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It's assumed 40k knowledge. He's the Primarch of the Alpha Legion (probably. Sometimes.).
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MisterFuzzles posted:Going to spoiler this in case someone hasnt read Eisenhorn (Cant imagine who if you are reading this thread but hey) Like Neph said, all Alpha Legion marines identify themselves as that. They are one of the Traitor marine chapters. The whole point was to show just how far Eisenhorn has fallen and just what he will use/ally with etc "For the good of the Imperium". Because having a Daemonhost in his thrall just isn't enough. Okay, thanks. So it's not like I'm just forgetting somebody from the three Eisenhorn books. This is something new he's been up to.
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Nov 15, 2012 03:24
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McCoy Pauley posted:Okay, thanks. So it's not like I'm just forgetting somebody from the three Eisenhorn books. This is something new he's been up to. Those guys are fun! Read up on their fluff, and you'll understand why it makes perfect sense that Eisenhorn has been palling around with them.
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Nov 15, 2012 04:57
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Hello guys. I've been out of touch with Black Library stuff for a while, and I'm craving some good 40k fiction. I've already got most of the great stuff, but I don't know anything about recent releases - my latest purchase was Prospero Burns. Any recommendations? As an aside; how good are the Matthias Thulman books? I read Brunner the Bounty Hunter, and it had plenty of references to classic westerns, and the short story format was quite enjoyable.
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Nov 15, 2012 06:15
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About halfway through Pariah now and whilst I am enjoying all the usual Dan Abnett thrills I'm still itching for some reference to the whole Ravenor/Eisenhorn thing. I'm also struggling to picture the place in the timeline it is set in as I don't remember any reference to Queen Mab etc in the earlier trilogies. I love the Curst and Warblind ideas though.
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Nov 15, 2012 09:59
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Emnity posted:About halfway through Pariah now and whilst I am enjoying all the usual Dan Abnett thrills I'm still itching for some reference to the whole Ravenor/Eisenhorn thing. I'm also struggling to picture the place in the timeline it is set in as I don't remember any reference to Queen Mab etc in the earlier trilogies. The timeline of the planet is not important, and has nothing to do with Eisenhorn and Ravenor. You will soon encounter some obvious links with the older books!
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Nov 15, 2012 10:16
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Emnity posted:I don't remember any reference to Queen Mab etc in the earlier trilogies. One of the best parts of writing 40k must be the ability to pull anything you want out of your rear end any time, and still have it be canon 
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Nov 15, 2012 14:31
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Azran posted:Hello guys. I've been out of touch with Black Library stuff for a while, and I'm craving some good 40k fiction. last HH book I bought was Know No Fear, which kicked rear end, so there's that. I'm planning on picking up either The Emperors Gift or starting the Night Lords series next.
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Nov 15, 2012 15:01
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Toad Tunnel posted:last HH book I bought was Know No Fear, which kicked rear end, so there's that. I'm planning on picking up either The Emperors Gift or starting the Night Lords series next. Night Lords, the entire series is loving awesome.
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Nov 15, 2012 18:38
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Emnity posted:About halfway through Pariah now and whilst I am enjoying all the usual Dan Abnett thrills I'm still itching for some reference to the whole Ravenor/Eisenhorn thing. I'm also struggling to picture the place in the timeline it is set in as I don't remember any reference to Queen Mab etc in the earlier trilogies. It is set well before the Tyranids show up, if that helps (shot in the dark M38?). Gaunt refers to Ravenor's book "Spheres of Longing" at least once.
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Nov 15, 2012 18:56
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IIRC the Eisenhorn series takes place shortly after the Gothic War, so it's early (200-300) M41. Gaunt's Ghost takes place around the Sabbat Worlds Crusade some 500 years later. The Tyranids first showed up around this time, too.
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Nov 15, 2012 19:17
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Nephilm posted:IIRC the Eisenhorn series takes place shortly after the Gothic War, so it's early (200-300) M41. Gaunt's Ghost takes place around the Sabbat Worlds Crusade some 500 years later. The Tyranids first showed up around this time, too. hence why in Ravenor Rogue they encounter Tyranids during a cross-time-dimensional-universe warp trip thingy Ravenor and his crew are all 'wtf mate'.
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Nov 15, 2012 20:47
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Aemos mentions Tyranids in one of the Eisenhorn books but that's probably an oversight.
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Nov 16, 2012 00:16
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Azran posted:Hello guys. I've been out of touch with Black Library stuff for a while, and I'm craving some good 40k fiction.
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Nov 16, 2012 00:28
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Alright, thanks for the answers! I will be getting Know no Fear and the Night Lords books. 
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Nov 16, 2012 01:31
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I remember my brother telling me a while back when he first sold me on the WH40K universe that Imperial Navy ships are so large that there can be wars between levels and whole generations of crew will live their whole lives on ship with no chance of shore leave. Are there any books or short stories that deal with this? Or is this fluff straight from a table top game?
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Nov 16, 2012 02:53
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I remember my brother telling me a while back when he first sold me on the WH40K universe that Imperial Navy ships are so large that there can be wars between levels and whole generations of crew will live their whole lives on ship with no chance of shore leave. Are there any books or short stories that deal with this? Or is this fluff straight from a table top game? I've heard about the second thing (whole generations living inside a ship without ever knowing the outside world), and I think it was in a Horus Heresy novel. But considering the scale of Warhammer 40k, it's a "Sure, why not". By the way, I was browsing the BL website and saw Pariah. "Huh, Dan Abnett. Maybe it will be a good rea- Wait, wait. EISENHORN AND RAVENOR?"  What's the deal with that book? And has ADB said anything about how long the Night Lord series is going to be? I see three books available, and I don't know if I should wait for an Omnibus, or if more books are planned.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:13
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I remember my brother telling me a while back when he first sold me on the WH40K universe that Imperial Navy ships are so large that there can be wars between levels and whole generations of crew will live their whole lives on ship with no chance of shore leave. Are there any books or short stories that deal with this? Or is this fluff straight from a table top game? I read that in some old codex, too. But people live hundreds of years in 40k, assuming they don't get grimdark'd to death. Even in the Horus Heresy books I have read, all the crew are from some planet. Imperial Guard are recruited from home planets, too. Assuming they survive the campaign/ term of service, they get dumped back out into civillian life (however unlikely). That's how every author I've read treats it anyway.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:26
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No. Important people get to live hundreds of years; Joe Imperial without access to rejuvenat treatments gets as many years as his physiology will hold in whatever environment he lives in, from a relatively easy 60-70 in a verdant agriworld, to being lucky if he makes it past 40 as an underhive labourer. As for ship crews, nominally enlisted personnel get what you'd expect in terms of tours of duty and shore leaves, but the slave labour that's the engine gangs are either born on board or literally corralled from the lower classes of whatever suitable pits top the ship finds and pressed into work to replenish numbers lost by combat/natural attrition. This is the norm for Imperial Navy vessels, but you'll get exceptions like Astartes vessels that are crewed almost solely by chapter serfs and Mechanicum in which even the most menial of menials (that's not a servitor) is part of the priesthood. As for books dealing specifically with the life of one of these nameless many, nope. They're a background detail in books that include a significant description of life on a WH40k ship above a certain size, but little more.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:39
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There's a short story in an old Citadel Journal or Inferno! I have lying around somewhere that actually goes into some detail about one pressganged dude's time on a ship, he works out how many people there are on the ship by counting his gun crew and some other ship knowledge. It's so old a story that there's an Electro-priest in it.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:42
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ADB said on his facebook page that he was going to revisit Helsreach. I support this decision.
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I remember my brother telling me a while back when he first sold me on the WH40K universe that Imperial Navy ships are so large that there can be wars between levels and whole generations of crew will live their whole lives on ship with no chance of shore leave. Are there any books or short stories that deal with this? Or is this fluff straight from a table top game? There are two pretty good novels that deal mainly with the Imperial Navy: Battlefleet Gothic - Execution Hour and Battlefleet Gothic - Shadow Point (both by Gordon Rennie). I remember Shadow Point focusing a good amount on the societal structure that develops on a Navy ship.
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Thewittyname posted:There are two pretty good novels that deal mainly with the Imperial Navy: Battlefleet Gothic - Execution Hour and Battlefleet Gothic - Shadow Point (both by Gordon Rennie). I remember Shadow Point focusing a good amount on the societal structure that develops on a Navy ship. This sounds perfect. And with the added bonus of being able to read some into a Black Crusade. Thanks for the answers all!
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Nov 16, 2012 05:40
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Arquinsiel posted:There's a short story in an old Citadel Journal or Inferno! I have lying around somewhere that actually goes into some detail about one pressganged dude's time on a ship, he works out how many people there are on the ship by counting his gun crew and some other ship knowledge. Though it's hinted that he might not be an electro-priest. "Remember, lads, there ain't no words for every void-born thing..."
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True, he could always be something else. The description fitted it pretty well though, and that was a response to him being asked if he was a psyker.
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Nov 16, 2012 12:54
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Arquinsiel posted:There's a short story in an old Citadel Journal or Inferno! I have lying around somewhere that actually goes into some detail about one pressganged dude's time on a ship, he works out how many people there are on the ship by counting his gun crew and some other ship knowledge. That story also has an arco-flagellant in too IRC
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Azran posted:As an aside; how good are the Matthias Thulman books? I read Brunner the Bounty Hunter, and it had plenty of references to classic westerns, and the short story format was quite enjoyable.
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I remember my brother telling me a while back when he first sold me on the WH40K universe that Imperial Navy ships are so large that there can be wars between levels and whole generations of crew will live their whole lives on ship with no chance of shore leave. Are there any books or short stories that deal with this? Or is this fluff straight from a table top game? You can read some cool ship based books called Execution Hour & Shadow Point. Execution Hour is one of my favorite 40k books.
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Speaking of Fantasy, what's the friendliest book/story to get myself acquainted? I have the compiled Hammer and Bolter Vol 1 and have read a Gotrek and Felix story (A Place of Quiet Assembly), which was okay, and then I tackled some novella about a knight but put it down because it was a little too dry for me. I've been recommended Malus Darkblade, but I'm generally not a fan of pasty thin antiheroes with evil swords.
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I'm pretty sure the first three Horus Heresy books were awesome, why the hate?
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Has anyone checked out the HH: Betrayal book from Forge World yet? Looks impressive, though I'm interested in knowing if its filled with FW's characteristic brain-fart typos and grammatical weirdness.
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Schneider Heim posted:Speaking of Fantasy, what's the friendliest book/story to get myself acquainted? I have the compiled Hammer and Bolter Vol 1 and have read a Gotrek and Felix story (A Place of Quiet Assembly), which was okay, and then I tackled some novella about a knight but put it down because it was a little too dry for me. Zavant is a good one. It's basically a Fantasy Sherlock Holmes novel with a Halfling Watson. The "Mathias Thulmann, Witch Hunter" and "Brunner the Bounty Hunter" series are good as well. Both are by CL Werner, and he's one of the better BL Fantasy writers. The "Gotrek and Felix" series is good for less grimdark fantasy. The "Thanquol and Boneripper" series are based on characters from G&F, but I haven't read those books yet (though they're written by CL Werner, so I'm sure they will be good.) I've heard good things about the "Time of Legends: Nagash" series, but can't vouch for them personally (again, haven't read them yet.) Warhammer Fantasy is a tough genre as it doesn't have a whole lot to set it apart from other generic fantasy settings. Many of the books feel like they are just transplanted into the Warhammer world. Honestly, with WH Fantasy, much is going to come down to personal preference and the author. Give the books I recommended a try though - I think they're safe bets. By the way, here is a pretty cohesive list of the WH Fantasy books and one for 40K. These might be useful for people looking to track down titles they've missed or to investigate some series they haven't read.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Zavant is a good one. It's basically a Fantasy Sherlock Holmes novel with a Halfling Watson.
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Looks like the Black Library have been reprinting Deff Skwadron (comic) since June 2012. If you still haven't read it, this is a good way to pick it up without paying hundreds of dollars for a physical copy. You'll have to go to their site though, Amazon has the old version and the ridiculous prices.
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Nov 18, 2012 17:44
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Homemaster posted:I'm pretty sure the first three Horus Heresy books were awesome, why the hate? I don't know, I liked 'em.
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Nov 18, 2012 21:59
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The Genevive books are pretty awesome oldschool Fantasy, as are all the Gotrek and Felix books until Giantslayer (which is... weird. And has the Webway....).
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Nov 19, 2012 02:05
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The first three HH books are good, in my opinion. My main complaint is how Dan Abnett just blows the other two writers out of the water - I felt some characters became too one-dimensional in the second and third book - (character spoiler) Erebus, particularly.
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The first HH book is fantastic. I really liked the scene where it humanises Horus when he sits down and tells Loken one of the best kept secrets in the galaxy to help him cope with seeing a demon posses one of his men and kill Astartes.
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Arquinsiel posted:The Genevive books are pretty awesome oldschool Fantasy, as are all the Gotrek and Felix books until Giantslayer (which is... weird. And has the Webway....). Wait a minute..... Wouldnt that mean that Warhammer Fantasy and 40k exist in the same universe? 
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