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7c Nickel posted:I'm going to have to second the issues with Jones the eternal attractive white lady. Humans have been around for about 200 thousand years, but white people a quarter of that. This leads to 2 unappealing options. Actually, I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than two options. You're reaching pretty far for a reason to be offended.
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So Jones can't be hurt by anything normal. Not by a sword, not by punching a wall, not by fire, not by a loving buffalo charging into her. Coyote's Tooth can cut through anything. It can cut a shadow from the floor. What happens if you use a sword that can cut through anything on a woman who can't be hurt?
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Oct 30, 2012 16:09
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Freudian posted:What happens if you use a sword that can cut through anything on a woman who can't be hurt? Then you're a jerk.
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Oct 30, 2012 16:39
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Why are we talking about Homo Sapiens and white people? Jones obviously isn't either.Freudian posted:So Jones can't be hurt by anything normal. Not by a sword, not by punching a wall, not by fire, not by a loving buffalo charging into her. Not being able to be hurt by anything normal isn't the same as not being able to be hurt.
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Oct 30, 2012 17:21
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Jones is literally robot hitler
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Oct 30, 2012 18:32
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This whole chapter is Jones having PTSD style flashbacks provoked by Annie's question.
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Oct 30, 2012 18:37
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MikeJF posted:Excess melanin production is stimulated in response UV exposure, but there's a natural baseline level. You don't exactly need to put African babies in the sun to ripen them and turn them dark. Obviously, but the natural baseline level is lower depending on how far back you go (and it appears we're going pretty far back here). We (as a species) only started developing darker skin tone once we lost our body hair; I'm pretty sure that our hairy ancestors were comparatively light skinned because they were basically covered up 100% of the time. This is of course ignoring the fact that Jones is physically developed enough to fit in with modern day people, but yeah. I imagine there was a bit of a window there between "losing body hair" and "genetically predisposed to handling more sunlight without being covered" where people that looked like Jones wouldn't be uncommon, assuming a lack of tan.
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Oct 30, 2012 19:04
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Nipponophile posted:Actually, I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than two options. You're reaching pretty far for a reason to be offended. That's kinda the whole point of this entire forum.
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Oct 30, 2012 20:19
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Cabbit posted:Maybe being white isn't a mutation. Maybe Jones was the first white person, and all white people share her as a common ancestor. "No, Antimony, I am your mother^13!"
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Oct 30, 2012 23:07
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Ursine Asylum posted:This is of course ignoring the fact that Jones is physically developed enough to fit in with modern day people, but yeah. I imagine there was a bit of a window there between "losing body hair" and "genetically predisposed to handling more sunlight without being covered" where people that looked like Jones wouldn't be uncommon, assuming a lack of tan.
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Oct 30, 2012 23:18
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Or she's an alien that only coincentally resembles caucasian humans. Soon we're gonna see her climb out of a crater caused by the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. Then we're going to learn that travelling through space on a giant rock is really boring.
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Oct 30, 2012 23:33
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What if Jones experiences time in reverse
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Oct 30, 2012 23:40
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pandaK posted:What if Jones experiences time in reverse Merlin is a legendary character, but T. H. White's version of him is not... I think we've found our loophole!
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Oct 30, 2012 23:41
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Jones is immortal. My theory is that she's the product of some misguided court immortality/godhood experiment that went terribly wrong and resulted in her living forever. Literally forever, so she retroactively exists at every moment in time back to the formation of the universe. Having accidentally and irrevocably altered human history and the fundamental nature of reality forever, the court swears off this etheric science nonsense and decides to achieve their quest to become gods through the much safer avenue of robots.
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Oct 30, 2012 23:44
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I'm going to have to go with the theory that "Jones" is Lilith. In the Talmud (Tractate Sanhedrin 38b), Adam was initially created as a golem A similar version, related to the earlier Talmudic passages, recounts how Lilith was fashioned with the same substance as Adam was, shortly before. A Golem is inanimate matter brought to life with a set of instructions. This chapter is called "The Stone". Tom recently crated a "golem heart" shirt, and I am pretty sure we have not seen any golems in the story so far. I believe that Lilith was told to "serve man." If you look in all these flashbacks, she is simply doing what all the people are asking of her. sansuki fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Oct 30, 2012 |
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Oct 30, 2012 23:51
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DarkCrawler posted:Why are we talking about Homo Sapiens and white people? Jones obviously isn't either. sansuki posted:I'm going to have to go with the theory that "Jones" is Lilith.
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We HAVE seen Golems, though. Diego's original robots - Kat and the robots confirmed as much. See Chapter 33 for details!
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Oct 31, 2012 00:02
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Rats.
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Oct 31, 2012 00:04
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Cabbit posted:Maybe being white isn't a mutation. Maybe Jones was the first white person, and all white people share her as a common ancestor. Nipponophile posted:Actually, I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than two options.
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Urban Space Cowboy posted:I rather hope not, since suggesting all white people are descended from an immortal superhuman brings up its own unfortunate implications. Are they more or less unfortunate than the implication that there's an insane coyote trickster god living in a forest somewhere that can eat that moon if he wanted to?
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Oct 31, 2012 00:08
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I think Lilith would probably count as "existing mythology".Urban Space Cowboy posted:I rather hope not, since suggesting all white people are descended from an immortal superhuman brings up its own unfortunate implications. Unless other ethnic groups also descended from other immortal superhuman beings. Then it's just racist against the homo ergaster, and they're all dead so they will probably not complain too much about it.
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Cat Mattress posted:I think Lilith would probably count as "existing mythology". vvv I agree that this whole "seemingly immortal white lady" development COULD lead to concerns of ethnocentrism, but why don't we wait and see Tom's conclusion before going there? Fecha fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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Oct 31, 2012 00:13
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Ursine Asylum posted:Are they more or less unfortunate than the implication that there's an insane coyote trickster god living in a forest somewhere that can eat that moon if he wanted to?
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Oct 31, 2012 00:14
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No, no, no guys. Clearly Jones is Antimony's ancestor by virtue of the fact that she's clearly immune to fire and is therefore the only being capable of procreating with a fire elemental. Totally makes sense, fo reals. In all seriousness, I hope surprises us all and I have faith in him as a writer to come up with something both satisfying and compelling.
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Oct 31, 2012 00:33
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Fecha posted:The name "Wandering Eye" doesn't originate from an existing mythology. The rest of Jones' identity is fair game. Because we're not there yet and I have to pee.
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Oct 31, 2012 00:46
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Maybe Jones is a time traveller in a weird-rear end closed timelike loop. Pretty soon, forget about caucasian, we're going to have questions about why she's (apparently) homo sapiens when everyone around her isn't.
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Oct 31, 2012 00:48
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Why the hell is a complex multicellular entity hanging around with unicellular bacteria? 
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Oct 31, 2012 02:23
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SynthOrange posted:Why the hell is a complex multicellular entity hanging around with unicellular bacteria? Tom your eukaryocentrism is showing, check your privilege.
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Urban Space Cowboy posted:Yes, because white people exist in the real world while insane coyote trickster gods don't. .. Of course, that's just what they'd want us to think. 
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Urban Space Cowboy posted:Yes, because white people exist in the real world while insane coyote trickster gods don't. Wow it's like I took a hard right turn into Tumblrville. Can someone check my map for me? think the directions are off.
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Oct 31, 2012 03:02
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sansuki posted:I believe that Lilith was told to "serve man." If you look in all these flashbacks, she is simply doing what all the people are asking of her.  IT'S A COOKBOOK
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Speaking of Coyote's tooth, I am really interested in what's gonna happen when another sentient being gets cut by it, it seems to change them. Think about it, Shadow went from 2d to 3d, Robot discovered love, what the hell would've happened if Parley had tested that edge with her thumb? What's gonna happen if Jeanne gets a slice from that sword?
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ATP_Power posted:Speaking of Coyote's tooth, I am really interested in what's gonna happen when another sentient being gets cut by it, it seems to change them. Well, obviously her binding to the river will be severed and she'll be free to fly up to the Court and maim the souls of all those damned children with their gleaming, mocking hearts
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Rasamune posted:Well, obviously her binding to the river will be severed and she'll be free to fly up to the Court and maim the souls of all those damned children with their gleaming, mocking hearts Naw, see you just cut out the hole where her heart was, problem solved.
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In a fit of conscience, Tom redraws Jones in every page to exactly match the indigenous people, so as not to offend anyone. "Who are all these ladies in all these different time periods? They don't look identical, so they can't be Jones!" the thread cries out.
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Oct 31, 2012 07:50
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For those of you who were wondering, assuming geological epochs, this is between 2.5 million and 11,700 years ago.
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Oct 31, 2012 08:04
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I wish "Give absolutely no gently caress whatsoever" was a legitimate survival skill for cold exposure.
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Roger Explosion posted:I wish "Give absolutely no gently caress whatsoever" was a legitimate survival skill for cold exposure. Maybe that's the source of her power. Gives absolutely zero fucks. Matlock Birthmark fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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Oct 31, 2012 08:11
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Theory Time: Theres an entity that created the earth that is not omniscient and Jones is both their way to see whats going on as well as their method of direct intervention in worldly affairs.
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So Jones is basically confirmed pre-human, right? That just raises more questions!
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