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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Like I said, I do have some sympathy for these guys. A lot of them where just doing what they had always been told was the right thing. There's also the fact that the right-wing is very, very good at not just reinforcing people's beliefs and fears, but reassuring them that they're better than those they despise. I forget who posted it, but someone had a bit of dialogue between Hannity and a caller that was basically one big circle jerk of "You're a great American!" "No, you are!" That kind of ego massaging is unhealthy, to be sure, but it's also damned hard to break away from once you're used to getting it (which is why a lot of people in power surround themselves with yes-men, as well), and it's such a strong part of the reason why the right-wing media has been so successful. With the one hand they sow seeds of fear and mistrust and doubt towards women/minorities/foreigners/poor people, while the other hand's busy patting the listener on the back and telling them not to worry...because they are one of the real Americans. 
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As an example of the sort of thing you have to deal with in getting people off the Fox/Rush/Drudge junk habit, a friend of mine actually posted on FB that Obama has been "politicizing" the entire Hurricane Sandy event by sending FEMA and other government agencies in, and working directly with state and local government to get relief where it's needed. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is "showing how it should be done" by collecting canned goods, asking people to donate, and offering the usage of his campaign bus.  There really is no  big enough.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:As an example of the sort of thing you have to deal with in getting people off the Fox/Rush/Drudge junk habit, a friend of mine actually posted on FB that Obama has been "politicizing" the entire Hurricane Sandy event by sending FEMA and other government agencies in, and working directly with state and local government to get relief where it's needed. Damned Obummer! Who does he think he is, performing his job properly? 
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How do the media figures like the ones in the OP get started? They dont seem to be journalists so are they just right-wing letters-to-the-editor writers who get attention? Who or what made Rush?
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You really should ad Matt Drudge to your list, BiggerBoat. He's pretty much the voice of modern American conservatism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Drudge http://drudgereport.com/ A consistent stream of hatred, rooted in half-truths, populism, xenophobia, self-pity and, ultimately, fear of what our world has become. Take a look at the page, read the headlines, and observe the conservative philosophy at work. A few choice ones: MSNBC Ridicules Romney for Collecting Food, Supplies for Sandy Victims... Michael Moore/MoveOn.org: We will burn this motherf*cker down and c*ck-punch Romney... Quarter-billion-dollar stimulus grant creates just 400 jobs... CHICAGOLAND: Third of city schools flunk food inspections... Gore blames 'global warming'... FACEBOOK Censors Navy SEALS to Protect Obama on Benghazi... Pick and choose what you want to get outraged at! I'm curious about this subject though. What do you think a steady diet of someone like Matt Drudge does to the mind?
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Uncle Wemus posted:How do the media figures like the ones in the OP get started? They dont seem to be journalists so are they just right-wing letters-to-the-editor writers who get attention? Who or what made Rush? Glenn Beck was literally a morning zoo-type radio shock jock. Somehow he got transformed into a right wing political media figure on the way to getting hired by CNN to do right wing commentary, I have no idea if he even did any kind of political show prior to CNN. I don't think Rush's early starts in radio were necessarily political, he was trying to do sports and such, not sure how the transition to a politically oriented show happened. Edit: Of note, many of the right wing media darlings, if not most, don't even have a college education. This goes for Rush, Hannity, and Beck. Folks like Ann Coulter who actually have degrees from well regarded schools are the outliers.
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Uncle Wemus posted:How do the media figures like the ones in the OP get started? They dont seem to be journalists so are they just right-wing letters-to-the-editor writers who get attention? Who or what made Rush? Rush hitting radio at that time was like the perfect storm. He had the talent and personality to take a radio host job and set the world on fire with it. Few people could have done what he did. It takes a crass, fearless man to get on the radio and send out a stream of conservatism that is regressive enough that the common people can nod along with it. A guy like Rush is perfectly suited for the radio format since he can specialize in finding a subject and then riffing on it for as long as he needs to, while still having a perfect sense of timing. There's an art to his ranting in that it's perfectly designed to be book-ended by advertising. ShakeyDog fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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New ones right now are getting started on Youtube. Maybe not new Rushes (if there are, I'm not aware of them), but at least new Greg Gutfelds. It helps that they tend to be young-ish and the right is desperate for anyone at all under 40 to claim to be on their side. I'm thinking of Stephen Crowder and Lee Doren.
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Not sure where else to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr1jJhe04ug Chris Christie tells Steve Doocy to gently caress off, Mitt Romney can get bent, Obama did good.
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I believe the current political analysis holds that Christie wants Obama to be re-elected so he's in a good position for 2016. I don't think this is in the realm of conspiracy theory. We live in an age of perpetual Presidential elections and Christie is just doing some basic political math. It's a little cynical but not the worst of the worst by any means.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I believe the current political analysis holds that Christie wants Obama to be re-elected so he's in a good position for 2016. I don't think this is in the realm of conspiracy theory. We live in an age of perpetual Presidential elections and Christie is just doing some basic political math. It's a little cynical but not the worst of the worst by any means. It's also probably buying him a few points of approval rating in his currently quite liberal state.
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Super Joe posted:Saying that Republicans are fascists doesn't accomplish anything. All you are doing is introducing another buzzword into the lexicon i. e. socialist. The person you are talking to is unlikely to truly know what a fascist is anyway. You're much better of being more specific with your criticism. Especially when most of those people have been taught that fascism is a left wing construct.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I believe the current political analysis holds that Christie wants Obama to be re-elected so he's in a good position for 2016. I don't think this is in the realm of conspiracy theory. We live in an age of perpetual Presidential elections and Christie is just doing some basic political math. It's a little cynical but not the worst of the worst by any means. This isnt  at all. He did turn down running himself and presumably the VP position. If you want to run properly you dont do it against an incumbent, who killed Osama Bin Laden, and during a time when (despite the rights rhetoric) the economy is improving under.
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I think it's more an attempt on Christie's part to appear above the fray.
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ShakeyDog posted:Rush hitting radio at that time was like the perfect storm. He had the talent and personality to take a radio host job and set the world on fire with it. Few people could have done what he did. It takes a crass, fearless man to get on the radio and send out a stream of conservatism that is regressive enough that the common people can nod along with it. It was a combination of AM radio dying and having tons of cheap air time available combined with the more open, aggressive, and in your face type of radio that Howard Stern made popular, where you pretty much just say whatever and garner publicity from the FCC and studio censors going after you. Rush had failed several times in radio, and has even collected unemployment benefits on more than one occasion. He's also accepted the help of the ACLU when he had his drug problems. AM radio when Rush started was a loving wasteland. They couldn't give airtime away, let alone sell advertising. There was a giant vacuum there waiting to be filled by something and Rush struck lightening by basically inventing the concept of the "conservative rebel". There's a Tim Robbins mockumentary film called Bob Roberts that very cleverly encapsulates this concept, though it's hard to find anywhere. Rush cashed in on cheap air time and exploited all the put upon conservative squares who never had a chance to be rebellious and cool and felt left out because they were no fun at parties, weren't funny, never got laid, and never had any original ideas or thoughts of their own. There's a certain percentage of the population, a disturbingly large one in fact, that LIKES being told what to do and what to think about things. I don't think, as many have suggested in this thread, that the conservative listener seeks reinforcement of preconceived ideas, so much as they lack the confidence in their own thought processes to formulate ideas and opinions on their own. They're frightened of change and evolving thoughts and ideas, and that the "status quo" moves over time, so they turn to people who willfully exploit them for commercial gain and give them their opinions because adjusting their mindset is too much work and they lack the confidence to do so. They're scared of not being "cool" and desperately want to fit in to something but lack the ability to move forward. I usually have to wait 24 hours to know what my conservative friends think about anything. It's because they're waiting to be TOLD to think by their authority figures. It's not reinforcement, it's a lack of independent logic. ShakeyDog posted:You really should ad Matt Drudge to your list, BiggerBoat. He's pretty much the voice of modern American conservatism. Added. Thanks. I know I left him out and did a separate post once I realized my error, but I'll add it to the OP. ShakeyDog posted:I'm curious about this subject though. What do you think a steady diet of someone like Matt Drudge does to the mind? It makes smart people think dumb things and makes dumb people believe in and double down on their dumbness. It normalizes the fringe. Talk to my father in law. Drudge is his start up page. He's not a complete idiot. He's a retired accountant. We were talking about the Wall Street crash one time and I offered the idea that I'm just as well off betting on football games in Vegas than I am giving my money to Charles Schwabb to pick winners in the stock market and he said my opinion was "asinine". I don't see a huge difference between betting on the Philadelphia Eagles or betting on IBM or GE, and to me it's all gambling except one game isn't fixed. I know there are differences between sports betting and mutual funds, but I hardly think the comparison is asinine. Oh yeah, he's also a birther so maybe he is an idiot.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I believe the current political analysis holds that Christie wants Obama to be re-elected so he's in a good position for 2016. I don't think this is in the realm of conspiracy theory. We live in an age of perpetual Presidential elections and Christie is just doing some basic political math. It's a little cynical but not the worst of the worst by any means. I think it's as simple as Christie being smart enough to know that he'll need federal aid to keep his entire state from drowning on national television. He might be a True Believer and all, or maybe not, but say what you want about him, he's not a George W. Bush level dumb dumb. It bothers me that all it takes is for ONE conservative politician to praise President Obama and the left falls all over themselves saying how awesome he is, while the right can't wait to label him a RINO, but Bush had the support of almost every Democrat in congress up until he invaded the wrong country and somehow they were being treasonous.
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Bathtub Cheese posted:I think it's more an attempt on Christie's part to appear above the fray. I think this is incredibly cynical. Christie grew up in New Jersey, and he's just watched his own state get flooded out. From the very beginning Obama was in touch with him to get help where it was needed, and I honestly think he's grateful for the help. I mean poo poo, if Seattle sunk into the ocean from an earthquake and Bush came in to help deliver meaningful help I'd be singing his praises too.
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Solkanar512 posted:I think this is incredibly cynical. It's possible to be too cynical about politicians, but I don't think that anyone can mistake Christie's very obvious 2016 presidential ambitions. It might very well be that he's just grateful for the help, but it's not tinfoil hat country to think that he's working more than one angle.
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Solkanar512 posted:I think this is incredibly cynical. Christie grew up in New Jersey, and he's just watched his own state get flooded out. From the very beginning Obama was in touch with him to get help where it was needed, and I honestly think he's grateful for the help. The best political moves are both absolutely honest and cynically political at the same time.
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BiggerBoat posted:It's not reinforcement, it's a lack of independent logic. I don't think these 2 points are mutually exclusive. It is reinforcement in the sense that they have decided on a political tribe to belong to, and the radio pundits provide the latest reason why their tribe is best. Since politics is mufti-faceted and evolving, there is always a need for new reasons. So right now, they are going off on the Benghazi attacks, and listeners are getting reassured that their team is right because the other team got Americans killed. Other times they will cherry pick numbers that make Obama look bad, or even local numbers that make a Republican governor look good. And there is a lot of flat out lies, but the format doesn't allow for any real rebuttals. Even during the Clinton years, when the economy was generally good and Republicans were getting a lot of what they wanted passed through the legislature, right-wing pundits still got up everyday and hammered on any new example of why their team was right and the other was wrong. I do agree though that a lot of Americans do rely heavily on leaders to get them through the day. And some of these people will take literal marching orders if they are handed down. In a lot of ways, we are lucky that right-wing pundits have the attention span of an average Americans and are more interested in making some easy money than being revolutionaries.
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Jazerus posted:The best political moves are both absolutely honest and cynically political at the same time. I don't envy Christie's position at the moment. His remarks make a lot of sense on a couple levels though. His state is now a disaster area, and he has no doubt under a lot of stress and little sleep. Photo ops and campaigning potshots are not on his list of priorities. Also, Christie's presidential aspirations were largely riding on New Jersey doing economically well, and now he is the governor of a (near term) economic money pit. Being a wide spread disaster, this also crimps his reliance on being a bedroom community for people making good money in NYC. Disasters like this also bring out the worst in capitalism. He'll no doubt go into a 2016 presidential run with a track record of taking a lot of Federal money and butting heads with a lot of "free market" insurance companies. I'm sure they'll be pulling the same stunts in New Jersey as they did in Louisiana, and be all "What storm damage? All we see is flood damage. Claim denied!"
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BiggerBoat posted:It's not reinforcement, it's a lack of independent logic. I'll agree with this, as even the Freepers were supportive of Occupy Wall Street against the financial companies Obama bailed out, until Fox said to hate them. Then they wanted the Army to soak the streets with their blood. These people are proud not to think, and that's the scariest part.
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TwoQuestions posted:These people are proud not to think, and that's the scariest part. The proudly self-applied label of "dittohead" and all that "megadittoes" bullshit pretty much tells the story. All the "Great American" poo poo on Hannity is pretty nauseating too. You, Cheeto-eating morbidly obese angry racist redneck, are a Great American for espousing similar views to my own! No, YOU are the Great American! This speaks to the mentality, I can't believe most people aren't insulted by this, you don't need to actually DO anything brave or noteworthy, just by being in my tribe, you are not only a good, but GREAT American!
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BiggerBoat posted:It was a combination of AM radio dying and having tons of cheap air time available combined with the more open, aggressive, and in your face type of radio that Howard Stern made popular, where you pretty much just say whatever and garner publicity from the FCC and studio censors going after you. Rush had failed several times in radio, and has even collected unemployment benefits on more than one occasion. He's also accepted the help of the ACLU when he had his drug problems. I doubt that he's an idiot. He probably just doesn't understand what's happened to the world and finds Drudge reassuring. I'm sure the logic of "smug liberals and foreigners ruin everything" is way more intuitive to a lifelong financial market servant than blaming things on Wall Street or the Military-Industrial Complex or capitalism in general.
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Zwabu posted:The proudly self-applied label of "dittohead" and all that "megadittoes" bullshit pretty much tells the story. It's basically saying "You're special just for showing up". Of course, conservatives will bitch about this exact same kind of poo poo endlessly when they can blame it on liberals. Tell a kid that he's special and you're a limp-wristed PC mediocrity-enabler. Tell a dittohead that he's patriotic and you too might just love your country!
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You pretty much have to assume that the whole "dittohead" thing is Rush having contempt for his audience. Does anyone know how that deal got started in the first place? People call up every day just to essentially say: "hey I'm an idiot with no real opinions of my own and defer to whatever you say." At some point (if not from the very beginning), Rush had to be thinking exactly that.
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Mercury_Storm posted:You pretty much have to assume that the whole "dittohead" thing is Rush having contempt for his audience. Does anyone know how that deal got started in the first place? People call up every day just to essentially say: "hey I'm an idiot with no real opinions of my own and defer to whatever you say." At some point (if not from the very beginning), Rush had to be thinking exactly that. I've listened to talk radio all over the country and that's how it works. Host: dems are bad because they eat babies. Caller: Hi I just wanna call to tell you that the dems are eating babies and I don't think America should stand for it. Host: THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! thanks for the call. You heard it folks. More dems are eating babies. Megadittos. Is just shorthand for that whole conversation. It really is an echo chamber. People bring up the exact points a host just made presented like it's a new topic. Listen for it.
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Yeah, but I'm wondering where the "dittos", "megadittos", "I'm a proud dittohead" meme got started. I assume that Rush keeps a tight lip about it, but have there been times where its been obvious that he has contempt for these people?
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Mercury_Storm posted:Yeah, but I'm wondering where the "dittos", "megadittos", "I'm a proud dittohead" meme got started. I assume that Rush keeps a tight lip about it, but have there been times where its been obvious that he has contempt for these people? If I recall correctly, people just started saying "dittos" when they called up and it took off from there.
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Mercury_Storm posted:You pretty much have to assume that the whole "dittohead" thing is Rush having contempt for his audience. Does anyone know how that deal got started in the first place? People call up every day just to essentially say: "hey I'm an idiot with no real opinions of my own and defer to whatever you say." At some point (if not from the very beginning), Rush had to be thinking exactly that. Rush's explanation was always that every caller would say the same thing when they got on the line, basically "love the show, first time caller, long time listener etc" and so it got shortened to "ditto" but it is unbelievably obvious that he despises his audience and views the term dittohead as scornful. I mean, poo poo, does Rush even do any meets with listeners? Hannity actually goes out and mixes with the hoi polloi on occasion but I don't think Rush ever makes an appearance where there is a possibility some goof in a nascar shirt might make physical contact with him.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:I mean, poo poo, does Rush even do any meets with listeners? Hannity actually goes out and mixes with the hoi polloi on occasion but I don't think Rush ever makes an appearance where there is a possibility some goof in a nascar shirt might make physical contact with him. I don't think any of the big national guys get out that much. Most of them have just installed studios in their homes, and Beck even travels with private security. It used to be commonplace for syndicated hosts to make the occasional appearance for an affiliate but that's gone by the wayside. I certainly don't have any personal experience to relate it to but my guess is they lead pretty average lives for people in that income bracket. For example this is the place Rush sold in NY when he moved to Florida. http://thevileplutocrat.com/bile/articles/rush_limbaugh_is_a_closet_francophile/
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Mercury_Storm posted:You pretty much have to assume that the whole "dittohead" thing is Rush having contempt for his audience. librul media when they started writing about the show. Some writers claimed that "ditto" meant "I agree unconditionally with everything you say." Rush gave the origin that 800 described and said "OK fine, you're dittoheads, say it proudly."Really, get over this idea that people call into the show and say "ditto" as a way of saying "yes master." Even if they're operating that way on some level, that isn't what "ditto" is about. Rush didn't build his empire on insulting marketing. As for his attitude toward his audience, maybe he still valued them in the 90s when he was still a phenomenon, but after going through the deafness and drug rehab and the "slut" scandal, and not having to commute every day, he has every reason to think that this machine will keep going no matter how much he fucks up. Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 1, 2012 |
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800peepee51doodoo posted:I have a distinct memory of Hannity making a big deal out of all the elbow rubbing he does with all those great americans at his various events but it's been a while since I was in a car long enough to get bored enough for a hate fix. He puts on his Freedom Concerts for charity*, or at least he used to but the few times I've seen him travel it's just hotel-car-radio show-car-Fox show-car-hotel. Until BENGHAZIGATE(!) his show was almost listenable just for the audible desperation factor. Once you get to the point where you admit it's impossible to fact check anything he says without giving yourself an aneurism it's both terrible and fascinating to imagine the world he's trying to sell these people. The flip side to that is why I have so much respect for the tortured souls at places like Media Matters. To go through hour by hour, day after day, noting all the half truths, the complete bullshit, and Akin-style statements has to wear on you. The Great Americanness gazes back. *By charity I of course mean scam, http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6938...6s-for-vannity/
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TheIllestVillain posted:This Debbie Schlussel woman seems like quite a piece of work. She works as hard as she can to be Ann Coulter II, but she's never seemed to get much attention. Howard Stern used to have her as a guest once in a while, which was fun, because she's only worthwhile for being goofed on.
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