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Has anyone heard Levin today? I am not in a place where I can catch it, and I was just wondering if he's hit peak lunatic, even for him. I had this fantasy that if Obama got a second term, he'd pop some brain vessels.
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bloodysabbath posted:Has anyone heard Levin today? I am not in a place where I can catch it, and I was just wondering if he's hit peak lunatic, even for him. I had this fantasy that if Obama got a second term, he'd pop some brain vessels. He's doubling down on the Republicans not being conservative enough. Oh, and women sold us out to liberty hating socialist to get free condoms and birth control pills. And now he's doing a "going galt" rant. After all, only true conservative have jobs and produce anything.
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Nov 8, 2012 00:52
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Tying Obama to Socalism worked great with the Republicans core, which is old people who grew up on cold war propaganda. Younger folks ether have the vaguest memories of it (All I remember of the late 80's was that the Russians were the bad guys and they were from somewhere cold), or weren't even alive at the time the Berlin Wall fell.
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Nov 8, 2012 01:23
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:He's doubling down on the Republicans not being conservative enough. His temper tantrum has basically been a grand version of "Liberals are mean and dishonorable and secret socialists and we True Conservatives need to stop being honorable and fight back". The GOP leadership is too moderate and is selling out the "purists". The part that nearly had me drive off the road laughing was when, to counter those immigrants that want to be welfare mooches and the Democrats who encourage them, the Republicans should go to places like Eastern Europe, Cuba and Venezuela and import immigrants who can be convinced to vote Republican. I am not kidding when I say he actually used the word "import" for this. When I got out of the car he was railing on journalists for viewing the 1st Amendment right to freedom of the press as more important than freedom of religion and so forth, blah blah Benghazi etc. Pretty magical.
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Numlock posted:Tying Obama to Socalism worked great with the Republicans core, which is old people who grew up on cold war propaganda. Wouldn't Barack be the first president a voter born after the Berlin wall could vote for? It's astounding how that event is simultaneously so recent and so long ago. I don't see the grip of the media being broken, simply because it's easier and more comforting to double-down on your false reality than it is to accept you were listening to people who deliberately misled you. Thus we see the constant refrain of election fraud among the true believers, even more so than from the echo-chamber leaders themselves. One of the more insidious tricks lately was to turn legitimate voter suppression (signs, calls and emails telling people to vote on the wrong day) into a joke. I've seen it from people in my social network, and I've seen it in the republican tears thread in screencaps. Where did that start? They didn't all suddenly come up with the same "joke". It'd be interesting to mine that one back to it's origin. Edit: I'm talking about the "To all my democrat frends: Don't forget to vote for obama on november 7th" "joke" that's going around. Harik fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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Numlock posted:Tying Obama to Socalism worked great with the Republicans core, which is old people who grew up on cold war propaganda. Many scoff the idea of waiting until "the old people die off" because it's true that there are always new young conservatives in the wings. But there really is something special about the type of conservatism that comes from Reagan conservatives that leads me to believe things will get better once we see some generational shifts, not only because it will be a younger america in general but also because flat out people that were coming of age in the 80's had their minds broken by far right conservatism and the numerous fiscal successes that followed it. Even liberals from this time constantly talk of government waste and have generally right wing tuned thinking even if they are leftists, it's really crazy. Regardless, this election more than any other republicans became the party of older white males, which is just a terrible long term plan. quote:"The minority groups that carried President Obama to victory by giving him 80% of their votes are on track to become a majority of the nation’s population by 2050," a Pew Research Center Report reads. "They (minorities) currently make up 37% of the population, and they cast a record 28% of the votes in the 2012 presidential election, according to the election exit polls."
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I read the New York Times' excellent endorsement for Obama just now, simply because I hadn't done so already, and it reminded me of something that's also very indicative of right-wing media: anything can be automatically invalidated if it is deemed "liberal". Apparently, if something is liberal, you don't need to argue on facts, statistics, anything. It's just inherently wrong if it presents a liberal viewpoint on the world. I only read the endorsements for Obama in the Washington Post and the Times, and while I thought the Times made a much better case, both were pretty clear that Obama made mistakes in his first term on a number of issues, but that Romney would demonstrably worse in almost every way. But for way too many Americans, "liberal" is synonymous with "wrong". That's why I have such respect for outspoken liberals like Warren and Baldwin, simply because they make no apologies for the way they think, and right wing blowhards have influenced the electorate to the point where it's a small miracle a genuine progressive can get elected in this country.
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Sylphid posted:But for way too many Americans, "liberal" is synonymous with "wrong". That's why I have such respect for outspoken liberals like Warren and Baldwin, simply because they make no apologies for the way they think, and right wing blowhards have influenced the electorate to the point where it's a small miracle a genuine progressive can get elected in this country. This was really clear when defending Nate Silver in the last few weeks. It seemed weird to me that being Liberal did not only invalidate him in the eyes of these people, but actually invalidated any mathematical applications he developed. His data could not be right simply be the virtue of his political affiliation.
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:This was really clear when defending Nate Silver in the last few weeks. It seemed weird to me that being Liberal did not only invalidate him in the eyes of these people, but actually invalidated any mathematical applications he developed. His data could not be right simply be the virtue of his political affiliation. Has he predicted any Republican winners as accurately as he has Democrats?
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 LUNCH ALERT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4ruyoPqcg First he had egg on his face. Now he has "a bit of a mudslide on my face." What will be the next substance on Dick Morris's face?  top comments: quote:I don't trust you anymore, Dick. You made me angry last night. I will never listen to your predictions again! quote:It would have been one thing if Dick had predicted a narrow Romney win, or if he added the caveat that he could be wrong, but he was so sure about the Romney landslide that he promised future videos covering Romney's cabinet members and more. Also, his election coverage suddenly ended when Ohio was called for Obama, which pissed people off. All in all, this will be a bad memory for the GOP for years to come because of the false hope and "oversampling" obsession. Typical Pubbie fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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Tortolia posted:The part that nearly had me drive off the road laughing was when, to counter those immigrants that want to be welfare mooches and the Democrats who encourage them, the Republicans should go to places like Eastern Europe, Cuba and Venezuela and import immigrants who can be convinced to vote Republican. Add this as another example of how this batch of "wait for them to die" has something to it. Many of these pundits drop codewords that only have any real meaning in a Cold War context. And as they do it, it just reinforces the old Cold War mentality and viewpoint in the listeners. To people who are still living the Cold War, it seems totally obvious that people would leave those socialist hellholes, become productive citizens in the US, and then vote Republican so they could keep their hard earned money. The Republican party has withered to being the party of old white male church goers, to the point where diversity is something they need to "import". Then again, these same pundits have been scratching their heads for years about why all the nominally Catholic Hispanics aren't flocking to the rabidly pro-life/family party.
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Nov 8, 2012 11:45
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Scouring my feed and adding to it: now following over 200 aggrieved reactionaries! Including this guy: Let's see what that is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwqsBFleHCU 
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SedanChair posted:Scouring my feed and adding to it: now following over 200 aggrieved reactionaries! Including this guy: Well that guy can be expecting a fun visit from some serious people.
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Nov 8, 2012 14:12
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Many of these pundits drop codewords that only have any real meaning in a Cold War context. And as they do it, it just reinforces the old Cold War mentality and viewpoint in the listeners. To people who are still living the Cold War, it seems totally obvious that people would leave those socialist hellholes, become productive citizens in the US, and then vote Republican so they could keep their hard earned money. I listened to Mark Levin for the first time yesterday (it was awesome -- he sounds like Master Shake and has no desire to be a "good loser"), and he didn't even gently caress around with codewords. He straight up mentioned "the East Bloc" and "the Iron Curtain". I was amazed; this guy might have to be a regular thing I listen to.
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VideoTapir posted:Has he predicted any Republican winners as accurately as he has Democrats? No. He said a Republican was going to win, and the Republican lost
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I gorged on right wing media yesterday, listening to Rush, checking out every right wing site I could think of (Daily Caller, American Spectator, National Review Online, Drudge etc. - couldn't even bring myself to go to Hot Air though). The emerging talking points seem to be: -The Takers are now in the majority, that's why we lost (sort of changing the "47%" to 51% instead) -"It's not your Mom and Dad's traditional (WHITE) America anymore (Dick Morris, Bill O'Reilly and others). They outnumber us now." -Romney lost because he wasn't a True Conservative and didn't get True Conservatives to turn out for him as much as needed. -Romney ran a virtually flawless campaign and did everything he needed to, you goddam True Conservatives hosed us by not turning out for him because My Ideological Purity -Romney had all the mojo and momentum but lost it when he didn't attack Obama on Benghazi, WHY DIDN'T HE DO THAT (this is like a ubiquitous talking point now, I heard it first from Krauthammer on Fox's election coverage but it's everywhere now) I didn't see any ideas or strategies on how to avoid such an outcome aside from a general consensus that nominating drooling rapechat trogolydytes who say embarrassing things should be avoided. You do hear the occasional "well next time maybe we should try picking a TRUE CONSERVATIVE" but I don't think that is being said with much conviction. They may yet talk themselves back into that one especially if they do well in 2014. There is a consensus that Romney was definitely the best available candidate. Virtually no one is seriously arguing that Gingrich or Santorum would have done as well. No one know what to do about the big issue of nonwhite and especially Hispanic voters representing a larger and larger share of voters in each successive election, and voting overwhelmingly for Democrats. There are the usual petulant expressions, "why don't they fall for our token black/Latinos" (Rush), but a lot of people seem to realize that the old canard that "Latinos are Catholic and therefore socially conservative, they SHOULD be conservatives by right" is basically pretty hollow and doesn't hold up to any scrutiny of real world phenomena. I see no admission anywhere that the Sheriff Joe anti-immigration rhetoric in GOP primaries, along with "show us your papers" laws, is pretty drat racist, in a a way that is not subtle at all, and that this must be curbed.
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You forgot the big one of "Romney lost because Obama ran the dirtiest campaign in the history of the world!" Today's additional talking point is scare tactics relating to the UN discussion on arms control. I've been waiting for the Brownshirts, but I guess they got stuck in traffic.
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Nov 8, 2012 15:25
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The one I hear a lot is Romney lost momentum because of Sandy. God must be a secret Muslim too.
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Typical Pubbie posted:The one I hear a lot is Romney lost momentum because of Sandy. God must be a secret Muslim too. Well, he ain't Mormon, thats for sure.
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Typical Pubbie posted:The one I hear a lot is Romney lost momentum because of Sandy. God must be a secret Muslim too. Just point out that the post-storm polls didn't change much from the pre-storm polls. Obama had clenched it by the end of October.
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I think "momentum" as measurable in polling already had returned to Obama before Sandy, possibly as a result of good debate performances after #1, but Sandy still had a big effect in a number of ways. -Ate up most of the news during the last week right up until the weekend. Thus preventing any stories, Romney attacks, Benghazi or whatever, gaining any traction before voting. -Romney had to basically stand down viciously attacking Obama during the immediate storm period else look like a total tool. -Obama could score extra points in his own favor just being President and doing President things with storm relief. With or without Christie's help this would have been a plus for obama. -Correspondingly, there wasn't anything comparable Romney could do, not being the President or even any kind of public servant. Collecting WalMart corn just looked silly and "wannabe". I think Obama had it even before the storm, but I would never say the storm did not have a major impact. It kind of froze out any chance of Romney coming back. It's like your football team is down a touchdown with a few minutes to go and you have the ball, and some ruling causes all the time to go off the clock but the last 5 seconds, and now the other team has the ball too. Game over.
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Just a quick reminder that Bill O'Reilly is still a complete rear end in a top hat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7CulHjij98 edit: Would this election be the first time that the right wing endorsed the candidate who wasn't a christian over the person who is? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Just a quick reminder that Bill O'Reilly is still a complete rear end in a top hat. This is incredible. He really is back to square one: the candidate wasn't conservative enough. The bubble is still intact (Obama is far left, Americans who vote Democrat just want a hand out, blah blah). This must be the twilight of the extreme right. Typical Pubbie fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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Nov 8, 2012 20:46
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Has O'Reilly ever said the word "left" without shoving "far" in before it? "poo poo, I can't remember where I far-left my keys"
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Just heard Ol' Rushy go on a tear about how the GOP didn't get the Hispanic vote because they aren't for more Welfare State programs. He literally said that the problem couldn't possibly be their extreme stances on immigration. NOPE, that just can't be it. Keep digging your party deeper. I enjoy it.
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Monkey Fracas posted:Just heard Ol' Rushy go on a tear about how the GOP didn't get the Hispanic vote because they aren't for more Welfare State programs. He literally said that the problem couldn't possibly be their extreme stances on immigration. NOPE, that just can't be it. Keep digging your party deeper. I enjoy it. I love how the Republican response to their profound asswhooping by every growing minority demographic in the US is to call those demographics stupid, greedy children. They really never want to win a national election again
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I love how the Republican response to their profound asswhooping by every growing minority demographic in the US is to call those demographics stupid, greedy children. I want to feel that way but one thing I've learned is Americans have short memories and are easily led by media narratives. I hope that people don't forget how the rightwing media is openly demonizing Obama voters right now but I don't have a lot of faith we will remember in four years time.
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Does anyone worry that too much ironic exposure to this nonsense is going to slowly make them turn? I found myself slightly worried in the weeks leading up to the election because both sides seemed so absolutely assured they were going to win inside their own echo chambers. I was thinking if Romney ended up winning maybe that would mean I was being brainwashed by the insidious liberal media. All I heard directly before the election was a stream of cultish nonsense, "Don't listen to the exit polls, don't listen to the media, just tune in to me." Is there any sort of historical comparison to this sort of blatant large scale propoganda? Is there a point when it double down on lunacy so many times that people finally start to reject it?
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The 47% video is basically republican governance in a nutshell.
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ClothHat posted:Is there a point when it double down on lunacy so many times that people finally start to reject it? It would seem so. I seem to recall a survey of people who were being asked how effective the GOP was at pushing the whole "You didn't build that" fiasco, and as it turned out, people who just heard the claim and knew it had originated from the GOP tended to disbelieve it. Of course, a similar effect also helped the Romney/Ryan ticket, because there was a group who were asked if they supported the Ryan Medicare voucherization who were just presented what the plan was without any names attached. The group was heavily against the plan, but upon being told that it was Ryan's plan, their feelings for Ryan didn't go down because, as it turned out, they didn't actually believe that Paul Ryan was advocating such a plan. So, yeah, there comes a point where a campaign can pile on the lunacy in their advertising to the point where people begin to disbelieve it. However, if the candidate piles on the lunacy in their policy positions, they can create the same effect in the truthful advertisements of their opponents as people think "That's too absurd, it can't be true."
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I love how the Republican response to their profound asswhooping by every growing minority demographic in the US is to call those demographics stupid, greedy children. They're reacting to being wrong the only way they know how: doubling down. ClothHat posted:Is there any sort of historical comparison to this sort of blatant large scale propoganda? Yes.
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ClothHat posted:All I heard directly before the election was a stream of cultish nonsense, "Don't listen to the exit polls, don't listen to the media, just tune in to me." Is there any sort of historical comparison to this sort of blatant large scale propoganda? Is there a point when it double down on lunacy so many times that people finally start to reject it? Know anything about the 1928 election? That one was particularly vicious. You see the Democrats ran a Catholic New York governor, Al Smith, who was anti-prohibition and quite popular (actually overwhelmingly so) with immigrants, especially non-protestant immigrants and the urban working class. The Republicans had a field day. Protestant pastors across the country had their flock sincerly believing that were he to win he would invite the Pope to DC and turn the White House into a Catholic fortress and would proceed to kill Freedom, Democracy and America. I think I recall even seen ads with actual endorsements from the Ku Klux Klan from that elections. Ofcourse this was in the time where rural devoutly protestant whites still made up a majority of the electorate and he was defeated in a landslide and after that did little else than whine at FDR for doing better than him. Not quite the propaganda you were thinking of, but it is interesting how this story resonates today, where a large portion (in this case a majority) of the electorate were convicned that one of the candidates in the election would literally kill and devour America if he won. Also interesting to note that the continued growth and political importance of the urban worker/non-protestant immigrant demographic became a decisive factor in later elections and a coaltion of sorts between this demographic and southern Democratic strongholds, as well as Republican mismanagement of a financial crisis, was used to secure victory for the Democrats in the next five elections in a row. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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While there are certainly many arguments that can be made for other people in other times being bombarded with equal amounts of or even more propaganda then current North American culture, I don't think anyone can really contest that today's propaganda is much more effective at hiding it's nature and targeting those it will be most effective against. We aren't even able to call most of it propaganda anymore because it's been so interwoven with our entertainment and media industries but the results are the same, if not even more effective.
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Tonight Mark Levin was raging at John Boehner, basically calling him weak and accusing him of capitulating to the Dems by not completely ruling out revenue increases. The gist of this argument was that the GOP leadership is weak and they need to clean house and promote young, extra conservative leadership. I don't know how common that sentiment is going to be, but it seems like with all the blame and finger pointing going around, Republican solidarity might take a hit here. It certainly seems a likely possibility that the GOP takes the wrong conclusions from this election.
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Tortolia posted:It certainly seems a likely possibility that the GOP takes the wrong conclusions from this election. Their talking heads are certainly working overtime trying to beat those incorrect conclusions into their listeners' heads, to be sure.
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Apologies if this has been posted, but holy poo poo have I found me some high-quality crazy from former Ron Paul aide Eric Dondero:quote:Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt. edit: Oh, his interactions in the comments section are too awesome: quote:Cory, then you admit you are a Nazi. You would force us libertarians to participate in your socialist schemes. What, you may ask, is Cory advocating that is so easy to equate with Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot? Why, no less than prosecuting tax evaders! quote:I appreciate the question Eric, but the same reason it's a felony not to pay taxes under the Bush administration, the same should be for a government which may increase taxes by several percentage points to help pay for more public services. If we drive on the roads, and enjoy all of the amenities modern society has to offer, we should feel happy we are paying towards a better cause (so long as its not being squandered by a corrupt government). Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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Majorian posted:Apologies if this has been posted, but holy poo poo have I found me some high-quality crazy from former Ron Paul aide Eric Dondero: Man, I hope these people are in right-to-work states, so their boss can fire them for no cause whatsoever once he/she determines that they're assholes to their coworkers. ARE FREE MURKET! 
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Monkey Fracas posted:Just heard Ol' Rushy go on a tear about how the GOP didn't get the Hispanic vote because they aren't for more Welfare State programs. He literally said that the problem couldn't possibly be their extreme stances on immigration. NOPE, that just can't be it. Keep digging your party deeper. I enjoy it. He does like Cubans though. LIMBAUGH: But isn't it -- Sylvia, isn't there a -- I'll whisper this so nobody else hears, isn't there a racial component to this? The Cubans -- not, you know, I mean -- CALLER: A lot of times, and I'll be very frank and honest with you, knowing all of the markets I know, they're very -- a society that's -- they're very close to their Cuban roots. And I know some of the older-population Cubanos eventually want to go back to Cuba. And they don't want to let it go. LIMBAUGH: But the Republicans get a large part of the Cuban vote, particularly South Florida, already. And it's oriented -- I can't win here, I just can't win. It's oriented -- the reason that the Cubans are not that popular, of the Hispanic divisions you've talked about -- it's a race thing. CALLER: Yes, it is. LIMBAUGH: It's a race thing. They're just not quite dark -- as dark, and they're oriented toward work. CALLER: No, the thing that we -- and I'm going to say "we," collectively -- the thing that we all have in common is Spanish. And that is something that -- we're very proud that we can speak a second language. It's helped me in my career.
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Dudes! posted:LIMBAUGH: It's a race thing. They're just not quite dark -- as dark, and they're oriented toward work. Oh my God. I mean, good. Yes, Rush. Let it all out, man. Let it all come out.
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Typical Pubbie posted:Oh my God. I mean, good. Yes, Rush. Let it all out, man. Let it all come out. Follow Pat Buchanan's example, Rush. Go for broke on the racism. Real America's depending on you!  E: Well gently caress, that's from a satirical site. I claim "Poe's Law" as my defense. 
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