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Xguard86 posted:we do 20 minute rounds somewhat regularly . I've done an hour round during open mat a couple of times. Its actually easier than it seems as long as you stay smart about positioning and energy use. One time at open mat it was just me and a ~300lb judoka for an hour or so. I ended up working a lot of open guard because I was too tired to hold my legs up and close it. 
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We usually start round robin with 3-7m rolls for 8-10 sets and then pair off with someone relatively similar in skill level and just go till we're all dead (usually ~1h). My goal is basically trying to get the cardio benefits of HIIT style training and he postural coordination/energy conservation that comes from sustained grappling. And it's up to the individual whether they want to incorporate throws/standup. I always encourage it but some of our BJJ diehards prefer to face standing opponents with seated guard (and seem to be able to make it work pretty drat well).
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Open guards are really drat cool in general, but I think the seated guard is one of the most amazing things in BJJ. How much of your personal game would you guys say comes from factors outside your conscious choice? When you started "growing up" in BJJ and developing your own game, what was/is the balance between keeping things that jive with your body or from an active, conscious choice of developing your style in a particular direction?
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Cyphoderus posted:Open guards are really drat cool in general, but I think the seated guard is one of the most amazing things in BJJ. In my case it's mostly my body. I'm a relatively small guy (5'8 160-170 pounds) with good coordination who's really flexible in the hips and legs in general so playing guard is something I was instantly "good" at since I could use my legs like extra hands from the get go and never really cared about being stacked (by other newbs). My flexibility is probably what guided my progress the most from then on. That and the fact that I always thought arm bars were cool and badass and guard is my favorite place to hunt for them.
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Pretty much the same as KingColliwog. I spent my first year and a half exploiting being flexible to specialize in keeping people in my guard and working from there (also due to generally being weak and unfit) but then in my first competition I realised that just having a good guard (on that level) doesn't get you the points you need to win matches, so I made a conscious choice to work more and at times almost exclusively on my top game, and it has paid off pretty well.
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Nov 7, 2012 20:15
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Yeah, like above I started out with an average build and a lot of hip flexibility, enjoyed the guard game a bit too much, started branching out and trying to master as many positions as possible, and now I'm a 'positional relativist' and I just worry more about the flow of momentum. I try to design a new flowplan every few weeks and I'll practice that obsessively (even spending lots of off time envisioning myself using it successfully), but when I need a break from that I either mirror my opponent's style or try to challenge myself to play the game they 'want' me to play and still beat them with it. Nowadays I find that my movement patterns change based on the other physical activities I'm doing- lately I've been feeling like I'm doing a lot of 'rock climbing' when I grapple, finding hand&foot holds and climbing or swinging around guys to get to their necks. CivilDisobedience fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 7, 2012 |
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Nov 7, 2012 20:45
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Bohemian Nights posted:Pretty much the same as KingColliwog. I spent my first year and a half exploiting being flexible to specialize in keeping people in my guard and working from there (also due to generally being weak and unfit) but then in my first competition I realised that just having a good guard (on that level) doesn't get you the points you need to win matches, so I made a conscious choice to work more and at times almost exclusively on my top game, and it has paid off pretty well. yep. This is me as well. Crazy flexible guard work is cool but getting top and grinding it out wins matches. I also found I didn't get as sore and beat up working this way. Especially my neck which took quite a pounding in the closed guard triangle days. Its funny you say "rock climbing" civildisobedience because that is the exact analogy I use to describe pressure to white belts in a way that is more useful than "being heavy".
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Nov 7, 2012 20:59
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I don't train ground game at all, just mess around with the mma guys at my new gym, but it's funny how much being flexible helps. P. S. I joined a new gym about a month ago, and am just training now. It's a little bit lower level than my old one, but well-managed and they fight every week at least in good fights. Mma, boxing and thai boxing.
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Guilty posted:I don't train ground game at all, just mess around with the mma guys at my new gym, but it's funny how much being flexible helps. It is until it isn't. Flexibility can lead people down a lot of blind alleys where you kick rear end as a white and blue belt but never get to a higher level. You also put yourself at greater risk of injury by misaligning the body. I guess its the same as using too much speed and strength except less obvious. Not that it isn't handy, but a guy who relies on pretzeling himself into weird positions is making the same mistake as a beefy guy doing the bench press.
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I will say this again. These people need to play the first Hackmaster. It does literally everything they want except the rape stuff. There are detailed, detailed rules for "proteges" who are your stable of spare PCs, and you can carefully balance dividing your xp between your main PC and your protege so you're levelling as fast as possible while maintaining a spare who's one level behind you and a couple more who are a few levels back from that. The game they claim to want d&d to look like already loving exists. Edit: gently caress. Posting from my phone and loving it all up. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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Nov 8, 2012 05:41
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AlphaDog posted:I will say this again. These people need to play the first Hackmaster. It does literally everything they want except the rape stuff. Clearly I'm not training hard enough.
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AlphaDog posted:I will say this again. These people need to play the first Hackmaster. It does literally everything they want except the rape stuff. The rape stuff is why I do bjj so I don't know if I'm going to crosstrain Hackmaster.
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origami posted:The rape stuff is why I do bjj so I don't know if I'm going to crosstrain Hackmaster. Same
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Oh motherfucking gently caress. I posted that from my phone and I had no loving idea why it didn't show up. Nerdy poo poo up in the fightin' thread. I'm sorry.  Edit: If you need any context, read the thread that post was meant for http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3493674 I deserve probation for that. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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No it's hella funny. edit: I'm back (to training). Which probably means I'll just get another flu, sinusitis or weird injury and vanish from martial arts again in no time.
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AlphaDog posted:I will say this again. These people need to play the first Hackmaster. It does literally everything they want except the rape stuff.
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origami posted:The rape stuff is why I do bjj so I don't know if I'm going to crosstrain Hackmaster. I was going to say that wrestling is probably the best base for rape, but Hermes Franca proved otherwise.
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Does anyone have any experience of visiting a dojo/club in a foreign country, especially as an awful newbie? I started doing kyokushin karate in the end of summer, and will be visiting my in-laws in Japan for Christmas and New Years. I usually feel quite isolated (and sometimes a bit bored) when staying in the same house for three weeks, so I thought it might be interesting to visit a local dojo to see what's up. It's a medium sized town, so there's bound to be at least some places to go. My worry is that I'm still just about to graduate our beginner group. We haven't even gotten to real sparring yet, which I understand is usually quite a large part of most kyokushin training schedules. On top of that, when my wife's Japanese friends hear of my new hobby they go "oh, karate, that's nice. Kyokushin?! WTF, that poo poo is nuts!", which is also a bit unnerving as I haven't gotten the same vibe at my club. Even though it is quite obvious how much better shape I am in after three months of this compared to two years of kendo. Would it be better to wait until next time, when I have some more experience? Have you ever bumbled into a completely different club as a beginner, and how did that work? Are random newbies turning up in your gym/dojo?
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lilljonas posted:Does anyone have any experience of visiting a dojo/club in a foreign country, especially as an awful newbie? I've only seen the opposite done in our judo club (people from other country coming here some being low belts, some being higher level) and it never seemed to cause a problem. Just think of it as changing clubs. Just have a talk with the coaches of the place you're looking for in japan and may be sit for a class or two to see if you'd be comfortable joining. I think your decision is going to depend on the specific club you join and how they treat begginers /near begginers.
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Just go punch a bunch of tiny Japanese people dude you'll be fine bow a lot and stuff.
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does anyone follow Enter the Dojo: https://www.youtube.com/user/EnterTheDojoShow?feature=watch It's gotten very popular around our bjj academy and I finally watched it today. loving hilarious
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KingColliwog posted:I've only seen the opposite done in our judo club (people from other country coming here some being low belts, some being higher level) and it never seemed to cause a problem. Just think of it as changing clubs. Cool. I'll look into something close and send them a letter, in worst case they will just ignore me I guess. Israfel posted:
Check, added these to my to-do list.
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Xguard86 posted:does anyone follow Enter the Dojo: Welp, I do now. This is loving gold.
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After the mention of Enter the Dojo I thought I'd throw in something similar from my neck of the woods, if it's not been mentioned before: Barry the Blender: I am fighter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gPoU8TFcE
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I'm now a brown belt w00t, competition sunday, this will be awesome (and scary)
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KingColliwog posted:I'm now a brown belt w00t, competition sunday, this will be awesome (and scary) congrats! we were joking with a guy whose close to brown and competing soon that we heard our instructor would give him a brown belt the day before the comp just to gently caress with him. I haven't competed in like 3 years, and never at purple. I keep wanting to do it but I have a full job and a social life already kind of strained by my training time. WHen I did compete I was in college and could basically pretend I was a pro athlete. I'd like to just show up and do it without cutting weight or giving a poo poo about plastic medals and samurai swordz.
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KingColliwog posted:I'm now a brown belt w00t, competition sunday, this will be awesome (and scary) Congratulations! That is very impressive, awesome!
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Brown belt in judo so nothing that impressive, only 5 or so years of training.
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What's the normal time frame to get to the black belt in Judo? I've only just started making it along regularly, two nights a week. Small classes, two black belts teaching, quite a bit of personal attention from them. I'm not one of those people who treats the belt itself as the goal, I'm just wondering. For BJJ the average is probably 10-12 years at 3 nights a week if you've got a good teacher.
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Xguard86 posted:does anyone follow Enter the Dojo: This is awesome, thanks for sharing.
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So I'm seriously considering checking out a local BJJ (a Gracie) gym because, well, I'm interested in it. My current gym is awesome however it's a straight up Muay Thai gym that doesn't offer any grappling. I might go check it out this week. Conditioning wise it should be about the same just "different" as far as a workout goes? Anything I should expect as someone who only trains Muay Thai right now?
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Xguard86 posted:congrats! You are reminding me of when our instructor would hint to people ahead of time they'd be getting their blue, purple, or whatever. The rest of us would intentionally give him a hard time, like resting in the round before we'd roll with the guy in question just to test him, or a big guy just doing their best to lead blanket him. Good times. Congrats on the brown, King Colliwog. It's sad that commercialised sports have ruined the perceived achievement for non-BJJ people of belt ranks, because that makes you a pretty dedicated and skilled dude.
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I booked a one way ticket to Thailand for January 8.
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Gonna go snag some of that sweet boygirl lovin?
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:What's the normal time frame to get to the black belt in Judo? I've only just started making it along regularly, two nights a week. Small classes, two black belts teaching, quite a bit of personal attention from them. I'm not one of those people who treats the belt itself as the goal, I'm just wondering. For BJJ the average is probably 10-12 years at 3 nights a week if you've got a good teacher. Hard to say and depends on the region where you train. I have been training for 5-6 years at least 2 times a week and trained previously for a year or so once a week in a beginners class which I tend to not count since I could have learned as much in 3 months of "real" training. Now I expect it's gonna take me at least 2 years to get my black belt since I can't make it to all the competitions due to work and other obligations and you're forced to do comps to get your black and anything further. Each time you enter a competition you get free 5 points and winning matches gives points (10 is the basic amount but you can get more if the other guy is of a higher level than you (ie : brown belt beating a black belt). If you're not capable of participating as a competitor, you can always give time (referee or help with the organization) to get some points but that will take longer. If I remember correctly you need to get 120 points before you can make an appointment with the provincial judo association to pass your black belt exam. During that exam, you have to show techniques, do a randori and do the Nage no kata in front of a few people who are not your coach (and will be more than happy to not give you your belt if you're not good enough). All of this acts as a buffer between the moment you get your brown and the moment you get your black belt. If you're a teenager and have time to do each and every competition it can be faster, but as an adult you're looking at a solid year or two of participating in comps and then focusing on technique/kata. I'd say depending on your club it'll be anywhere from 6 to 8 years for an adult to get a black belt in judo if they train 2 to 3 times a week. It's important to note that a black belt in judo doesn't hold the same meaning as a black belt in BJJ. Black belt in judo is supposed to mean "you're not a newb anymore and you can start to learn now". Which in my experience seems to be true. I'm only beginning to feel like I'm not simply flailing around during randori. Xguard86 posted:congrats! Thanks. Yeah I learned like a month ago that I'd get my brown belt and it hosed with my mind. Can't imagine learning it like the day before, that would both suck and be awesome. That's the most amazing thing about getting my black belt, no weight-in! God I'm happy about that one (ironically, I somehow lost weight and would have made my category anyway). I'm gonna eat breakfast and drink water the morning before. This water and food will taste so good. Syphilis Fish posted:Congratulations! That is very impressive, awesome! Thanks a lot. quote:Congrats on the brown, King Colliwog. It's sad that commercialised sports have ruined the perceived achievement for non-BJJ people of belt ranks, because that makes you a pretty dedicated and skilled dude. Well, I just wanted to make the distinction in case people thought this was BJJ since a brown belt is more like a purple BJJ belt in term of time commitment. I guess it's still a big achievement (I mean it's not a TKD black belt  ), but it feels less real when it's you that is getting it. Everything you did to get there just feels "normal" and nothing to be amazed at. Going to training hasn't been a chore, not even once so it feels too easy I guess. But when you look at the amount of time and pain and injuries I had over the years then yeah, it is kind of cool
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Novum posted:Gonna go snag some of that sweet boygirl lovin? no, gonna get some of that 'elbowed in the face' probably also enter the dojo is hilarious gimpsuitjones fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Nov 10, 2012 |
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Forgot my mouthpiece in the first round of sparring, got kneed hard to the face (our sparring ruleset is knees to the body only, but knee went high and I ducked low). Chipped a piece of my molar out  . At least it's not exposing a nerve.Next round, I was distracted by the chipping and got a toe in the eye from not having my hand up enough. Couldn't see straight for the rest of the class. One of my worst sessions ever. I remember thinking when the knee landed -- "man, that was a hard rear end knee, even dazed me a bit." I wonder how you know your chin is going south. I don't think that was in the 90th-percentile of shots I've eaten, but I was definitely stunned a little bit it.
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Rich Franklin would like to inform you that a shot doesn't have to be super hard to put you on your rear end. It might just have been really well placed.
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Israfel posted:So I'm seriously considering checking out a local BJJ (a Gracie) gym because, well, I'm interested in it. My current gym is awesome however it's a straight up Muay Thai gym that doesn't offer any grappling. I might go check it out this week. Conditioning wise it should be about the same just "different" as far as a workout goes? Anything I should expect as someone who only trains Muay Thai right now? I'd imagine you'd be fine. The conditioning they do obviously is gonna depend on the schools but if I had to guess I'd say its more intense at your MT school. Also, personally, I get more gassed sparring than rolling, although when you're brand new in BJJ you tend to exert a lot of unnecessary energy when in bad positions (or at least that was the case with me). Just drilling moves isn't that taxing, which I'm guessing is mainly what you'd be doing starting out anyway. e: disclaimer - I've only been doing this poo poo for about a year so probably anyone else in the thread can answer this better than me Kekekela fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Nov 11, 2012 |
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kimbo305 posted:Forgot my mouthpiece in the first round of sparring, got kneed hard to the face (our sparring ruleset is knees to the body only, but knee went high and I ducked low). Chipped a piece of my molar out What you came here to brag?? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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