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Luminous Obscurity posted:So I found a new liveblogger. He's a bit like ManvsHomestuck except less overtly angry and way more pretentious. He loving hates Dave for some reason and he's already complaining about too much time bullshit just from the the kid/troll chatlogs and the package delivery. Back on this for a moment, been reading through it and I just got to the introduction of Vodka Mutini, and the guy instead coins the name "Molotov Cattail" for it. I....I think I kind of like that name, actually.
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I like to think of the Beta kids' session as a tool-assisted speedrun.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:35
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The Lord of Hats posted:This update, more than any other, makes me wish that Sburb was a game I could actually play. Short of the whole Armageddon thing, I mean. Well, the world's gonna end anyway. Sburb's as good a way to go as any.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:37
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Well Manicured Man posted:I like to think of the Beta kids' session as a tool-assisted speedrun. * Uses glitches * Uses death to save time
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Nov 12, 2012 18:38
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Well Manicured Man posted:I like to think of the Beta kids' session as a tool-assisted speedrun. I didn't think Eridan assisted them that much.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:39
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Nov 12, 2012 18:42
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How long did the beta kids' session last again? Wasn't it just a day or two or something?
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Nov 12, 2012 18:44
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All too long, by Dave's reckoning, but yeah about a day or so.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:45
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Gabriel Pope posted:* Uses glitches Also we can't forget the A2 session: *Heavy luck manipulation And Calliope/Caliborn's session: *One player in a multiplayer game *Single level (though I guess the Battlefield would also count as a level) Color Printer fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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Nov 12, 2012 18:45
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Wrist Watch posted:How long did the beta kids' session last again? Wasn't it just a day or two or something? I think it's like 30 hours or so, it's established that Dave's main time loop consisted of replaying the same 24-hour period prior to the Scratch and Dave got in some hours after John did.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:47
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Luminous Obscurity posted:You can basically break the sessions down like this: Can someone explain to me again why Dirk/Jake/Roxy/Jane are the "Alpha" kids? Alpha Trolls were pre-scratch, Beta Trolls were post. So why are the original four human kids the "Beta" kids when they were in the first instance of their universe, and the ones that caused the scratch?
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So am i the only one kinda worried about Dirk. I mean, he's looking pretty drat gray this update. Either he's a robot now or he's dead or Hussie picked the wrong color.  Or Grimdark.
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IUG posted:Can someone explain to me again why Dirk/Jake/Roxy/Jane are the "Alpha" kids? Alpha Trolls were pre-scratch, Beta Trolls were post. So why are the original four human kids the "Beta" kids when they were in the first instance of their universe, and the ones that caused the scratch? The Alpha kids are playing the Sburb Alpha, and the Beta kids were playing the Beta.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:49
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Pretty sure the 'robot legs' are just his shoes going up to his knees, to give his pants that poofy, ninja look.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:51
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Comic posted:Pretty sure the 'robot legs' are just his shoes going up to his knees, to give his pants that poofy, ninja look. Look at his arms in that shot of him with Dirk. They're literally the same shade of gray as his sword, which is kinda ominous?
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Nov 12, 2012 18:52
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Technique posted:Look at his arms in that shot of him with Dirk. They're literally the same shade of gray as his sword, which is kinda ominous? I that's to make the white on his tattoo stand out more, while still messing around with a more limited palette, while also contrasting with Jake's white and the white of Dirk's hair. I say this mostly because robots have been obviously such until now.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:55
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Kazy posted:The Alpha kids are playing the Sburb Alpha, and the Beta kids were playing the Beta.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:57
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Comic posted:I that's to make the white on his tattoo stand out more, while still messing around with a more limited palette, while also contrasting with Jake's white and the white of Dirk's hair. It's not uncommon for Hussie to color kids' bodies various shades of gray for contrast. I suspect the sword thing is simply an art error.
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Nov 12, 2012 18:58
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Those shoes look similar to Sawtooth's as well.
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Nov 12, 2012 19:10
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So is this update the first confirmed sighting of a denizen? I dunno if that was supposed to be a yaldabaoth statue but it looked like it was the real deal to me. It was all bright and glowy.
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Nov 12, 2012 19:15
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Radio Paranoia posted:I saw somebody on Tumblr make this observation: I kind of figured it was a samurai mask, like this:  Just because even besides the katanas and what not, Bro's been compared to samurai before in a way. Like check out this shot from WV: Ascend:  Looks a lot like traditional samurai armour, his shirt looks like the bulky shoulder pads, and his hat, hair and glasses combo look like the helmet with the fancy wingalings sticking out.  Maybe it's just me?
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Nov 12, 2012 19:30
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Nate RFB posted:I think there was a brief period of time when the fandom referred to the trolls in terms of things like "Pre-Scratch Alpha Trolls". But this is something that was never stated in-comic. The only designations I think we've seen in-comic are A1/A2 and B1/B2. In this case however it's easy to think of Alpha/Beta for the kids by what version of the game they're playing as well. This isn't quite true - the "alpha" terminology came up twice in the hashtags in conversations from the first Meenah walkaround (once by Meenah in reference to her group of trolls, once by Rose in reference to the post-scratch kids). So it's at least somewhat canonical. I'm too lazy to grab screenshots, but here's the relevant lines from the XML data files: 05260/levels/openbound/secondRoomDialog.xml: @meenah_creepy:#alpha-troll-reunion-yo MEENAH: gotta get the gang back together 05260/levels/openbound/secondRoomDialog.xml: @rose_talk:#Alpha-players#Teen-guardians#Fun ROSE: We have to rendezvous with our rebooted "ancestors," as it were, and help them win their game.
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FrictionlessEmu posted:This isn't quite true - the "alpha" terminology came up twice in the hashtags in conversations from the first Meenah walkaround (once by Meenah in reference to her group of trolls, once by Rose in reference to the post-scratch kids). So it's at least somewhat canonical. I'm too lazy to grab screenshots, but here's the relevant lines from the XML data files: I think Jane/Jake/Roxy/Dirk's shirts on whatpumpkin are also referred to as the alpha kid's shirts, although that's not really 'in comic'.
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Nov 12, 2012 19:40
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Beta Kids/Trolls are the ones who were introduced first. Easiest way to think about it.
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I think Jake's tattoo is actually Ben Stiller as Sweet Bro? That was my first guess on seeing it anyway. And it's cool/creepy as all gently caress how, since no prototyping was done AT ALL, the imps don't even have flesh 
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Nov 12, 2012 19:56
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YggiDee posted:Does the skipped time have anything to do with the pages Caliborn ripped out? 
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The Alpha/Beta way of describing the two groups is just way too loving confusing. Not only are they not used consistently (trolls go Alpha --> Beta, humans go Beta --> Alpha) but the same terminology is already used to describe the main and doomed timelines. So "Alpha Karkat" could refer to the Karkat of the alpha timeline who's still alive, or Kankri's ancestor from before the scratch (AKA: the Alpha universe.) And that dead god-teir Karkat is a "Beta Karkat" because he's from a beta timeline, but Alpha timeline Karkat is also a Beta Karkat because his group of friends are known as the "Beta trolls."
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SexyBrianPuppet posted:The Alpha/Beta way of describing the two groups is just way too loving confusing. Not only are they not used consistently (trolls go Alpha --> Beta, humans go Beta --> Alpha) but the same terminology is already used to describe the main and doomed timelines. So "Alpha Karkat" could refer to the Karkat of the alpha timeline who's still alive, or Kankri's ancestor from before the scratch (AKA: the Alpha universe.) And that dead god-teir Karkat is a "Beta Karkat" because he's from a beta timeline, but Alpha timeline Karkat is also a Beta Karkat because his group of friends are known as the "Beta trolls." TT: I think the true purpose of this game is to see how many qualifiers we can get to precede the word "self" and still understand what we're talking about.
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SexyBrianPuppet posted:The Alpha/Beta way of describing the two groups is just way too loving confusing. alpha trolls involve ancestors, alpha kids involve guardians as compared to the beta versions of trolls and kids
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SexyBrianPuppet posted:The Alpha/Beta way of describing the two groups is just way too loving confusing. Not only are they not used consistently (trolls go Alpha --> Beta, humans go Beta --> Alpha) but the same terminology is already used to describe the main and doomed timelines. So "Alpha Karkat" could refer to the Karkat of the alpha timeline who's still alive, or Kankri's ancestor from before the scratch (AKA: the Alpha universe.) And that dead god-teir Karkat is a "Beta Karkat" because he's from a beta timeline, but Alpha timeline Karkat is also a Beta Karkat because his group of friends are known as the "Beta trolls." But at the same time, it's kind of the beauty of it. Calling the B2 kids Alpha also implies that they are the actual Alpha timeline. The Beta kids have to travel to them and everything in order to set things right. But seriously I agree it's confusing as all hell and B1/B2 works out well.
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That lildurandal guy who does all those theories that have been linked to recently gets kind of pissy when you call them the Alpha kids. He says that they should be called the Nobles. Because noble gases?
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Comic posted:alpha trolls involve ancestors, alpha kids involve guardians Except the ancestor/guardian distinction is entirely relative since we still don't know which group of trolls were the original genetic forebears (and there's evidence to suggest it's Team Karkat). At the start of Act 6, people started calling referring to Team Jane as the Alpha kids because of Sburb Alpha. Also, the Scratch could be interpreted as creating a new "super-alpha" timeline. Once that term stuck, people started using it to apply to Team Aranea because they occupied the same thematic space of "characters introduced in Act 6 as alternate versions of existing characters". Plus it's intuitive in the sense that Alpha comes before Beta, even if that doesn't mesh with the comic's pre-existing logic. Unfortunately, now that Hussie has solidified this naming convention in the comic, fixing it is as unlikely as getting the US to uniformly adopt the metric system.
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Nephthys posted:That lildurandal guy who does all those theories that have been linked to recently gets kind of pissy when you call them the Alpha kids.
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I like "Nobles" but "dancestors" for the prescratch trolls is just dumb sounding
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I like nobles simply because "Jake English and the Noble Gasses" sounds like a rockabilly band or something.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:You can basically break the sessions down like this: I'm still not certain if this was the case, or if they were actually doing well and Damara had to keep going back and sabotaging things to keep them on the alpha timeline (the one where they fail, scratch, and create the universe they're created in) We're told she did a lot of hopping around time screwing things up, and the other A1 trolls think it's just because she's crazy, but it seems suspiciously like the opposite of Aradia's role in her session to me!
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Gizmotinker posted:Hmm, two men wielding a katana and dual pistols wearing masks. Loadsa grist!
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So they've all made new stuff, they've been there a while, but looking at their planets it looks like none of them have been building up. I guess they don't need to, but somehow it still strikes me as off.
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Rooreelooo posted:So is this update the first confirmed sighting of a denizen? I dunno if that was supposed to be a yaldabaoth statue but it looked like it was the real deal to me. It was all bright and glowy. As far as I know, yep! Also, I wonder what Sawtooth and Squarewave are up to, seeing as they brought 2 houses, one filled with dead bodies, into Skaia.
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SpruceZeus posted:I like "Nobles" but "dancestors" for the prescratch trolls is just dumb sounding It's only dumb sounding until the alpha trolls have a dance-off 
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