- even if they wanted to do it- so it's a moot point there. They're doing the bare minimum to keep the MBP classic relevant to prospective buyers, but even a partial chassis redesign to accommodate the extra chips would be a bridge too far for a computer that's only still around because it's their best selling model. Consider that it's the only computer in the lineup that still has a SuperDrive (aside from the Mac Pro), when even the iMac doesn't have one anymore. Apple couldn't be more obvious about saying that the MBP is yesterday's news, and popping a Fusion drive setup in there contradicts that.

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Oct 28, 2012

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Electric Bugaloo posted:

That makes perfect sense to me. I can't imagine that Apple would ever keep the two-tiered MBP roster around any longer than absolutely necessary. As soon as they find a way to bring the retina model pricing more inline with that of the older chassis, it's going to be the standard. It's quite obvious that there's no way to fit a platter drive into an rMBP- even if they wanted to do it. They're doing the bare minimum to keep the MBP classic relevant to prospective buyers, but even a partial chassis redesign to accommodate the extra chips would be a bridge too far for a computer that's only still around because it's their best selling model. Consider that it's the only computer in the lineup that still has a SuperDrive (aside from the Mac Pro), when even the iMac doesn't have one anymore. Apple couldn't be more obvious about saying that the MBP is yesterday's news, and popping a Fusion drive setup in there contradicts that.

Yeah, there's no way it's making it into the optical-drive MBP. That thing is clearly on its way out.

I'll take your word for it that an rMBP won't accomodate a platter drive - but if that's the case, that sucks. It's not as though the thinness was a design constraint they had to work around - they're the ones who decided it should be that thin. If that means having to forego a new technology that they've spent time developing, and for which there is a clear demand, well that seems like a pyrrhic victory to me.

I want spinning disk storage to die as much as anyone... but we're not at the point where SSDs can replace it (at least not economically).

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
They could carve out some battery if future components reduce consumption enough but I figure that'd be just a stopgap (until flash gets cheap enough) and not worth the effort. I could see the old MBP style possibly sticking around with fusion drive if retina screens don't come down in price enough by the time the next cycle comes around.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


ACID POLICE posted:

I have a 2.7ghz Power Mac G5 tower with a defective video card I want to use as a dedicated server.

I know everything about the Mac except the graphics card works. It's going to become a headless server and will probably run some variant of BSD (maybe Fedora or Gentoo tbh).

I've set up headless PC's before but trying to set up a headless Mac like this I have never tried to do before??? Is it not even possible without a monitor to do such a thing (in my experience holding C to boot from a Linux PPC CD works only some of the time)

I'd just search for ATI Radeon 9600 on Amazon, or get this for $65 and save yourself the hassle.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Lexicon posted:

(at least not economically).
This has really been, at best, an afterthought for Apple. They know the products need to be affordable, but at the same time, "affordable" takes a different meaning when referring to a Mac or and iPad or an iPhone.

I think to Apple, the hard drive is as obsolete as the optical drive was a few years ago (read: only obsolete in their plans, but worth phasing out anyway).

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Sonic Dude posted:

This has really been, at best, an afterthought for Apple. They know the products need to be affordable, but at the same time, "affordable" takes a different meaning when referring to a Mac or and iPad or an iPhone.

I think to Apple, the hard drive is as obsolete as the optical drive was a few years ago (read: only obsolete in their plans, but worth phasing out anyway).

I agree, and it puzzles me all the more that they went to the effort to make fusion drives then. It's a technology that fundamentally exists for economic reasons solely.

Coughing-up Tweed
Jun 12, 2006

Lexicon posted:

I agree, and it puzzles me all the more that they went to the effort to make fusion drives then. It's a technology that fundamentally exists for economic reasons solely.

It's just a neat, "Hey, this is pretty great, right?" thing to help sell the new iMacs and a stopgap until larger SSDs become viable. At least it's assuring that Apple is tinkering around with their file system.

mongoibur
Jun 10, 2005

take my breath away
I've ben playing games through bootcamp on my 2009 imac for years, but yesterday it overheated and shut down while playing dishonoured. I had to remove and reinstall the memory modules before it would start again. I've tried to clean out some dust, but I'm afraid to try again. Will the heat damage anything?

wheez the roux
Aug 2, 2004
THEY SHOULD'VE GIVEN IT TO LYNCH

Death to the Seahawks. Death to Seahawks posters.

Coughing-up Tweed posted:

It's just a neat, "Hey, this is pretty great, right?" thing to help sell the new iMacs and a stopgap until larger SSDs become viable. At least it's assuring that Apple is tinkering around with their file system.

Can we expect them to break away from HFS or have they given up on doing that in the foreseeable future because of the ZFS debacle?

pipebomb
May 12, 2001

Dear God, what is it like in your funny little brains?
It must be so boring.
I feel like I'm using my new 13" MBPr wrong. At 'Retina' default, it's nice and clear, but everything's loving huge. In order to actually use it, I've had to take it to 1650x1050 ( http://displaymenu.milchimgemuesefach.de is handy).

Everything still looks very nice and crisp and I can now use it like I want to - but the nagging feeling is that by not using the 'recommended' setting, I am missing something.

Ease my mind or tell me I am using it wrong, please. I mean, what's the point of having massive resolutions if it is being used at 1280x*?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

You're using it right. The default setting is for old people.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
Yeah that's exactly how the 15" worked too. The point of the default is a crapload of extra detail (sharper text/pictures/etc) at the same size a la iPhone/iPad retina displays, while the others let you use the extra resolution for more usable screen space.

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it you little ho-bot :roboluv:

GPU via Thunderbolt looks like it will be very useful, when it eventually comes to market.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lucid-gpu-graphics-thunderbolt-external,17520.html

I was thinking of upgrading my old (2007-ish) iMac to one of the new ones, but I'm so keen on the way they seem to be sealed units, and you can't even replace the RAM. So a decent Mac Mini with an external GPU sounds like it would make a surprisingly powerful desktop suitable for gaming as well.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Stoatbringer posted:

GPU via Thunderbolt looks like it will be very useful, when it eventually comes to market.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lucid-gpu-graphics-thunderbolt-external,17520.html

I was thinking of upgrading my old (2007-ish) iMac to one of the new ones, but I'm so keen on the way they seem to be sealed units, and you can't even replace the RAM. So a decent Mac Mini with an external GPU sounds like it would make a surprisingly powerful desktop suitable for gaming as well.

This is what I'm waiting for to really feel like the future is here. I don't care if you have to plug the card itself into a power plug being able to hot swap desktop strength cards on a retina MBP would be loving amazing.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Lexicon posted:

It's not as though the thinness was a design constraint they had to work around - they're the ones who decided it should be that thin. If that means having to forego a new technology that they've spent time developing, and for which there is a clear demand, well that seems like a pyrrhic victory to me.

It isn't a pyrrhic victory, because as long as Jony Ive's been in charge of designing Apple products, the tactile/perceived interface between the user and the machine has been a lot more important to the company than ticking spec boxes. This is a company that clung to a C2D/320M setup in its 13" notebooks long after it could be considered outdated because it was the best compromise they had between graphics performance, battery life, and chassis size despite all of the flack they got for it. They could have easily sacrificed some battery length or made the unibody bigger to accomodate more cells and some hungrier internals- and I'm sure lots of people would have loving loved it. But criticizing Apple for their unflagging commitment to thinness/portability and aesthetics is like criticizing a cat for making GBS threads in sand. I mean, it's kind of their thing.

I think that the fusion drive is only there as a way to get closer to unifying the experience between their portables and the iMac. People expect different things from a desktop and a notebook- or at the very least, they expect a substantial cost penalty to trying to get the best of both worlds. It's a lot easier to justify the cost (either in money or in space) of solid storage in a notebook than in a desktop- where the physical resilience/power consumption/physical size benefits are largely meaningless. At the same time, though, SSDs are obviously-and very noticeably (this is what's important to Apple)-faster than HDDs. Since very few people would give up their 1TB+ desktop drives, and even fewer would plop down an extra grand for 750gb-worth of SSD speed, Apple's using the Fusion drive as a stopgap solution to a largely desktop-only dilemma. It's easy to justify a 128gb SSD in a $1100 MacBook Air or a 750gb SSD in a $3500 rMBP. It only becomes troubling when your $1100 MBA has faster read/write speeds than your $2100 iMac.

Stoatbringer posted:

GPU via Thunderbolt looks like it will be very useful, when it eventually comes to market.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lucid-gpu-graphics-thunderbolt-external,17520.html

I was thinking of upgrading my old (2007-ish) iMac to one of the new ones, but I'm so keen on the way they seem to be sealed units, and you can't even replace the RAM. So a decent Mac Mini with an external GPU sounds like it would make a surprisingly powerful desktop suitable for gaming as well.

The RAM in the new 27" one is user-replaceable. There's a little hatch on the back of the case for it, and if it's anything like previous iMacs, it's probably a cakewalk to do it. I totally agree about the 21" one though- but gently caress that, 27" or bust.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
^^^ Good analysis and refutation of my whining.

I guess I'll just pray to the SSD gods for cheaper high capacities in the interim.

kuskus
Oct 20, 2007

mongoibur posted:

I've ben playing games through bootcamp on my 2009 imac for years, but yesterday it overheated and shut down while playing dishonoured. I had to remove and reinstall the memory modules before it would start again. I've tried to clean out some dust, but I'm afraid to try again. Will the heat damage anything?

Easy solution: Do you think your fans are behaving as they should under Windows? If not, manually crank them up with MacFan.
Regular solution: Did you remove the screen and blow canned air into the fan blades until they were clean? You might have years of dust fluffs.
Hard solution: disassemble iMac enough to remove video module, scrape off the years-old crusty thermal cake, apply Arctic Silver, then do the first two solutions.

Topical edit: I thought just the mention of Fusion drives in the last preso meant that each drive technology's progress had stalled out for a good enough while that, welp, this is what we've got.

kuskus fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Oct 28, 2012

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Are Macworld and Slashgear the only sites that have reviewed the 13" MBPr? I've been checking the big sites every day without any luck.

Justaddwater
Jul 4, 2006

How's bootcamped windows 7 on the retina 15" and 13"?

Might be time to upgrade from my original MacBook Air with windows xp.

Transistor Rhythm
Feb 16, 2011

If setting the Sustain Level in the ENV to around 7, you can obtain a howling sound.

So where does one buy a new or refurbished 27" i7 mid-20111 iMac right now, at a "blow out" price, before the new models come out?

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Transistor Rhythm posted:

So where does one buy a new or refurbished 27" i7 mid-20111 iMac right now, at a "blow out" price, before the new models come out?
Local brick and mortar stores? Apple doesn't "blow out" old refurbs any more than they do current refurbs so all I can think of is local stores that just have to unload them. Around me I think Frys and Micro Center (and perhaps Best Buy) are the ones I'd check, I vaguely remember them dumping old stock with decent discounts now and then.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Transistor Rhythm posted:

So where does one buy a new or refurbished 27" i7 mid-20111 iMac right now, at a "blow out" price, before the new models come out?

They'll probably have them for a while. The bad thing is, they don't really get discounted that much. Apple is famous for selling machines that are 2 generations old but have a high CPU speed for not very good discounts. You could get a lower MHz (but faster of course) i5 Macbook Pro for less than a generation older but higher MHz C2D MBP at one point.

MrMeowMeow
Aug 11, 2006
Seriously, what the hell is a Dim Mak?
Anyone have experience using an iPad as a Point-of-Sale for a business? I saw this and it looks pretty neat: http://www.shopkeep.com
Currently using an old rear end cash register with separate debit machine and just wanted to see if this would be a viable option in a bike shop where everything is dirty and greasy.

kuskus
Oct 20, 2007

^^ that's the default POS at Morelli's ice cream in Atlanta. They have a swivel/fulcrum stand that flops over itself toward the customer for tip / contact / confirmation. Seems to have worked out for the past couple of months.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

pipebomb posted:

I feel like I'm using my new 13" MBPr wrong. At 'Retina' default, it's nice and clear, but everything's loving huge. In order to actually use it, I've had to take it to 1650x1050 ( http://displaymenu.milchimgemuesefach.de is handy).

Everything still looks very nice and crisp and I can now use it like I want to - but the nagging feeling is that by not using the 'recommended' setting, I am missing something.

Ease my mind or tell me I am using it wrong, please. I mean, what's the point of having massive resolutions if it is being used at 1280x*?
Just installed that app on my 13" Retina. Looks so nice at 1650x1050. Thanks for the heads up :)

SuperSix
Aug 22, 2012
Is it worth getting the non retina 13" MBP at this point? I'm really needing a new lappy for college and I really can't stand my Celeron laptop at this point.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
I've been using my 2011 13" MBA more than usual lately and playing games that run down the battery each session. I'd be going through 5-7 cycles per week, but instead I kept the battery at 100%, then plugged it into AC power when I start up the games and unplugged it when finished. It's basically been at 100% all week.

Is there any point to doing this, given that it's basically as convenient for me either way, minus the time to unfurl the adapter wire? Am I really saving battery cycles during these peak activity periods? I know I can expect approximately 1000 (or about 2.75 years) of daily charge/recharge cycles where the battery performance is something like 80% or higher, but if I was planning to keep this Air for 3+ years am I really doing myself any favours or not?

Just figured I'd ask, I started doing it really to avoid lengthy recharge times and to avoid situations where I need to hit the road without the battery being at 100%, where things have been getting a little more spontaneous with work lately.

SuperSix posted:

Is it worth getting the non retina 13" MBP at this point? I'm really needing a new lappy for college and I really can't stand my Celeron laptop at this point.
No don't. The 13" Air is the same price and has better display and performance (due to the SSD, which is admittedly less storage space). It's so awesome just do it, it's perfect for your situation by the sounds of it.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

SuperSix posted:

Is it worth getting the non retina 13" MBP at this point? I'm really needing a new lappy for college and I really can't stand my Celeron laptop at this point.

The 13" MBP isn't a lost cause. You can get the current model on sale for $999, it has the longest battery life out of Apples 13" laptops, it has an optical drive, Firewire, ethernet, faster CPU than the Air, and you can easily upgrade the RAM (up to 16GB) and HD to whatever the hell is on sale at Fry's.

Syano
Jul 13, 2005
I bit yesterday on a 15inch rMBP. This will be my first mac ever and I am a little bit nervous about the prospect. This is going to be a work machine so I am hoping I am able to find all the tools or equivalent I am used to, to get my job done. A coworker got a MBP this summer and put win7 on it and actually never boots his OSX install at all anymore. I am determined not to do that... well, much.

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SuperSix
Aug 22, 2012

Kenny Logins posted:

No don't. The 13" Air is the same price and has better display and performance (due to the SSD, which is admittedly less storage space). It's so awesome just do it, it's perfect for your situation by the sounds of it.

Does the 1.8 ghz gimp any sort of light gaming? I'm planning to run Guild Wars 2 or Eve Online, and I always have a bad feeling about CPUs with low clock speeds.

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