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Chief McHeath posted:I've noticed among the people I have on Facebook that engage in this kind of fuckwittery, a great number of them end their sentences with ellipses. Like, every loving sentence. People tend to type like they think, and I've always believed that they're pauses in thought as they think up the next line of batshit crazy to make.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I love the doublethink about the wall between voters. The substitution of commas for sentence breaks also does a great job of conveying the breathlessness of it all. Oh, and the lack of question marks at the end of rhetorical questions gave a little chuckle too. Finally a real WAR ON CHRISTMAS.
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Nov 11, 2012 23:52
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I've seen so much less Benghazi poo poo after the election, it's remarkable. It's almost like they created a scandal in a desperate attempt to win an election....
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Nov 12, 2012 02:53
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sicarius posted:I've seen so much less Benghazi poo poo after the election, it's remarkable. It's almost like they created a scandal in a desperate attempt to win an election.... movax and I have a friend who posted something along the lines of "Maybe we can get the truth of Benghazi now" the very next day. We both called him out on that and a third party leaped in to defend the conspiracy theory. I got the guy to admit he had absolutely no objective proof, only a hunch that something should have leaked. 
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Nov 12, 2012 02:58
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I dunno I had family members explain to me last night that Obama watched people die and chose not to act and when I explained the story and said that someone I knew died they brought up the misquote from vile's mom and then I thought, I love these people and it is so so sad what they've been taught On the plus side my father in law, who I have good natured arguments with all the time, said that their characterizations of Islamic people as 'pyromaniacs that you want to give a match to' were derogatory and made them listen to a brief explanation of why Afghanistan is the way it is and that kind of owned.
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Nov 12, 2012 03:16
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On a related note, it's amazing how much that evil characterization of Islam is ingrained in conservative rhetoric. My wife's family, for example. Her dad's sister and her mom's sister both married into Muslim families--one in Iran and one in Morocco. They both converted, and have large families who are welcomed and loved by everyone in their family. Her dad and his other sister, despite loving all their nieces and nephews and brother-in-laws, still persists with the scare quotes about Sharia Law and Muslim Brotherhood and Obama being a Muslim and Ground Zero Mosque and everything else. They get uncomfortable and quiet whenever someone starts talking about nuking the whole Middle East or Iran in particular, but other than that, they still 100% buy into Islam as this apocalyptic terrorism cult. And they're not even Christian, they're agnostics! They just believe that strongly in Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
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Nov 12, 2012 03:24
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I think people just miss the Nazis and Imperialist Japan. There was a villain you could paint as unambiguously evil and not feel bad (barring of course horrible racial stereotypes of the latter). They want to be able to do the same for the current "enemy of the state".
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Nov 12, 2012 03:37
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Gourd of Taste posted:they brought up the misquote from vile's mom
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Nov 12, 2012 03:55
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The Macaroni posted:Saw this gem on Facebook: 
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Nov 12, 2012 04:03
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Chief McHeath posted:I've noticed among the people I have on Facebook that engage in this kind of fuckwittery, a great number of them end their sentences with ellipses. Like, every loving sentence. That tears it, I'ma taking this to the linguistics A/T thread, along with Capital Letters. My vague impression is that most "wrong" usages of English are either a) things that were totally legit 100yrs ago and are now derided because "hicks" faithfully stick to the old standard, or b) avant-gardey "liberal" linguistic experimentation. My vague impression is that consistent spelling "errors" from a given social group are rarely genuine mistakes.
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Nov 12, 2012 04:19
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The Macaroni posted:Update: she replied, "But FDR was elected for a third term!" Which, uh, was what led to the ratification of the 22nd Amendment, if I recall from high school. He was actually elected 4 times.
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Nov 12, 2012 04:24
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zeroprime posted:Hold up, what the gently caress is this? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/pat-smith-obama-libya_n_1988158.html The blaze and a bunch of other sites are running with this quote about her believing that Obama murdered her son.
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Nov 12, 2012 04:25
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zeroprime posted:Hold up, what the gently caress is this? Oh, you missed out on that fun? Well first the Daily Mail said that she ripped Obama about comments he made on the Daily Show: quote:The mother of an American diplomat killed during a terrorist raid on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi has hit out at Barack Obama for describing the attack as 'not optimal', saying: 'My son is not very optimal - he is also very dead.' When the first came out, just about everyone here said that she's totally entitled to say whatever she wants to about the President, given what the gently caress happened to Vilerat. But anyway it turns out the Daily Mail just basically made that poo poo up: quote:Pat Smith told the Boston Herald she never said the quotes attributed to her by the Daily Mail. But hey, what news organization needs facts when you can lie about what a mother said in reference to her murdered son? 
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Nov 12, 2012 04:27
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:That tears it, I'ma taking this to the linguistics A/T thread, along with Capital Letters. My vague impression is that most "wrong" usages of English are either a) things that were totally legit 100yrs ago and are now derided because "hicks" faithfully stick to the old standard, or b) avant-gardey "liberal" linguistic experimentation. My vague impression is that consistent spelling "errors" from a given social group are rarely genuine mistakes. It could also simply be a case of absorbing the general style of the groups you participate in -- the people who use "wrong" English feed back on each other while assuming that other people know what they're doing, which muddies the waters of what is "right" English. And of course, certain people just won't give a rat's rear end about proper English because they weren't strong in it in school, are out of practice because they aren't required to use proper grammar and conventions in their daily lives, and/or consider it a symbol of rival tribal groups (i.e. intellectual liberals).
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:That tears it, I'ma taking this to the linguistics A/T thread, along with Capital Letters. My vague impression is that most "wrong" usages of English are either a) things that were totally legit 100yrs ago and are now derided because "hicks" faithfully stick to the old standard, or b) avant-gardey "liberal" linguistic experimentation. My vague impression is that consistent spelling "errors" from a given social group are rarely genuine mistakes. My favorite is explaining that not only is "axe"ing a question valid, it's a pronunciation that actually predates the "ask" pronunciation.
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Nov 12, 2012 06:26
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sicarius posted:I've seen so much less Benghazi poo poo after the election, it's remarkable. It's almost like they created a scandal in a desperate attempt to win an election.... I think the latest conspiracy theory that the more loony right-wing types (which would be like the fourth or fifth Benghazi-related conspiracy overall that they've tried to get started  ) were gingerly trying to push was that Petraeus refused to lie for Obama in front of Congress, so then Obama sent his lackeys at the FBI in to blackmail Petraeus, but he is a Real American Hero and resigned rather than face Congress and tell a bunch of wicked lies.  Then it comes out that Petraeus was loving his biographer, who in turn got the whole ball rolling when she started sending threatening emails to another woman Petraeus may have been loving. The second woman then contacted the FBI about the threats, and that's how they discovered the affair. And it happened back in the summer, long before Benghazi even went down. Feel free to quote me if any of your Tea Party pals start using the "Petraeus wouldn't betray his country" theory on you about Benghazi. 
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Nov 12, 2012 06:49
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You'd think the talking point would be "they covered this up until after the election because it would make Obama look bad" more than "covering up Benghazi!!!!!"
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Nov 12, 2012 06:53
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myron cope posted:You'd think the talking point would be "they covered this up until after the election because it would make Obama look bad" more than "covering up Benghazi!!!!!" They can't really even do that, since apparently someone told House Majority Leader Eric Cantor about it back in October. To his credit, he kept mum about it until after the election, but he'd have some very uncomfortable questions to answer from fellow Republicans about it if they tried to push that particular talking point.
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I had this posted on my facebook wall - I think it's from one of Rush Limbaugh's recent shows:quote:Now, Arnold Ahlert's point is we're heading to collapse anyway, just get out of the way. Boehner and McConnell, just let the Democrats have everything they want with no opposition. None. It's headed to collapse anyway, and when it does collapse, nobody can say that the Republicans had anything to do with it. Nobody can say the Republicans obstructed. Nobody can say it's the Republicans' fault because they got out of the way. It's weird because it's like he's advocating accelerationism, but in reverse.
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Axetrain posted:He was actually elected 4 times.
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If we could reform just one thing about American politics, what would have the biggest impact? It would have to be limiting money, no? Publicly financing all elections maybe? Ending winner-take-all voting? Term limits on everything? Getting rid of the senate entirely? Transforming into a parliamentary system (although I guess that one is probably more than just one reform)?
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myron cope posted:If we could reform just one thing about American politics, what would have the biggest impact? It would have to be limiting money, no? Publicly financing all elections maybe? Ending winner-take-all voting? Term limits on everything? Getting rid of the senate entirely? Transforming into a parliamentary system (although I guess that one is probably more than just one reform)? I'd like to get rid of the paranoia, but that ain't happening.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I had this posted on my facebook wall - I think it's from one of Rush Limbaugh's recent shows: quote:completely irrespective of reality or the truth? Well, if there's one state of mind Rush Limbaugh definitely knows about, it's that.
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myron cope posted:If we could reform just one thing about American politics, what would have the biggest impact? It would have to be limiting money, no? Publicly financing all elections maybe? Ending winner-take-all voting? Term limits on everything? Getting rid of the senate entirely? Transforming into a parliamentary system (although I guess that one is probably more than just one reform)? I don't think this would ever happen, but restrictions on the use of outside money for political purposes would do so much good. The public airwaves should be untouchable: no broadcast, cable, or satellite communications. Instead, all candidates with ballot access to 270 electoral votes should be freely given time slots to make their case for election. The details with time slots could be figured out to make sure everyone would have equal access to the electorate. I can't think of a single reason why this hasn't already happened without accusing the powers that be of cynical opportunism. Snipee fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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 My aunt has been posting a lot of crap like this from Dinesh D'Souza's facebook page. She saw 2016 and called it an incredible and terrifying movie that every American needs to see. My dad's response to her posting this recent image: "racist poop". He's very liberal but not particularly tactful. AlliedBiscuit fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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Nov 12, 2012 08:45
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AlliedBiscuit posted:My dad's response to her posting this recent image: "racist poop". He didn't say "poo poo", that's pretty tactful.
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Nov 12, 2012 09:06
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This is one of the worst thing about American politics: information cocoons. If your aunt stopped for two minutes to have a conversation with any Obama supporter or any half-educated liberal, then she would know that the democratic party is nothing remotely like a gathering of 60's terrorists, anti-Israel leftists, liberation theologists, or communist journalists. I mean, this is completely laughable, but when people willingly enclose themselves in echo chambers with the Glenn Beck or Rush types, then they actually loving believe Marxism is upon them. When was the last time you heard a Democrat use the words "liberation theology" seriously? I don't pretend that many liberals don't do the same, but I imagine that most of us have better ideas of Republicans than just strawman fascists or young Earth creationists.
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Snipee posted:This is one of the worst thing about American politics: information cocoons. If your aunt stopped for two minutes to have a conversation with any Obama supporter or any half-educated liberal, then she would know that the democratic party is nothing remotely like a gathering of 60's terrorists, anti-Israel leftists, liberation theologists, or communist journalists. Yeah, she lives in the south and is surrounded by an evangelical echo chamber. Her reaction to my dad's post is great, too. She throws in my cousin's 7 month tour in the Marines as though it validates their opinion. But then again, they never miss an opportunity to talk about that. I mean, he joined the Marines because it made it easier to get into police academy. But no, he actually did it because he's a saint and he's better than you.
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Snipee posted:This is one of the worst thing about American politics: information cocoons. If your aunt stopped for two minutes to have a conversation with any Obama supporter or any half-educated liberal, then she would know that the democratic party is nothing remotely like a gathering of 60's terrorists, anti-Israel leftists, liberation theologists, or communist journalists. I have a feeling that a great many religious leftists are at least influenced by liberation theology, if not actively identifying that way. The really laughable thing is the idea that any radical of any sort would be behind a center-right President like Obama, except insofar as he's better than a Republican probably. Also the fact that treating liberation theology as threatening is basically an admission of hegemonic power and privilege. You should ask your aunt if she can articulate the beliefs and goals of any one of those four people in a specific way, and explain how Obama's Presidency has been in line with those goals.
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XyloJW posted:On a related note, it's amazing how much that evil characterization of Islam is ingrained in conservative rhetoric. It's worth noting that the "Islam is a bad thing" rhetoric is not just a right-wing ideology. I'm an atheist and it's very much part of this side of thing's world view as well. I'm a bit more moderated about it than Hitchens was or Dawkins or Dennett are, but there's a very strong undercurrent of "All religions are pretty awful, but there's really only one that has adherents espousing self-sacrifice for the express purpose of killing others." I don't want to derail the thread entirely, and I know this is something that has that potential, so feel free to PM me about it if you'd like to argue about the evils of religion in general or Islam in particular... I just wanted to be clear about the face that "Islam is bad" is in no way a distinctly conservative or right-wing view, seeing as most atheists are left-wing style folks by nature.
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Hitchens was a neo-con and Dawkins has some pretty drat serious issues about women and imperialism. It's not at all odd to find that they are also islamophobes, which they most definitely are/were. Same goes for that other "new atheism spokesman", Sam Harris. They may be atheists and anti-religion in general, but they are also vicious islamophobes who need to be called out on their racist bullshit. They are vile people.
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I think that what "CHARITY IS TO BE GIVEN NOT TAKEN" boils down to for a lot of these people is that they want people in need to receive aid, but they want that aid to be from charities funded by churches and corporations so that they can point at a donation receipt and say "Look, I did this!" and also so that it can create heroes who are Christians and businessmen rather than politicians. Take Romney, rather than talk about one of the good things he did as a politician (Romneycare), they'd rather talk about what they perceive him to have done as a businessman (JOB CREATOR). I think that the dialogue of a social democracy that takes care of its citizens is just too boring for them compared to a story about a rugged individual who bootstraps himself up and then helps out those who need his help (and who also attend the same church as he does).
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Guilty Spork posted:The thing about D'Souza's anti-Obama screed is that it apparently hinges on Obama being "anti-colonial," as though opposing colonialism, the Western powers' unrelenting trend of greed and genocide, were somehow a bad thing. Also, if Obama is anti-colonial, doesn't that make him the ultimate American?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Watching a president get re-elected, despite four major scandals They really can't differentiate between 'anything black president does, which is cause for impeachment' and 'genuine scandal resulting in major administration figures resigning and/or going to jail'.
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ZobarStyl posted:Can you coax them into elaborating on these major scandals? I tried to remember my right wing alternative history and all I could come up with were Benghazi, Solyndra and Operation Fast and Furious, which even in the world of made up right wing poo poo hardly qualify as 'major'. Some other possibilities: 1 - Keystone XL Pipeline 2 - "Arab Spring"... somehow 3 - BP Oil spill (why didn't Obama nuke it from the start?!) 4 - BP Oil spill (why did Obama shut down all domestic oil drilling and force us to buy all our gas from Iran?!) 5 - HHS Contraceptive Mandate 6 - Stimulus Bill false pork, like Coke Fiend Stimulus Monkeys 7 - Valerie Plame!!! 8 - The Great Apology Tour 2009 9 - GM Takeover Honestly, I have no idea why they limited themselves to only 4 scandals. They define scandal as anything they don't like the sound of when Rush explains it. So there are probably dozens of scandals.
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There was some talk, among freepers at least, that he was handling Sandy worse than Bush handled Katrina. So maybe they're considering that a scandal. Objective evidence says otherwise, but when has that stopped them?
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myron cope posted:There was some talk, among freepers at least, that he was handling Sandy worse than Bush handled Katrina. So maybe they're considering that a scandal. Objective evidence says otherwise, but when has that stopped them? Of course he handled Sandy worse than Katrina, he moved too fast in preparations for the storm! 
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