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I kind of miss all the old lovely MechWarrior/Battletech books. Only because every author described combat in the exact same way. I got a thing for giant walking weapons platforms though.
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Saint Darwin posted:OK yo hold up, we're poo poo talking fantasy I guess, but Heinlein wrote some fantasy-type stuff as well. Just saying not all fantasy authors are pedophiles or weirdos. 
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Saint Darwin posted:OK yo hold up, we're poo poo talking fantasy I guess, but Heinlein wrote some fantasy-type stuff as well. Just saying not all fantasy authors are pedophiles or weirdos. are you saying heinlein wasn't weird?
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Nov 16, 2012 19:31
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heinlein was a self inserting clowntard
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Cold on a Cob posted:are you saying heinlein wasn't weird? No the dude was weird as poo poo but he was no grrm who was just painfully weird. apparently I missed anything akward he wrote about sex or it was so awkward I blocked it out of my mind.
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Nov 16, 2012 19:33
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oh god saint darwin is posting in yospos its loving over shut it all down salt the servers
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Nov 17, 2012 02:21
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Saint Darwin posted:No the dude was weird as poo poo but he was no grrm who was just painfully weird. heinlein is an order of magnitude creepier than grrm. read farnham's freehold
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Nov 17, 2012 02:29
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heinlein's self insert older man who is the smartest and the best at everything has a conversation with his teenage daughter (who is really hot, just sayin') about how it's logical and right to carry on an incestual relationship, and that it's natural to be sexually attracted to your daughter/father the girl smiles and admits that yes, she's wanted to gently caress her dad all along, she just wasn't ready to admit it. yeah. heinlein.
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Nov 17, 2012 02:32
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Amethyst posted:heinlein's self insert older man who is the smartest and the best at everything has a conversation with his teenage daughter (who is really hot, just sayin') about how it's logical and right to carry on an incestual relationship, and that it's natural to be sexually attracted to your daughter/father his mary sue in time enough for love literally goes back in time and fucks his mom, who then fantasizes about getting dp-ed by her husband and her son from the future. can't remember if that's before or after he knocks up his twin redhead daughters, though if his writings are any indication he also had a huge preggo fetish yet never had any children. wonder why
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Nov 17, 2012 03:02
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why are drat near almost all fantasy and sci fi authors such broken humans? i'm glad we don't reward them with riches because some of them would probably make howard hughes look pedestrian
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Nov 17, 2012 03:27
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Cold on a Cob posted:why are drat near almost all fantasy and sci fi authors such broken humans? the crazier sci-fi poo poo requires a huge detachment from reality, and all fantasy requires an even bigger detachment look at near-future sci-fi author william gibson who is pretty much shockingly normal; cory doctorow is pretty much normal for a nerd culture sperg and his books aren't that out there either
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Nov 17, 2012 04:10
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yeah but isn't ursula le guin pretty normal? it's no loving wonder margaret atwood refuses to acknowledge she writes science fic-*cough* excuse me, speculative fiction are neil gaiman and iain m. banks ok humans? 
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Cold on a Cob posted:yeah but isn't ursula le guin pretty normal? iain m. banks seems pretty normal if a bit scottish http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20181130
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Nov 17, 2012 04:28
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Asimov was a super smart cool dude and I won't hear word against him
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as a low grade weirdo myself, i'm ok with weirdos and even slightly perverted weirdos but way to many dudes like grrm and piers anthony in the biz it's not exactly helping make the case for genre fiction being ~*~serious art~*~ or whatever (not that i care i guess) current book status: almost done 'on the beach', honestly i'm not loving it and even for a novel from the late fifties it is amazingly regressive in some ways. i mean it's nice to have an apocalypse without going all mad max thunderdome cannibal rapefest for once but everyone is just so staid and boring in this novel, it's not realistic at all. the author's idea of people going mad in the face of certain death is drinking more, being in denial, and racing cars more dangerously than usual. also they stop doing their jobs toward the end omg!! maybe it's because the author was both an older british guy and ex-navy when he wrote it?
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Nov 17, 2012 04:58
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Cold on a Cob posted:yeah but isn't ursula le guin pretty normal? neil gaiman is like an Über writer all marrying amanda palmer like that  and he writes weird sex scenes that make you think* *not about pedo-incest shist
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Nov 17, 2012 08:01
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syscall girl posted:neil gaiman is like an Über writer ns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMgfRThylhU
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Nov 17, 2012 08:24
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Cold on a Cob posted:it's no loving wonder margaret atwood refuses to acknowledge she writes science fic-*cough* excuse me, speculative fiction eh, part of it is because science fiction implies genre fiction with some common tropes so if you're capital-L Literature you get moved to a special genre for the critically accepted. the relationship between magic realism and fantasy is kind of similar. i mean a lot of it is lit snobbery, but i think some of it is borne out of the fact that a lot of sci-fi, even the stuff that's actually got depth, tends to be lacking in the quality of prose department.
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Nov 17, 2012 08:43
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ten dollar bitcoin posted:i have no butt but i must fart also: the abundance of creepy manchildren in genre fiction makes me despair. Reading Game of Thrones atm and it's trashy/creepy and painfully light on the palate
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Nov 17, 2012 11:50
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current book status: finished 'on the beach' at the gym this morning ending was super sad and i cared enough about the characters to be bummed out that everyone was dying. it's not a trashy, bad book but it's definitely limited by it's narrow focus on some well-off white brits and military types. it's worth a read but don't go in expecting 'the road' or anything. next sci fi book, i think i'll check out something by ursula le guin. i've only ever read 'the left hand of darkness' and it was way over my head at the time as i read it as a child but goddamn if i don't need to read some good, engaging novels first i'm reading a non-fiction book though so we'll see how i feel when i'm done this book
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Nov 17, 2012 16:45
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finished neuromancer maybe i'd stretched reading it out too far (bus book) but i was just kinda bored with it
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Nov 17, 2012 17:22
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sticky wizard posted:finished neuromancer it may be that or the same problem people who watch Aliens today for the first time face: it was so influential that you've seen everything that was fresh and impressive about it back in the day a million times before
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Nov 17, 2012 17:25
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gooby on rails posted:it may be that or the same problem people who watch Aliens today for the first time face: it was so influential that you've seen everything that was fresh and impressive about it back in the day a million times before ya basically, i was gonna try articulating that but i havent had my coffee yet
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Nov 17, 2012 17:26
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gooby on rails posted:it may be that or the same problem people who watch Aliens today for the first time face: it was so influential that you've seen everything that was fresh and impressive about it back in the day a million times before yep this is why i honestly won't recommend some of the things i loved as a childe anymore, because even if they aged well, they look kinda cliched sometimes like, i'm a huge fan of the old romero zombie films but if someone who's never seen a zombie film asks me what they should watch i'll usually just recommend 28 Days Later. if they love the genre and want more then give them the romero films, shaun of the dead, etc
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Cold on a Cob posted:like, i'm a huge fan of the old romero zombie films but if someone who's never seen a zombie film asks me what they should watch i'll usually just recommend 28 Days Later. if they love the genre and want more then give them the romero films, shaun of the dead, etc 
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Nov 17, 2012 17:32
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sticky wizard posted:finished neuromancer it starts really good but then when you get to space rastas, little girls, and ninjas the whole thing unravels
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Nov 17, 2012 17:33
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z0r rowe posted:it starts really good but then when you get to space rastas, little girls, and ninjas the whole thing unravels agreed but i don't remember any little girls? you don't mean molly do you? i read it like 20 years ago though so...
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Nov 17, 2012 17:37
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no the daughter of the thing that the ninja protects... she's old or something but is a little girl in form
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3jane maybe? I always imagined she was in her 20s or at worst a teenager
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z0r rowe posted:no the daughter of the thing that the ninja protects... she's old or something but is a little girl in form oh, right forgot about that. they don't really dwell on it or do anything creepy with that little plot device do they? i'm assuming no because i tend to get really upset with writers that do creepy poo poo like that so i'd prob remember i can excuse the ninjas because it was the early 80s and gibson was required by international law to include a ninja character
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gooby on rails posted:3jane maybe? I always imagined she was in her 20s or at worst a teenager yeah 3jane
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gooby on rails posted:it may be that or the same problem people who watch Aliens today for the first time face: it was so influential that you've seen everything that was fresh and impressive about it back in the day a million times before i had that problem reading "a princess of mars" part of it is that we know a lot more about writing sci-fi now than burroughs did so it's not entirely his fault that the book isn't as engaging as it could be, just like cars a hundred years ago sucked too
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sticky wizard posted:finished neuromancer I think new Gibson is better than old Gibson even if I like nearly all his books. skip that steampunk one for reals. Pattern Recognition owns owns owns.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i had that problem reading "a princess of mars" the worst part of burroughs for me was simply his dated writing style
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 also goons gettin old in this thread, now we know how our parents felt when we watched movies/shows and they were all 'hohum this is the same as the crap in the 70s'
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mjs6643 posted:i mean a lot of it is lit snobbery, but i think some of it is borne out of the fact that a lot of sci-fi, even the stuff that's actually got depth, tends to be lacking in the quality of prose department. every art form and genre has a good amount of stuff that is really bad, I don't see it as unique to scifi. i think that most of the reason people don't want to be labeled as scifi or admit to reading it or talk crap about it is because its still relatively new and the giants in the genre are either still alive or have only died pretty recently.
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z0r rowe posted:the worst part of burroughs for me was simply his dated writing style
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Saint Darwin posted:every art form and genre has a good amount of stuff that is really bad, I don't see it as unique to scifi. i think that most of the reason people don't want to be labeled as scifi or admit to reading it or talk crap about it is because its still relatively new and the giants in the genre are either still alive or have only died pretty recently. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Nov 17, 2012 |
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sticky wizard posted:finished neuromancer gooby on rails posted:it may be that or the same problem people who watch Aliens today for the first time face: it was so influential that you've seen everything that was fresh and impressive about it back in the day a million times before likely this. it's also the sort of book that works best if read in two sessions, maybe three if you want to take your time.
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