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Ursine Asylum posted:Physically, yes. You'll note that the damage done to Annie is purely etheric in nature, although whether one can actually be "killed" etherally is a point that has not yet been addressed. I'm sure that Parley will answer that question for us before too long!
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idonotlikepeas posted:The device killed Jeanne, too. She describes it right here: Actually, I think it proves the contrary: the device did not intend to kill Jeanne. The heart she refers to is her boyfriend, I think. It might have bound her here until she withered away, but it doesn't look like she was hurt by the device. Or she merely lost all will to live after her boyfriend's death, and the "ensnared" part is metaphorical.
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Either way it's clear they chose her for this fate, as they stated in the conversation scheming the plot "It has to be her." I'm in the "they meant to kill the boyfriend and ensnare her body with evil green arrow so that she becomes a being of pure white hot hate to protect the court"
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Nov 12, 2012 20:23
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Huntersoninski posted:Either way it's clear they chose her for this fate, as they stated in the conversation scheming the plot "It has to be her." I'm in the "they meant to kill the boyfriend and ensnare her body with evil green arrow so that she becomes a being of pure white hot hate to protect the court" Yeah, I agree. Both Coyote and Shadow 2 have referred to the Court doing something to the river that made it unpassable. I think we're meant to have come to the conclusion that that something is Jeanne. So it seems odd to guess that the whole angry murder ghost thing was by accident when it seems the only actual positive result of the mess (from the courts point of view).
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Bongo Bill posted:Actually, those do appear to be the clothes she was wearing when that whole incident went down. So now I'm back to being confused. Actually thinking Jones might be some sort of stand in for the idea that humans have been around since the dawn of the planet. Created fully formed and unchanging, "On the sixth day," as interpreted literally.
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Huntersoninski posted:Either way it's clear they chose her for this fate, as they stated in the conversation scheming the plot "It has to be her." I'm in the "they meant to kill the boyfriend and ensnare her body with evil green arrow so that she becomes a being of pure white hot hate to protect the court" Whatever the exact nature of the Court's Super Evil Arrow-Shooting Plan, it seems pretty obvious to me that Jeanne was not intended to come back out of the ravine that night.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:10
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But what made them sure Jeanne wouldn't just climb back up and revenge-murder the whole Court? Diego only made one arrow, and it clearly wasn't meant for her, and I assume it can't be magic, coming from him.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:52
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This was one of the best possible times to return to Gunnerkrigg Court to catch up on the past few weeks of strips. The timing of the flashbacks works well, with no sense of, "Goodness! How slow and self-indulgent!" I'm still curious why a robot would be made out of rocks and be present for the creation of the Earth.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:59
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feetnotes posted:But what made them sure Jeanne wouldn't just climb back up and revenge-murder the whole Court? Diego only made one arrow, and it clearly wasn't meant for her, and I assume it can't be magic, coming from him. There was something for sure off about the arrow though. And it's not like he hasn't designed mechanical things with strange otherworldly properties before - like all the original robots with no discernible power source and a code that can only be represented by a cube and contained in a heart.
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feetnotes posted:But what made them sure Jeanne wouldn't just climb back up and revenge-murder the whole Court? Diego only made one arrow, and it clearly wasn't meant for her, and I assume it can't be magic, coming from him. From Diego, the creator of a race of sentient golems powered by words alone, with no logically operated mechanical parts of any kind? The arrow clearly, explicitly was meant for her. It was meant to make her into what she became. Steadman fired it directly into her heart.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:09
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Battle Pigeon posted:I wonder how Zimmy sees Jones. "Who?"
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Literally Sharks posted:"Who?" Zimmy knows who Jones is, don't be silly
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Jones is a demon. (Panel 4)
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Literally Sharks posted:From Diego, the creator of a race of sentient golems powered by words alone, with no logically operated mechanical parts of any kind? http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=778 It seems odd to me that they would use a magic arrow to kill the green guy to turn her into a rageghost. Like why not use a normal arrow on him and some kind of other ghost-making device on her? Seems strange to target the magic on him and not her.
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WAMPA_STOMPA posted:http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=778 It's magic. It can be an arrow that kills someone and enslaves the soul of the person in love with them. It can work however it wants to because it's a pretend magic arrow. In the context of the story, the kind of magic being performed obviously required a bond between two individuals, and for one to be killed so the other is bound by the spell or whatever. It can do this because it is a pretend arrow in a made up story.
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So the question is, if the arrow is removed and Jeanne moves on, what happens to the Court and the Forest?
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Jones looked like a human before looking like a human was popular. Jones is the first hipster.
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Gnome de plume posted:Jones looked like a human before looking like a human was popular. She was into the earth before it was cool.
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Zemyla posted:So the question is, if the arrow is removed and Jeanne moves on, what happens to the Court and the Forest? They explode in a reaction of mutual annihilation, emitting energy equivalent to 9×10^16 J/kg.
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Nicolae Carpathia posted:She was into the earth before it was cool. 
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Zemyla posted:So the question is, if the arrow is removed and Jeanne moves on, what happens to the Court and the Forest? We've argued about this before on thsio thread, I think. I've always been of the opinion that the story will end in an actual peace between the court and the forest because it just seems too dark for the story to ultimately decide that enslaving Jeanne for all eternity as a being of rage and pain is a necessary evil. But then I kind of think Jeanie just isn't needed any more. She was a land mine made when the political situation was different to what it currently is. But now the court has built a bridge, "on their terms" according to coyote, but they still built it and there is regular immigration and communication between the two sides now so I don't think Jeanne is actually useful any more. Which if anything makes her even more tragic
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Ursine Asylum posted:Physically, yes. You'll note that the damage done to Annie is purely etheric in nature, although whether one can actually be "killed" etherally is a point that has not yet been addressed. Jeanne certainly seems to believe that she can kill Annie and Parley, and I don't see any reason to doubt her, since killing people trying to cross the river is her job. Iceclaw posted:Actually, I think it proves the contrary: the device did not intend to kill Jeanne. The heart she refers to is her boyfriend, I think. It might have bound her here until she withered away, but it doesn't look like she was hurt by the device. Or she merely lost all will to live after her boyfriend's death, and the "ensnared" part is metaphorical. The heart thing is metaphorical, yeah. But I'm fairly sure the body being ensnared by the green light isn't. It trapped her down there and, in doing so, killed her, and then it mutated her spirit into the guardian of the river. It's not clear whether she died from the light draining her life away or from just plain old exposure/dehydration/starvation, but even if it's the latter that's just a detail - the real agent of her death is the device and its light.
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Nov 13, 2012 02:48
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Cat Mattress posted:Jones is a demon. nope, she's a drowned rat
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SpaceViking posted:nope, she's a drowned rat Ahh, it's a metaphor. Jones is a drowned rat, washed up onto a desert island after a storm with no memory of her previous life. The island being Earth, of course, and the storm being the birth of the sun and solar system. Which means, Jones is...an alien! Or even better: an alien robot! (I would say an alien robot from the future, but that's just silly.) Or she was created in the previous supernova that created all the heavier elements in the solar system essential to life as we know it. Crazy stuff can happen in a supernova.
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Well, I guess that's her stating what she knows as fact. She cannot break at all, and isn't exactly like a rock.
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pik_d posted:
Seriously. Mort's gonna have to put in some over(fun)time.
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...I'm not entirely sure I believe her when she says she has no wants, though. Why would she be in a sort of "relationship" with Jimmy Jims if she truly had no feelings or didn't want to be? Is she only trying to just fit in?
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If she has no desires, why concern herself with the goings-on of humanity at all? Even from an academic standpoint, even out of pure dispassionate intellectual interest, the most pessimistic answer to her choices still says there's more to her than she's willing to ascribe to herself simply by virtue of her having made them.
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Violen posted:If she has no desires, why concern herself with the goings-on of humanity at all? Even from an academic standpoint, even out of pure dispassionate intellectual interest, the most pessimistic answer to her choices still says there's more to her than she's willing to ascribe to herself simply by virtue of her having made them.
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Dr. Manhattan lied to himself about having emotions too. What if she's this universes version of him?
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IronClaymore posted:Or she was created in the previous supernova that created all the heavier elements in the solar system essential to life as we know it. Crazy stuff can happen in a supernova. Jones is a single atom of Jonesium.
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Cat Mattress posted:Jones is a single atom of Jonesium. The end of the comic will involve every planet's Jones recombining to fight the ascended Coyote final boss. e: Dr. Disaster looks on proudly, as a single tear rolls down his cheek.
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Nov 14, 2012 11:19
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Jones defies classification and has been around forever. Jones is Jones.
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Jones is the hardest subtance known to man. She is well 'ard.
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