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Frosted Flake posted:Jenna Bush seems genuinely awesome, I hope she runs as a Dem though. (Jenna) Bush/ (Mary) Cheney in '16. DOOOO ITTTTT
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Nov 9, 2012 01:32
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factorialite posted:(Jenna) Bush/ (Mary) Cheney in '16. I don't know about the two of them running in 16, but if that ticket ever did materialize with them as Dems it would be the biggest political "No, gently caress You Dad!" of all time.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:33
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Longshot for the GOP, but what about George P. Bush? He is running for statewide office in Texas, but they're unsure for exactly what office. Seems better suited for 2020 or later though.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:35
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sullat posted:As long as Ailes is willing to forgive and forget (he really wanted Christie to run in '012) he won't get any flak from the media machine. His opponents may dredge it up on the fringier sites, but if Fox is backing him, it won't get any traction. This from a couple pages back, but another thing to keep in mind with Christie is that people's opinions of Romney over the next couple years is really going to have an effect on their opinions of him. If Romney goes down as the complete failure and they try to erase him from history a la George W, then he could get some points for being the one who threw him under the bus before it was cool. Of course, either way, the fact that he seemingly supported Obama could be the nail in the coffin, even if Romney gets remembered for giving a valiant effort (he won't.) Brigadier Sockface posted:I doubt there is even a chance of Cuomo, Gilibrand and O'Malley running against each other in a competitive primary. They way I understand it is that they're all close to the Clintons and if Hillary would step aside the Clinton machine Bill and Hillary would anoint one of them. Why vote when you can have the Clintons do it for you? 
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Nov 9, 2012 01:40
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A Winner is Jew posted:I don't know about the two of them running in 16, but if that ticket ever did materialize with them as Dems it would be the biggest political "No, gently caress You Dad!" of all time. I hope they run against Liz Cheney and Santorum's creepy son.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:40
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menino posted:Longshot for the GOP, but what about George P. Bush? He is running for statewide office in Texas, but they're unsure for exactly what office. Oh sure lets vote for a random guy nobody knows who's never done anything for president. I doubt there is even a chance of Cuomo, Gilibrand and O'Malley running against each other in a competitive primary. They way I understand it is that they're all close to the Clintons and if Hillary would step aside the Clinton machine Bill and Hillary would anoint one of them.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:41
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menino posted:Longshot for the GOP, but what about George P. Bush? He is running for statewide office in Texas, but they're unsure for exactly what office. I can't imagine anybody named Bush being elected until at least 2024.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:43
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Oh sure lets vote for a random guy nobody knows who's never done anything for president. Really? Is his experience is dramatically different from Obama's? e: cheetah7071 posted:I can't imagine anybody named Bush being elected until at least 2024. Yeah, probably not.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:45
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I like the idea of Schweitzer. His personality would really help in some areas. I've heard a little chatter about Evan Bayh. I think he's done with politics though, and I'm totally good with that.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:53
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menino posted:Really? Is his experience is dramatically different from Obama's? Yes. Obama held public office before being president. (state legislature for seven years, Illinois senator in 05)
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Nov 9, 2012 01:59
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exquisite tea posted:The idea that running Rubio would somehow win back the hearts and minds of Latino voters is absurd, though I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to assume this. If the RNC platform remains as nativist as it stands currently, then Latinos won't suddenly be fooled into thinking Rubio is fighting for them because he's got a Spanish last name. Additionally, Latinos are not a solitary voting bloc, and most come from a cultural heritage and privilege very different from Cuban-Americans. To think you can run the same bigoted policies out there and cut significantly into the minority vote because it's stamped with a big fat Rubio is cynical, to say the least. And I think it's even more cynical to suggest Latino voters will be fooled.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:00
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menino posted:Really? Is his experience is dramatically different from Obama's? Yes. In 2004 senator-elect Obama was an experienced politician who had won elections before and had a rather excited national following.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:02
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Yes. In 2004 senator-elect Obama was an experienced politician who had won elections before and had a rather excited national following. Even before he was elected, even before his opponent flamed out, people were saying he was going places. Sure, people are saying the same thing about this George P. Bush, Castro, Booker, and more, but as of now it seems like people are just saying that in hopes that it will be true, rather than the other way around.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:16
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cheetah7071 posted:I can't imagine anybody named Bush being elected until at least 2024. No seriously, this. Jeb Bush, George P. Bush, Reggie Bush. Doesn't matter. None of these people are being nominated in 2016.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:19
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exquisite tea posted:The idea that running Rubio would somehow win back the hearts and minds of Latino voters is absurd, though I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to assume this. If the RNC platform remains as nativist as it stands currently, then Latinos won't suddenly be fooled into thinking Rubio is fighting for them because he's got a Spanish last name. Additionally, Latinos are not a solitary voting bloc, and most come from a cultural heritage and privilege very different from Cuban-Americans. To think you can run the same bigoted policies out there and cut significantly into the minority vote because it's stamped with a big fat Rubio is cynical, to say the least. And I think it's even more cynical to suggest Latino voters will be fooled. Also to make note of, Republican secretaries of state would have to cease voter ID laws and other forms of voter suppression. I don't see that as very likely.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:20
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I just remembered that after Gore lost in 2000, the rumored early 2004 front runners were Gray Davis and Roy Barnes. After Bush won in 2000, Hillary and McCain obviously immediately came to mind, but there was also a lot of talk that George Allen would be the guy to watch to keep the Bush coalition together. So, who of the current front runners is going to implode before even getting to the primaries?
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Nov 9, 2012 02:27
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Kim Jong Il posted:I just remembered that after Gore lost in 2000, the rumored early 2004 front runners were Gray Davis and Roy Barnes. After Bush won in 2000, Hillary and McCain obviously immediately came to mind, but there was also a lot of talk that George Allen would be the guy to watch to keep the Bush coalition together. We're keeping our eyes on Chris Christie. 
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Nov 9, 2012 02:30
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Still gonna go on a long shot and say that Paul Ryan is due for some sort of John Edwards fall. The guy just looks too young and clean.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:31
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Brigadier Sockface posted:We're keeping our eyes on Chris Christie. That would be explode.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:33
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:...Deval Patrick thinks George Bush did 9/11... What's the story behind this? I was a lot more involved with Obama's reelection campaign than I ever thought I could be and next time am hoping to get in on the ground floor with the primaries. Deval Patrick was the only person who impressed me and after a rough spat of research looks like he's the kind of guy I can get behind.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:36
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mcmagic posted:He [Christie] will not be able to overcome the ad's with these Obama pictures and quotes from conservatives saying he helped Obama win. When my far right tea party Mom found out Huntsman worked with Obama, she immediately discounted him. She honestly thought he was a spy or something. These types of people are not going to be willing to compromise with socialists bent on destroying the country and forgive Christie for what he did. Never underestimate the crazy.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:44
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Maximo Roboto posted:Still gonna go on a long shot and say that Paul Ryan is due for some sort of John Edwards fall. The guy just looks too young and clean. There's probably something there, but there's no loving way it could be in the same universe as Edwards.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:49
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Punch Drunk Drewsky posted:What's the story behind this? I was a lot more involved with Obama's reelection campaign than I ever thought I could be and next time am hoping to get in on the ground floor with the primaries. Deval Patrick was the only person who impressed me and after a rough spat of research looks like he's the kind of guy I can get behind. It's fiction, all of the things around that are situation where it's quite clear while that person is utterly unelectable, much like the 2012 Republican Primaries. As far as I know, O'Malley doesn't have drug issues and Gillibrand has of clean bill of health physically and mentally. Deval Patrick is not an insane conspiracy theorist. Maximo Roboto posted:Still gonna go on a long shot and say that Paul Ryan is due for some sort of John Edwards fall. The guy just looks too young and clean. I think Paul Ryan is done beyond his congressional seat. Even if he wanted to shift to the Senate, Wisconsin may rebuke him, and his earliest shot to do so is 2018 vs. Baldwin. No other VP pick in recent memory I think has shifted so far into the background - it may be the looming presence of Palin, and Biden being Biden, but i vaguely remember John Edwards and Dick Cheney being visible in 2004. The last thing we heard about Ryan before election day was him forcing himself on a homeless shelter to scrub their clean pots. He may try to run out of egoism, but he's going to go nowhere.
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The SARS Volta posted:If y'all are going to use Biden's age against him, it should be noted that Hillary will be 69 in 2016. I loved him on "The Wire." But seriously, there's been buzz about O'Malley wanting a shot for quite a few years now so I've been paying attention and basically I don't think he's got the goods. He's certainly a handsome man, but he's lacking the gravitas that I still think is an important quality in a presidential contender and he's made few interesting or important things happen in Maryland while at the same time doing some awfully questionable things, including shifting the state's teacher pension obligations to the counties in a bullshit move to make the budget look better. I would love to see Cory Booker be on the ticket as a veep. The guy has some great stories attached to him -- shoveling snow out of the driveways of one of his employees so she could get to work, running into a burning building etc. -- and "Street Fight" makes him look great. Also, he loves money and money loves him so he would be a pretty effective fundraiser, I think.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:57
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:Paul has said he's done, although he will be written in on ballots hundreds of years from now even as people forget who he is. I like the idea of Ron Paul morphing into a title along the lines of Caesar -> Kaiser/Czar/etc, only time will twist it into something like Romple and it'll be what you call any perennial kook with a cultish following. Like, Larouche would also be a Romple. It'll all be like "This presidential selection's Romple is once again repressiventative Smith of C Crane Company, with additional backing by Natural Pride Deflourinated Air". Ah what a glorious future. In the nearer term, I do like the idea of Scweitzer over Clinton and certainly over Cuomo, but I don't see a path to a national profile, unfortunately.
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Nov 9, 2012 03:02
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mcmagic posted:She's the north's Kristen Gilibrand. I have no idea what either of them actually believe in though. They go out of their way to be as unoffensive as possible. Publicly, yes. Klobuchar is kind of infamous in DC for having an extremely high staff turnover. (It isn't because they all just get such great jobs that they can't stay.)
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cda posted:I loved him on "The Wire." I had high hopes for O'Malley but I think he botched his chances in his terrible DNC speech. I personally want Schweitzer - I have immense respect for that man. Any one but Cuomo or any other corporatist Democrat.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Well Obama said first thing he's doing after inauguration is pushing hard for immigration reform. They don't have much time to change their policies. I hope so. If the Democratic party isn't totally stupid they should be smelling demographic blood in the water and itching to nail down the Hispanic vote for a generation. I think Christie is the odds-on favorite for the GOP at this point. I doubt the big money behind the party is going to let the tea party crowd turn the primaries into a shitshow again and let some unelectable clown like Rand Paul or Santorum through. My gut-feeling hunch is that Hillary isn't going to run. The Clintons will try to play kingmaker instead. O'Malley is going to try to run, but I don't think he has "it" enough to stand out in a crowded primary field. And I've been familiar with him since he was on the Baltimore City Council.
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Yoshifan823 posted:That would be explode. The joke is that him imploding (losing a lot of weight quickly) would be a clear signal that he's making a run.
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Nov 9, 2012 04:32
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Nothus posted:I think Christie is the odds-on favorite for the GOP at this point. I doubt the big money behind the party is going to let the tea party crowd turn the primaries into a shitshow again and let some unelectable clown like Rand Paul or Santorum through. Depends. There's plenty of true believers with cash to spare who can fund another Santorum through the primaries. Christie's about the only plausible establishment pick they can push through without having to outspend the loonies 20:1 like they did with Romney, but even still he'd have to lock up a significant cash source just to get the nomination.
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Nov 9, 2012 05:04
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Established and up-and-coming politicians are the obvious place to look for presidential candidates, but it seems like there might be an opportunity for military types to draw bipartisan support in the next cycle - especially if economic and social concerns seem less pressing in four years. Current CIA Director David Petraeus had been discussed during the Republican veepstakes, but are there any others who might be contenders?
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Nov 9, 2012 05:14
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I'd love to see an 80 year old, two term Biden polishing up the Trans Am on the White House lawn, waving merrily to passers by, telling media to get the gently caress off his lawn.
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Nov 9, 2012 05:20
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watt par posted:Depends. There's plenty of true believers with cash to spare who can fund another Santorum through the primaries. Christie's about the only plausible establishment pick they can push through without having to outspend the loonies 20:1 like they did with Romney, but even still he'd have to lock up a significant cash source just to get the nomination. What are the chances that Santorum becomes some Pat Buchanan type character where he's just been so awful for so long that people forget to call him on it every chance they can and thus gains an air of legitimacy?
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Nov 9, 2012 05:24
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Virginia's Governor McDonnell is fairly popular in his own state, and has both economic and social conservative cred. He's also mostly kept himself out of trouble with either side of the news cycle so far. Why isn't he getting more love for 2016?
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Nov 9, 2012 05:28
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BrotherAdso posted:Virginia's Governor McDonnell is fairly popular in his own state, and has both economic and social conservative cred. He's also mostly kept himself out of trouble with either side of the news cycle so far. Why isn't he getting more love for 2016? Last I saw of him he came off as just another incredibly boring white guy. The way the GOP has been running itself, I'm not sure that's gonna work. He needs a gimmick like all the others to distinguish himself.
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The more I think about it, the more I think Rubio has the Republican nomination if he wants it. The reaction I've been hearing to the racial split in the voters by the right seems to really support it. Blacks and other minorities voted for Obama because he's a minority. There's no other way that they see the results other than that. Minorities are racist and the whites who voted for Obama are moochers. To the base Rubio is the perfect choice because they seem to believe wholeheartedly that if they just but a Hispanic on the ticket all the other Hispanics will vote for him. I've heard similar arguments for why Cain would have been a game changer. I could just be hearing a minority view from the Republicans. However every time I've heard them talk about the racial breakdowns of the vote it's astonishing. I'm almost convinced that the reason they don't mention that whites broke 60/40 for Romney because of racism is because it's simply self evident to them.
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BrotherAdso posted:Virginia's Governor McDonnell is fairly popular in his own state, and has both economic and social conservative cred. He's also mostly kept himself out of trouble with either side of the news cycle so far. Why isn't he getting more love for 2016? This is the same guy that loves vaginal probes right? That might taint him, especially if the GOP wants to get away from its huge deficit with women.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:This is the same guy that loves vaginal probes right? That might taint him, especially if the GOP wants to get away from its huge deficit with women. The state legislature proposed that particular atrocity, not him, and he (to his minor credit) saw the backlash and refused to sign it in its original form. He doesn't have a gimmick, but he is a good set up for a gimmicky veep and a way for the Rs to make a play to keep VA from going permanently purplish-blue.
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